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Post by osang on Nov 19, 2017 9:57:26 GMT -5
and the spin I get is only 50 keys less. Pixonic you suck!
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Post by amidf on Nov 19, 2017 10:10:41 GMT -5
and the spin I get is only 50 keys less. Pixonic you suck! With the longer BM duration I get one gold spin per month. I prepare myself all month for disappointment. I might just stop looking at it altogether and take whatever I get along with my monthly league bonus. |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 19, 2017 10:51:40 GMT -5
and the spin I get is only 50 keys less. Pixonic you suck! With the longer BM duration I get one gold spin per month. I prepare myself all month for disappointment. I might just stop looking at it altogether and take whatever I get along with my monthly league bonus. Better odds. It eliminates the keys from the reward pool. I don't bother with bronze or silver spins. Gold is usually something good. |
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Post by gman4hire on Nov 19, 2017 11:37:28 GMT -5
yeah ive run 2 gold boxes after saving keys for like 10 days just to spin and win 60keys woop tx for that!
I no longer look at what keys i have like amidf just wait till the event ends and pays out, 0 chance of getting shafted with 40% less keys.. last month i came out with a few comps and 360 gold so result for nothing and less disappointment : )
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Post by amidf on Nov 19, 2017 11:54:00 GMT -5
I don't know that the key rewards are eliminated in the automatic spins. How would you tell the difference between it spinning, getting keys, and spinning again until all keys are exhausted and eliminating keys as an outcome?
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Post by _psychø on Nov 19, 2017 16:11:37 GMT -5
Wait for the black market session to end, and let the game do the spins, you won't get keys because there will be new keys.
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Post by maverick on Nov 19, 2017 16:27:50 GMT -5
With the longer BM duration I get one gold spin per month. I prepare myself all month for disappointment. I might just stop looking at it altogether and take whatever I get along with my monthly league bonus. Better odds. It eliminates the keys from the reward pool. I don't bother with bronze or silver spins. Gold is usually something good. Absolutely last night I turned 1000 keys into 700 with just 1 spin. Not real impressed next time it's autospin. |
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Post by amidf on Nov 20, 2017 12:21:07 GMT -5
Better odds. It eliminates the keys from the reward pool. I don't bother with bronze or silver spins. Gold is usually something good. Absolutely last night I turned 1000 keys into 700 with just 1 spin. Not real impressed next time it's autospin. Again, there's no evidence the autospin does anything differently. But in terms of avoiding frustration, it's a proven method. |
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Post by ironstar on Nov 20, 2017 13:59:58 GMT -5
I don't know that the key rewards are eliminated in the automatic spins. How would you tell the difference between it spinning, getting keys, and spinning again until all keys are exhausted and eliminating keys as an outcome? As mentioned by psychø if our let the BM timer run out at the end of the month your remaining keys are automatically spun for you. There is however no chance of getting key since the old color keys are obsolete now. |
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Post by SATmaster728 on Nov 20, 2017 14:01:21 GMT -5
and the spin I get is only 50 keys less. Pixonic you suck! again, you get keys for free in battles...we used to get no keys at all...you have it better...etc. |
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 20, 2017 14:09:39 GMT -5
I just got 80 Kumiho components...meh, not bad. I usually don't have the patience to wait til the end of the season. The minute I get 100 keys, I'm spinning.
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Post by amidf on Nov 20, 2017 14:40:53 GMT -5
I don't know that the key rewards are eliminated in the automatic spins. How would you tell the difference between it spinning, getting keys, and spinning again until all keys are exhausted and eliminating keys as an outcome? As mentioned by psychø if our let the BM timer run out at the end of the month your remaining keys are automatically spun for you. There is however no chance of getting key since the old color keys are obsolete now. Ok. We know for the autospin keys go in and no keys come out. But we don't know that it is any different from spinning them on your own. Let me try to illustrate with a hypothetical: The event ends, and you have 100 keys. You let them autospin. The autospinner will open a silver chest. The first spin is for 60 keys. The autospinner now starts opening bronze chests. The first spin is for 2 keys. You now have 52 keys. This goes on until you run out of keys (keys < 10 get you one more bronze chest). You end up with 60,000 Ag and 10 gold. In that scenario we can tell that keys were rewarded, because you would have had just one prize if a silver chest was opened but there could be no keys as an outcome. We did this experiment a couple of months ago, and my recollection is that the number of theoretical spins and the number of prizes did not match up. So it looks like the autospinner just keeps going until all keys, including those won in spins, are exhausted. Anyway, this assumption that autospins cannot have intermediate key outcomes seems entirely unjustified to me. But every time I argue about it, I am not understood by everyone. So we're going to keep having this discussion just like we'll be talking about how when your win rate regresses to the mean there are dark forces at work. |
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Post by hyderier on Nov 20, 2017 14:46:25 GMT -5
I am fairly sure autospin converts key wins to Au. Or well, "fairly sure", that's what it has looked like to me. And next time could be different of course.
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Post by ironstar on Nov 20, 2017 14:55:57 GMT -5
Ok. We know for the autospin keys go in and no keys come out. But we don't know that it is any different from spinning them on your own. Let me try to illustrate with a hypothetical: The event ends, and you have 100 keys. You let them autospin. The autospinner will open a silver chest. The first spin is for 60 keys. The autospinner now starts opening bronze chests. The first spin is for 2 keys. You now have 52 keys. This goes on until you run out of keys (keys < 10 get you one more bronze chest). You end up with 60,000 Ag and 10 gold. In that scenario we can tell that keys were rewarded, because you would have had just one prize if a silver chest was opened but there could be no keys as an outcome. We did this experiment a couple of months ago, and my recollection is that the number of theoretical spins and the number of prizes did not match up. So it looks like the autospinner just keeps going until all keys, including those won in spins, are exhausted. Anyway, this assumption that autospins cannot have intermediate key outcomes seems entirely unjustified to me. But every time I argue about it, I am not understood by everyone. So we're going to keep having this discussion just like we'll be talking about how when your win rate regresses to the mean there are dark forces at work. Ah I see. Well that may be the case, I have not checked this in detail. |
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Nov 20, 2017 15:02:43 GMT -5
I am fairly sure autospin converts key wins to Au. Or well, "fairly sure", that's what it has looked like to me. And next time could be different of course. I’m fairly sure you are correct. To the OP, this is nothing shocking. What did you expect? Ive spun a silver chest a day for the past few months and for the first 100 chests all I’d ever pulled was keys, Ag, Au or components. Finally the other night, somewhere between chest number 100-120, I pulled out a Fury. I’d rather spin for 50 keys than Ag though, just for the hope that 50 keys later I wouldn’t get Ag. |
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Nov 20, 2017 16:03:15 GMT -5
Well if this is the first time this has happened to you then consider yourself very lucky.
I get this at least once a day.
The bright side is it gets you closer to a super chest.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Nov 21, 2017 16:08:08 GMT -5
Wanna see the most pointless spin ever?? Just gathered up exactly 100 keys for my next silver chest. Spun it and got...  |
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Post by Roninsedge on Nov 21, 2017 19:49:03 GMT -5
But what did you get after that?
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Nov 22, 2017 6:35:08 GMT -5
But what did you get after that? 465 Shocktrain components. |
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Post by wildboar on Nov 22, 2017 7:05:15 GMT -5
I'm with amidf on this. You will get keys , they will just be reinvested (ha!) until you have none left... the net result being you have a list of prizes that does not include keys (as they have all been spun way) |
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Post by seanh on Nov 22, 2017 9:18:24 GMT -5
As mentioned by psychø if our let the BM timer run out at the end of the month your remaining keys are automatically spun for you. There is however no chance of getting key since the old color keys are obsolete now. Ok. We know for the autospin keys go in and no keys come out. But we don't know that it is any different from spinning them on your own. Let me try to illustrate with a hypothetical: The event ends, and you have 100 keys. You let them autospin. The autospinner will open a silver chest. The first spin is for 60 keys. The autospinner now starts opening bronze chests. The first spin is for 2 keys. You now have 52 keys. This goes on until you run out of keys (keys < 10 get you one more bronze chest). You end up with 60,000 Ag and 10 gold. In that scenario we can tell that keys were rewarded, because you would have had just one prize if a silver chest was opened but there could be no keys as an outcome. We did this experiment a couple of months ago, and my recollection is that the number of theoretical spins and the number of prizes did not match up. So it looks like the autospinner just keeps going until all keys, including those won in spins, are exhausted. Anyway, this assumption that autospins cannot have intermediate key outcomes seems entirely unjustified to me. But every time I argue about it, I am not understood by everyone. So we're going to keep having this discussion just like we'll be talking about how when your win rate regresses to the mean there are dark forces at work. There were a good few threads on this back when the BM came out. General consensus was that keys are eliminated for the auto spin. You can still see the rewards listing of what you get. No one ever has keys in it and if you look at the color of the reward it the same to show you the order of the spins and type spun. I let it auto spin most times, can always track how many bronze, silver and gold spins it did and never got any indication that it had spun keys. But IDK, I could just have the luck. |
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Post by amidf on Nov 22, 2017 11:37:37 GMT -5
There were a good few threads on this back when the BM came out. General consensus was that keys are eliminated for the auto spin. You can still see the rewards listing of what you get. No one ever has keys in it and if you look at the color of the reward it the same to show you the order of the spins and type spun. I let it auto spin most times, can always track how many bronze, silver and gold spins it did and never got any indication that it had spun keys. But IDK, I could just have the luck. Here are a couple of the old threads. war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/14610/random-spin-give-leftover-keyswar-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/13777/get-most-keysNote that there are always people in these threads who write the equivalent of "I didn't get any keys from the autospin, so there must not be keys as a reward." Ugh! You have to understand your opponents' argument. There are also people who write that the rewards didn't match up with the expected number of spins. Note that getting the expected number of rewards doesn't contradict my theory (unless that's all everyone gets). I'm almost up to 1000 keys now and will decide if I want to be frustrated now or later. Probably better to hold off. |
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Post by wildboar on Nov 22, 2017 11:39:38 GMT -5
I have in the region of 900 ... so will hold on for one big disappointing auto-splurge
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Post by hyderier on Nov 22, 2017 12:42:11 GMT -5
Last time I let Pix auto-spin on 3 accounts, and I got a lot of small Au wins, which looked like 1:1 converted key wins.
When spinning myself, reduced number of keys were the most common win, so if key wins were just hidden, I would expect to get a lot less rewards than original number of keys would suggest. 3x auto spins and I did not notice such.
So I am quite convinced that last time it was conversion to Au. But this time there will be more of us here paying more attention to it, so we'll see :-)
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