Reward System Overhaul (Scheduled 12/2017)

You have a misunderstanding of what currency is.  From an economic perspective, they function as currency.  What you are exchanging is your time.  Pixonic wants your time.  They want it in the form of your active playing (so they can sell you to paying players), or they want it in the form of your dollars.  They keep track of the amount of time you give them via the goods you purchase or by what you would call "currency" plus components plus crates and keys and honor points and whatever else they call them.  When you say "currency" you should think "a measure of the productive use of my time."  Its not a perfect definition, but it works pretty well across a wide body of situations.

Dollars convert to:
Au
Keys
Components

Gold converts to:
Time (shortend upgrades)
Ag
WSP (at worsening exchange rates per unit of time)
Components (at a rate I havent' been able to nail down yet - not enough data since I haven't been tracking it closely)

Time converts to:
Au
Ag
WSP (with an Ag cost)
Keys
Components
Supply Crates (which convert to variable Ag, Au and Components)
Honor Points (which convert to Ag, Au, and keys)

The exchange rates are theoretically knowable and we should be able to get a matrix together so that an individual could decide whether his time playing the game was more or less valuable vs. time spend working to buy stuff in the game vs. efficient path's within the game to spend any of the relevant currencies.  My biggest complaint with Pixionic's model is that the various currencies exist to obfuscate this matrix.

Au vs. Ag serves to disguise their relative value: long term Ag > Au, short term Au > Ag.
WSP serves as a short term Ag-sink while slowing the introduction of "better" bots into the game (silver bots vs. WSP bots)
Key's are basically your time converted to casino chips
Components are a massive deflator to Au - an Au-sink.
Supply Crates and Honor points are additional compensation for your time - and they operate to counteract (but no where near full offset) some of the Au and Ag devaluation brought on buy K-bot RM pricing, Component devaluation of Au, and MKII devaluation of Ag.

I think the single most valuable piece of information we could provide new players is the game's exchange-matrix.

Slightly off Track: I reported that gareth bug like 3 times  before May and came to the forum for assistance. Got more acknowledgement here than from Pix. That bot is like 6kmph slower than it should be. if they could increase the speed of the rog and the rhino at the drop of a hat what is the go with the garerth. Its a shocker. They will ignore stuff that doesn't fit in with their plans. And even worse, they will give you the run around when a concern is raised. last time I wrote in I pasted the link to the above video and did not even get a response back.

Thanks for doing that!

Honestly, I'm feeling a bit like an old geezer, but I remember the times with Zeus bug, and Leo Aphid bug. Those were reported, and, if done properly, got some response from Pix. Sure Zeus bug was taking a long time to fix, but hey, they acknowledged it and fixed in the end.

I am sad I see no more feedback thingy happening. :(

One game does not make a studio. I believe they are cashing out the stock in War Robots to move to diversify into other titles. Hence the aggressive revenue generation program. If Pix folds in 6 months from now, no one will ever be able to say that they failed with this title. They cashed out to redeploy resources into a flowering development horizon. Pixonic's one hit with War Robots will not float the studio.

Even develop the next War Robots title in what should become a franchise.

In spite of all of this, they must reach to the next title. Regardless of how bad they are at it. It's like a singer with his first hit, he can only ride that song so far until the listening audience gets sick and turns on him. Pix has no choice but to try and make the next "hit".

It is the nature of the extremely fickle business market they are in.

As for BoT, "it's just not there yet" will probably be what defines it. Everyone assumes that the best talent left to make a better game...What if that's just not the case?..Some guys who used to work on War Robots, and were mediocre at best...?

AND WITHOUT HONOR THEY SHALL NEVER ENTER STOVOKOR!!!!

From what I understood, the activity based rewards will also scale at base with league standings. If the activity resource system completely replaces after battle rewards, there would be absolutely no incentive to tank, as you'd be gimping your free resources, and cheating yourself out of the higher milestone rewards per day. Milestones DO reset daily, so activity per day makes all the difference in reaching larger sums of rewards. By spending a whole day dropping league score, you're missing out on the milestones you could have hit that day to increase your rewards. If you try to work your way through the tasks after tanking, you've decreased your rewards substantially, and would have to hit a higher daily milestone to get the same amount.
Say, if 5 honor points (will call it HP from now on)for daily activity is set to 1x current league reward, 10 is 1.1x etc etc, you'd be led to "theoretically":

Diamond 3 base reward: 100 macguffins.

5 HP= 100 macguffins

10 HP= 110 macguffins

15 HP= 120 macguffins

Total for 3 milestones: 330 macguffins

Silver 3 base rewards: 50 macguffins

5 HP= 50 macguffins

10 HP= 55 macguffins

15 HP= 60 macguffins

175 macguffins

Playing to hit the 15 HP for two days in D3: 660 macguffins

Taking a day to tank to Silver3, then playing twice as much to complete 30 HP: 375 macguffins.

So, unless Pix craps in their own shoes with this, it should work.

My whole thing, is that people shouldn't be concerned with what's two years away, and morr focused on what's going on now.
The average f2p already needed 2-4 years to hit max with premium bots and weapons before the Dash update. It's one of the things that always killed me about this whole scenario.

The big thing right now, is that we're looking at current player trends and population behavior based on the current systems at play.

There are plenty of people that aren't playing at the level they should be, whether it be in effort, hangar, or League score.
As it stands, expert 3 and above on either platform may as well be Champion league thanks to MM sorting (Pix's fault) and lack of progression among players (Grind times and resource bottlenecks, Pix's fault) and tanking (Pix's fault).

If the leagues were filled out properly by player progression with a league based reward structure, and everyone was pushing UP instead of how the majority are pushing DOWN, it should even out.

The key comes to rewarding the highest level players (read: Biggest wallets and/or most loyal ) as much as you can without breaking your monetization model. Time release valves are the best instrument for this. The artificial difficulty imposed on us with the MM has likely been a horrible poison to player confidence and morale. If league mixing were to lessen by way of overlaps from players pushing up, instead of MM obviously match fixing, player retention will stabilise. If rewards aren't based solely on damage except in TDM, it leaves morr breathing room for players to focus on the objective (which honor tasks seem to be an assortment of).

In a system dominated by resources one can stockpiled, giving massive rewards to the upper echelons of players means that your new releases will be progressively less profitable over time. That is the situation the game has gotten to now, and is at least partially responsible for the explosion of monetization schemes we've seen in the past few months.

In a system where the monetization model is set so that players cannot accrue resources for items that haven't been released yet (components), you can be generous with the upper echelons of players because it won't cut into your profit margin on every release. New content will have a release valve based on time and player performance, Ag and Au stockpiles will have the same relevance as they do now, for basic essential items, upgrades, and upgrade rushes.

If everything from here on out is released via components, then the exponential increase of Au/Ag earnings throughout the leagues would mean very little. The people at the very top will always spend RM on whatever it takes to be there, these folks are the point where there is no advancement until new content is introduced, or balance changes occur. They will be making the most free resources, but will not damage the fiscal bottom line of Pix while doing so. The players that have done the grinding to make it to the point under those people. SHOULD be recieving more resources than the people below them, those rewards will keep them as close to the whale pods as fair as van be asked for, as the new toys will be time released, but, the tier 2 players will have enough resources to ADAPT instead of being completely dumped on. Apply this logic to everyone trying to fight up to make the rewards they earn better, and you have a game ecosystem where tanking will literally do nothing for progression.

Lets face it, Ag and Au are no longer game breaking in huge stockpiles, paying $1k for the flavor of the month, is. It's obvious they're monitoring the Au/wsp: Components offers. If they make components accessible in another controlled manner, and do away with the offers, WP/Au/Ag will be good for nothing but intetmediate gear and upgrades. If that becomes the case, with all of the new RM features, and a truly Pixo controlled release valve on content, Pixo won't give two shakes about the Au/Ag stockpiles given via the ladder.

Even if it is easier to climb for resources after tanking, if it's done right (which is what anything other than a meltdown if this game is relying on) those 50 tasks you complete in a day still won't be as profitable as completing the 25 all at your level.

AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] don't misundersrand me, I'm only talking about this for the thought excersize for if I'm ever involved in the production if something like this.

I have very littlr doubt this is going to be done in the most half assed and ill concieved way possible.

IDK. A singer has defined ways to monetize a song, most help to promote it at the same time. It's kinda hard to piss off the people liking a song, unless maybe by getting them into an overpriced concert and then leaving the stage after 15 minutes.

With Pixo, it's a customer oriented business. Provide good service, those customers will have a close look at your next titles and probably do free PR via facebook, youtube and whatever. Provide lousy service or a bad "value for the buck", and you destroy the base for any followup title. Do you really think I would even try a new game developed by Pixo? Unlikely, and if I did it would be with a very negative attitude.

I mean, if prices are high that's one thing. You can decide whether it's worth that much to you or not. When I go to a hotel I can decide between $50, $100 and $200 per night hotels, and if I ready reviews I'll get "my moneys worth" (even though the difference between $200 and $100 is usually less than between $50 and $100). But the problem with mobile games is that even if prices are decent at first, they inevitably skyrocket if the game is successful and acquires a large customer base. That's more like renting a flat for $1000 a month, and once you've settled in the rent is raised by 30% every month. Most tenants would pay up for some time, but eventually leave. I'm sure if that happens you'd never rent a flat from that company again, and be very wary about any price increases in the contract for your next flat.

This could be because of the fast entry Overdrive new players, who get swooped by their initial experience. The graphics are decent, and the game does fill in a niche. I had a similar initial impression too. It's only a bit deeper into the game that we understand the not so positive aspects of it, and this is where a lot of players just hit the uninstall button. Who'd bother to even give a second thought about the GPlay ratings.

Well, this is one of three things I dislike about the game.

1) The "we listen you" bull「dookie」 (Please just STOP asking for opinion and letting players fill TestServer review. It is never going anywhere)
2) Releasing clearly OP bots and weapons  (really, STOP just STOP releasing more weapons for Dashes).
3) Forcing sealclubbing in the game. The "punishing" leavers, who honestly do no harm because, well, they are locked away from player base. But Sealclubing was NEVER even addressed in any publications\videos. And ridiculous league mixing is "a norm" too.

Everything else is just fine. I am fine with ANY price for ANY bot\weapon, as well as p.2 is kept intact (think for example WW bots or Paintjobs prices. Have they ruined the game? Never. It's just an expensive novelty items. You want to show off and boast your money - you can do that, while NOT ruining gameplay for others).

Again not sure these guys have actually thought the whole thing through 

If they do implement this correctly !!WoW!! it will be great! 

However I have a feeling that there will be major problems with the MM being the big factor in this going horribly wrong. (hmm)

But I still wait with bated breath that they might just surprise us all and do it right Maybe....