Developer News 1/21/17

thays exactly what I'm saying, people can't get a couple geps and a few mags and play bronze tier anymore, they have to spend $$$ if they want to be competitive and the better you get the MM will keep throwing higher level bots at you to keep pushing you to spend more...if you can't see how the current MM system is going to force players to progress and spend real money then I don't know what to tell you...

haha sounded right in my head...I just mean with the new mm it's a way to take away farming and force ppl to spend more money. I'm not even advocating to be able to club but just go up against equally geared competition so you can get resources to then get better gear but it seems under the new system after you win a couple matches you will always be dropped in with bigger better bots and have to lose for a while...i have a hanger of medium bots and continually go up against entire hangers of heavys which keeps me out of the top 3 a lot and I can't get as much gold as before. Have the max level of the bot be the max level of the weapons and group people with similar hangers in battles

while see what you're saying about not being able to choose what tier you're in people absolutely have a right to battle with bots that are the same level as them, basing matches off performance is obviously a recipe for disaster as everyone will eventually his the wall of being completely outgeared...this seems extremely obvious to so many and yet the devs seem to have been oblivious to it and that's one of the reasons you're seeing so many complaints

lol ok bud...funny though because pix and everyone in the community felt people have a right to not be clubbed. But yea, keep balancing the game around 6 year olds and see where that gets you...

My main concern with this position / thinking is that it ignores the fact that players (including myself) invested gold, silver and wsp based on the understanding/reality that there were tiers... so I could have many different hangars and enjoy playing with the full range of bots available to me. Once the new MM drops into Android, does that mean all those investments are essentially worthless? I've got 30+ bots... are all but the key 5 I intend to move forward with just scrap (of which I really only have 1 -  a Carnage)? Is any investment in any bot or weapon that is not viable at 12/12 now essentially a waste if my intent is to perform at a high enough level to receive good rewards? I don't see any open recognition by Pix that they've changed these basic rules in iOS, nor do I see any generosity in allowing players to redeploy their assets to better align with the change.

Putting it another way... why buy a Rogatha? If it's not end game worthy, it provides no advantage because whatever performance increase you experience from it will just translate into tougher opposition. So that's 2400 gold wasted. Is anyone going to let me give up that bot and refund my 2400 gold because the rules have changed?

Another point - "sucks to be you" isn't a particularly wise position for a service provider to take when dealing with its clients. Usually you would look at the impact a change of service might have and at least try to explain / mitigate some of it so the clients don't bear the brunt of the shock. There doesn't seem to be any of that damage control/reduction going on here, nor has Pix demonstrated much foresight about the unintended consequences of the change, which is probably why there is substantial legit anger being added to the less-legit complaints coming from those who have profited greatly from gaming the old system.

My hope is the lessons learned from the iOS implementation will open Pix's eyes and allow a much smoother implementation in Android. I'd also point out that they do have direct communication access to a lot of veteran players through their insiders network... would it really hurt to use that network more proactively to help identify potential issues in advance?

Well said.

I've said it before, but apparently it bears repeating.... There is a concept called regime stability. Basically, how stable are the rules you operate under. Will the rules suddenly and unexpectedly change on you?

When there is regime instability, when people have reason to think the rules they've been operating under can't be relied on to stay the same, any kind of long term planning (and investment, hint hint) stops. It's too risky.

People have been playing this game for a while, and there have been quite a few changes but certain things remained constant as well. The stability and reliability of the environment and the rules let people approach this game, and make investments of time and money, with a long planning horizon. Which is important when it takes months to max a hangar.

Now? One of the most important things that always remained stable, the tier basis of the MM system, has been ?poo-poo?canned. People have, for better or worse, come to expect that certain things would remain true of the game environment and allowed that to inform their planning and corresponding investment. So, when the environment changes and people see their already sunk investment losing value, or even becoming a direct liability.... *of course* they're going to get upset. (Which explains the large Apple store refunds.)

And nobody with a planning horizon longer than 'Now!' is going to be inclined to invest in their involvement in this game.

Yeah, I feel ya. My silver hanger of geps, Rogs, mags, tarans and orcans. Has been completely worthless since the Halloween update to MM on Android. I had to move to Low Gold to field a hanger worth playing.

I adjusted, but I was/am pretty pissed that I have a bunch of worthless bots I spent a good chunk of gold/time on. I still have a significant amount of lvl 11 weapons I can't use anymore. I will eventually, but I would have never invested if I knew they would become worthless until I approached a max hanger.

The fundamental purpose of investing is to get an advantage. I don't get the purpose behind offering an advantage at a premium price, then turn around and work hard to nullify the advantages your customers invested in. I am on board with limiting clubbers, but I feel like once you hit silver tier, it's on you if your still getting clubbed.

That's probably the most sensible thing I've read on the boards.

Curious where Pixonic ever came out and officially stated that there was an established tier system for MM? I've never once seen them post on their website, fb, or any other form of communication that gave us confirmation (and the exact specs) of their mm system.

As such, running around saying you defrauded me (because my AG, AU, WSP build is no longer viable in a "tier" that you never said existed) seems pretty far fetched.

While I get the frustration with the issues related to a new mm rollout, I don't think anyone is entitled (legally, philosophically) to anything from Pix. Crimsonscorpion hit the solution on the head. If you don't like the changes, then simply uninstall the game. You'll be less stressed, and can honestly find another mobile game that's more enjoyable.

If you choose to gut it out, then just hang in there till MM levels out, and things "should" work themselves out.

@kingkull You're prolly the most reasonable views from the opposition so far, so I say this not to be mean, but realistic. No Body ever signed a form stating they contracted to use their gold for an express purpose. I have 3 Gepards on my Android account that I likely will never use again. I don't mind, I got my new set out of them. I don't expect Pixo to cater to my desire to continue useing them.

Undoubtedly, I will touch upon issues that have already been elaborated in the thread.

That’s to say, I won’t be making any original contribution or evoke new lines of thought in expressing my opinion here on the thread.

Nevertheless, if I were to suggest that the roll-out or early stages of the improved match making system has been
utterly mishandled by Pixonic I do not think anyone will find such a remark controversial in the least.

I have been playing War Robots daily since Christmas Eve I have made some modest in-app purchases with War Robots prior to the
recent changes in the gameplay experience But after the recent change and how it has been addressed by Pixonc I will refrain from making
another in-app purchase with Pixonic in the foreseeable future. And there are plenty of reasons for taking such a position.
None of which rely on some idiotic appeal that because the game is offered as a free download
it should therefor be entirely free--that’s just nonsense.

For me its a matter of perspective and principle, for instance; I like going to first run movies a great deal and do it pretty regularly. Generally speaking,
for about 9o minutes I find myself entertained to varying degrees in watching films on the big screen. As a corollary, I have been
entertained a great deal by War Robots for more then 2oo+ hours by my own estimate.

If I paid for 2oo hours of first-run movie entertainment it would cost me something close to $3,ooo. I assure you, I have spent nowhere near
that amount on War Robots yet I have been more entertained and more personally satisfied by the game then what I have
received from all the movies I have seen over the previous 12mos.

I have been gaming for 2o+ years and ‘competing' in multiplayer shooters with a modicum of personal success for six years and
not once have I had the experience of a developer making such a dramatic change affecting the gameplay as I have here with Pixonic;s
recent roll-out of a new match making system and at the same time had the developer remain utterly silent about the change.

It has absolutely blown me away.

What’s more, in chatting with an early adopter of War Robots is apparently Pixonic has done this type
of quiet but explosive change at least once before. It is really hard for me to swallow that there is so many apologists
on this forum and elsewhere for this type of behavior. Daemon Lilith, I get it. You already have a maxed hanger and you have
no doubt benefited from the former exploitive practice that others refuse to or are otherwise unable to dedicate the requisite
resources to achieve results similar to your own. Great. The crowd always needs to see who kicks another man who is already down.
Good Job. I have no doubt that you also have a ton of hours wrapped-up in the game and are in actuality a pretty good pilot.
In other words, you have paid your dues, done the grind and sweated-out a ton of matches but I absolutely want to know;
what is the performance rating? Seriously, I want to know what it is that you are referring to. Message me or post it--I really would like to
know.

As for myself and the 2oo hours I have invested in the game so far let me just back-up a bit, I found-out pretty quick that
I’ll need 98o.o Million silver to max out my hanger with no alternates for the fourth or fifth slot.
Mind you, I only play at the highest levels that any particular game offers...
I just do not see much of a point otherwise.

98o.o Million, wow, that means I have a ton of grinding ahead of me if I am to reach my aim.

Alright, I am totally OK with 98o.o Million--better start grinding for gold first; bought a Gareth, bought a Galahad, bought a Gepard, bought a second
Gareth (those pesky Mag/Gepards), bought a second Galahad, bought some Orkans, opened my fourth slot,
opened my fifth slot just before New Years.

All I am really trying to say is that I think that the Cossack is the least appreciated but most deserving bot in the game.
Love seeing the Cossack spawn in any match I am in, pretty rare anymore though.But still when he shows up I am quick to follow his lead
and I make it point to protect him with as much fire power as I can muster. I owe them so much but I am no longer on the hunt for
gold per se so someone I esteem said here recently that it was time to ditch the Cossacks
and run my strongest hanger to increase my damage. He said the silver would flow from that.

And wow! I started to produce 1o.o-25.oM silver each and everyday. I was well on my way--totally fine with collecting 400 gold each day as well.
leveling-up my stuff and grinding-it-out. Man, I cannot wait to field my first level 12 hanger. Maybe I should get a couple alternates and start leveling them up
as well--I mean, it could be sometime before Pixonic implements some sort of change to all the Trident murdering going-on... I need something to counter the reviled Trident/Fury
combo if Pixonic doesn’t wind-up doing something about it first... And oh my god, the Lance with that proposed buffed Ancile looks like it might take a desperately needed
beacon at the end of a close match. Man, I should really hang three more Aphids off that Patton too... and after that I am going to put a new suit on my Griffins, the brown is so
boring.

Long story short, over the previous four days I have produced no more than 4.o million silver, 100 pieces of gold (not including gold for daily rewards).
I do not know how many of you have played other popular shooter games over the years but what has just occurred is commonly known as a reset. Tried cornering
Pixonic about it and they sent me a nice couple of Hallmark cards. Apparently they really appreciate my feedback.
Asked Apple to help me get my ten bucks back for the VIP +50% Silver Perk.

Did some calculating here recently. My average bot is level 6.4 (7,7,5,6,7). My average weapon level is 6.68.
Over 31 recent matches my teammates and opponents had a average bot level of 9.2 and a weapon level
average of 9.44. I do not have one bot leveled above 7 and I only have two Tarans leveled 8 but nothing
in-play or in my inventory is leveled as high or higher.

I stopped playing sometime yesterday because maybe in some small part owing to my time in college or maybe it is just something innate in me but I just kind of “know" 
that there is no amount of skill that will overcome a variance of 60 percentage points--for if there was it would be called something else; namely, luck.

To put it another way, in order to overcome my typical opponent I would need to overcome roughly 30% more armor while avoiding weapon fire that was typically
30% more powerful than my own. But really I stopped playing more because I got really tired of burning through all five of my bots with more than 4 minutes
remaining on the clock.

Not the first time I have been reset. Sadly, probably not the last time either.

So strange that Pixonic is so silent. I just cannot get over that. I am still getting email notifications from developers about pending sever
maintenance over issues/bugs on games I have not played in two years. Each of the major developers post a youtube video with ‘game creators’ when things are amiss.
Incredible PR Pixonic has got--probably just cost them a consumer.

No, I think he means people who have played for a few months but haven't yet reached high enough levels to actually be able to meaningfully contribute in the new MM, which from all accounts seem to be more than 10 people. Either because they haven't paid Pixonic enough to speed up upgrades, or because they don't play regularly and so don't speed up upgrades regularly, or because they have paid but haven't upgraded the right things.

EDIT: Oh wait, also all those who upgraded mediums instead of heavies, all those who don't find Lancing around on a Fatso at 3 kmph great fun, and so on. Those who can't play with their previous clans, etc.

So do I.

2 lights and 3 meds and haven't purposely changed a thing since the new MM because I'm trying to see how it would work with all the changes going on. ...But I'd be lying if I said that it's very enjoyable after the War Robots goes above 60% or so and Griffins, Lances, Rhinos and Furies start coming out. I can manage it to some degree; past that I get one or two-shotted with these lights no matter how careful I am.

I don't need to win, or even get gold. But at least being useful and feeling like you've contributed to the team should be a possibility.

Also, try buying I griff or two, and running cheap RDB setups. It seems to work alright for me, and hopefully should work well for others