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Post by CrownBlack on Jan 18, 2017 11:27:32 GMT -5
I wish Pixonic would eliminate this annoying "weapon" you using only wants to make me hunt you down and kill you with extreme prejudice. Come out of your cave and lets have at it. I even saw a teammate that put them on a Rhino 「whiskey tango foxtrot」! Can't believe he didnt pair them up with Noricums!!. Granted I am by no means an expert on this game but I am not a noob either. This weapon isnt powerful enough to do yourself or your team any great service. "Well I survived the whole game and racked up 80k in damage" Congrats!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 12:22:15 GMT -5
If the incoming aphid nerf is as minimal as expected, better get used to it.
With the rise of a non-LOS, high damage, fast reload weapon Pixonic more or less rendered every knife fighter useless (besides suicide-rushing a beacon).
Given that most bots carrying Aphids have a low HP pool (Geps and Pattons), hydras are actually a good counter to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 12:29:28 GMT -5
Given that most bots carrying Aphids have a low HP pool (Geps and Pattons), hydras are actually a good counter to them. Especially the Geps after the proposed HP adjustment comes into play, because, at least in my experience and use, they are rarely leveled up past 4.
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Jan 18, 2017 12:33:37 GMT -5
I use Hydras on a bot or two, with the principle of "softening" a target before knife fighting. Also, I use it with the purpose of covering my retreat when necessary. Absolutely never as a primary weapon
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Post by zeus on Jan 18, 2017 13:08:08 GMT -5
I quit the game when I see two blues start with hydra bots, almost as bad as zenit Natashas. Most of them don't cap, defend beacons and they will stay in it till it's too late to turn the tides.
You should be glad that there are reds using it, the more the better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 13:14:27 GMT -5
I quit the game when I see two blues start with hydra bots, almost as bad as zenit Natashas. Most of them don't cap, defend beacons and they will stay in it till it's too late to turn the tides. You should be glad that there are reds using it, the more the better. First: the leaver is more annoying than even the worst frankenstein natasha. Second: I assume you dont play in gold tier yet? A Hydra Fujin (or a Spiral Hydra Griff) who starts supressing red Aphid Bots right from the start can be an extremely valuable addition to your team...
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Post by zeus on Jan 18, 2017 13:40:36 GMT -5
I quit the game when I see two blues start with hydra bots, almost as bad as zenit Natashas. Most of them don't cap, defend beacons and they will stay in it till it's too late to turn the tides. You should be glad that there are reds using it, the more the better. First: the leaver is more annoying than even the worst frankenstein natasha. Second: I assume you dont play in gold tier yet? A Hydra Fujin (or a Spiral Hydra Griff) who starts supressing red Aphid Bots right from the start can be an extremely valuable addition to your team... I play in trash gold, not quite low gold in levels. I quit in the first 15 seconds. I'm an advocate of quitting games on noob teams too but I'm sure we are discussing this to death in the other thread. Is that something that can't be done by other bots say, another aphid or splash bot or shield bot that will still remain useful to the team? The aphid merely needs to wall hug to avoid spam, and step out every 10s to do good damage. By even taking one bot out at a beacon, he would have done his job with a beacon cap, a kill and a defend. Meanwhile hydra fujin is still staying at 600m, trying to get one aphid bot out. I seldom see hydras played well, not at my levels, nor in 12/12 games on YouTube. Im sure they are excellent at suppressing reds, that's probably all they can do and what most hydra users do in a very limited capacity. I would step out of the way for a trident fury or an aphid, not a hydra bot. I play full solo, so that might be the difference in our perspective. My experiences has showed me that I tend to win games with red hydras and lose games with blue hydras. Thats because it's kind of like 5v6 when they show up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 14:18:21 GMT -5
Yeah right, if that Hydra Fujin crawls in the most far away, safe-looking corner, then you deffo have a point. Tbh I just watched one yesterday on Dead City (we were teamed against a 4 man clan squad - 3 of them started with Aphid Pattons - which basically renders shield bots useless, because they cant defend from different directions) - and this guy was absolutely amazing - he knew the exact angles or whatever, and as soon as a Patton showed himself (e.g. lobbing his aphids) he started hitting them - effectively flushing them out of cover or into retreat - all three were taken out in the process from our midrangers. Before that show of skill I was also convinced that Hydras are useless
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Post by wannabetoughguy on Jan 18, 2017 14:22:09 GMT -5
U mad bro?
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Post by zeus on Jan 18, 2017 14:38:42 GMT -5
Yeah right, if that Hydra Fujin crawls in the most far away, safe-looking corner, then you deffo have a point. Tbh I just watched one yesterday on Dead City (we were teamed against a 4 man clan squad - 3 of them started with Aphid Pattons - which basically renders shield bots useless, because they cant defend from different directions) - and this guy was absolutely amazing - he knew the exact angles or whatever, and as soon as a Patton showed himself (e.g. lobbing his aphids) he started hitting them - effectively flushing them out of cover or into retreat - all three were taken out in the process from our midrangers. Before that show of skill I was also convinced that Hydras are useless This, I agree. But I can probably count on one hand the good hydra users I have seen who are great at curving shots around walls. I have faced one before. But that's in my 1000+ games. We are all pretty safe from hydras.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 15:11:31 GMT -5
*looks at his wins* *looks at his hand* (*realizes ONE finger does suffice*) Well... I guess you are right
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 19, 2017 14:25:57 GMT -5
*looks at his wins* *looks at his hand* (*realizes ONE finger does suffice*) Well... I guess you are right At least the hydra exists, otherwise there would probally be no real good counter to aphid on mediums or heavy
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Post by piperj3 on Jan 19, 2017 16:45:25 GMT -5
You know whats more annoying that any weapon? people who quit games. A pilot worth his salt will accept any challenge put in front of him. Any map. Any configuration. Adapt on the fly and conquer. A change of perspective
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Post by [NovR]CrayCrayy on Jan 20, 2017 2:22:20 GMT -5
I must be playing against a whole different type of opponent...In my experience playing in mid-gold, they're annoying as hell. In so many matches I've been in, trying to hide behind cover while there are hyra fujins or griffin hydra/spirals firing on you is almost pointless. Unless the cover you're behind is tall AND wide, and the hydra wielding user is far away or at a very poor angle, they can almost always angle it such that it curves around the cover.
Plus, if you're in a shielded bot, shooting hydras at an angle as close to perpendicular as possible to your shield, the missiles are almost guaranteed either go around, or over, your shield. If you're in range, you can't outrun them in a light bot either. They may not do much damage outright, but they can chip away at your health fast enough to kill a fury in about 5-7 weapon cycles. Much faster if there are 2 or more missile(hydra/spiral) bots targeting you.
It annoyed me so much that I went and got myself a few. While I was never able to deal more than 300k plus in a single match using just the missile bots, 300k plus is the combined health pool of 2-3 level 9 bots...
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 20, 2017 7:38:15 GMT -5
You know whats more annoying that any weapon? people who quit games. A pilot worth his salt will accept any challenge put in front of him. Any map. Any configuration. Adapt on the fly and conquer. A change of perspective Even if you know you are going to lose, you can still get some kills, beacons, and silver and the team will have more of a chance
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Post by frunobulax on Jan 20, 2017 7:43:48 GMT -5
This weapon isnt powerful enough to do yourself or your team any great service. Do you consider Tulums useless? Many popular mid range setups include Tulums. The Hydra has 815 DPS compared to the Tulums 966 DPS, but it is a homing missile and has 100m more range. If you want a midrange medium weapon, Hydra is really the best option in a rocket setup (only Molot has more DPS but requires you to be in line of sight). I for example run a rocket Golem with Trident, Hydra and Pin, and it's pretty effective in lower tiers.
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Post by klaeyz on Feb 16, 2017 19:38:33 GMT -5
as annoying as Hydras are, they do add variety to the game. its hard to blame anyone for getting bored of current setups and wanting to try something different. spending so many precious wp and silver on them also makes it difficult to justify not using them.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 16, 2017 21:06:04 GMT -5
The Hydra is a mind weapon...it fills you with frustration and hate. Then you start doing things you don't normally do...The game has only one psy weapon and this is it.
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Post by Golden Sabre on Feb 16, 2017 21:41:59 GMT -5
The Hydra is a mind weapon...it fills you with frustration and hate. Then you start doing things you don't normally do...The game has only one psy weapon and this is it. Let's not forget the Gekko
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 21:46:14 GMT -5
Or the Treb. You always look across the field hoping that you are not on the receiving end.
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 16, 2017 22:25:00 GMT -5
While I don't particularly like to quit matches, I don't lambast people who do. If you only have an hour to play because of RL, would you waste it with teammates sporting arty Nats and hydras and spirals? Besides if they quit early enough (as zeus indicated) they'll get replaced anyway. Unfortunately NOTHING is going to replace that Griff with spirals and hydras on a rooftop in Shenzen. I don't know about other players, but I play against lvl10-12 bots/weps and don't see hydras very often. If you really want to soften a target, do with with an aphid and finish them off with tarans or orkans.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 22:25:40 GMT -5
It needs more umph
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 22:27:44 GMT -5
Or the Treb. You always look across the field hoping that you are not on the receiving end. Or that the incoming double/Triple burst is only a partial charge.
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Post by cypho on Feb 17, 2017 9:26:50 GMT -5
Played a match earlier that towards the end left me and one ally against THREE hydra/spiral griffs on the opposing team. Yes, their damage per shot might be low, but believe me, the almost constant screen-shaking pounding that came my way for the remainder of the game was as effective as it was annoying. We were completely pinned down and ended up losing.
Granted that was an extreme and rare example and whilst I don't have the patience for it, it showed that they can serve a purpose if used properly.
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Post by wannabetoughguy on Feb 17, 2017 11:37:38 GMT -5
I have a hydra/aphid griff that had me winning at a rate of 73%, now I'm around 60%.
For me, it's a sophisticated weapon. I'm hitting people without getting hit, getting beacons, and got 4 reds trying to kill me while my team does what they want. I start wearing out reds and flanking shield bots from 600m away. The best feeling for me is killing off someone and being in range to begin nailing them as soon as they respawn lol. Then flying out of range as they blow up lol.
I got a request to join a team for the second time and I did a few months ago, but they only speak Spanish. They ended up telling me not to use my hydra griff because one said he "hates" aphids. I understand people's frustrations. I lose too, but it's a game after all so try to have some fun.
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Post by RightOn on Feb 17, 2017 17:23:48 GMT -5
I've done well over 500k in tri-hydra fujin lv9s
It is a sophisticated bot because you have a very important shield to your team and you can't afford to miss. Hydras do take practice, it's kind of like throwing a bowling ball, you have to curve it and consider cover, distance etc.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 17, 2017 17:39:08 GMT -5
It's like releasing bees at a Lil' Miss Princess children's beauty pageant ...a lot of squealing and swatting - jilted mothers.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Feb 18, 2017 17:04:01 GMT -5
I'm actually really bothered by this. Especially the quitting of matches instantly due to seeing a certain weapon that you somehow deemed useless. That is ignorance at its finest.
I bought a hydra once after getting annoyed by the hassling I was getting from them. Soon I realized that it wasn't all I thought it was going to be, I couldn't hit much with it initially and the damage sure wasn't what I was expecting. I retired it quickly and moved on. However, further down the line once I got my Rhino and was getting frustrated with not being able to lower my shield to fire orkans, tarans, or tulumbas due to getting lit up instantly, I got another hydra and started putting them to use.
This is indeed not a bad setup at all! As I worked the outskirts of the maps I was able to fire my hydras between straight line shield up runs. Upon running into the enemy I would sit behind my shield and chip away with my magnums, no longer tempted to lower the shield just to fire my hydras I would actually last longer. If they ducked behind cover I would unload the hydras on them. It worked great. The annoyance factor is the biggest key in my opinion. I knew that people were looking at me shaking their heads but I was proud of my unorthodox ways. Maybe once they saw my damage and beacon caps........IF THEY DIDNT LEAVE THE @#$%ing MATCH!!!!!!!.....then they would have opened their eyes.
Just a thought. With that I will end my rant about your rant and thank you for your time.
EDIT: Just to show I am not spewing BS about it. (I realize that I was a lot lower level then also but I'm sure I could still put it to worthwhile use)
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 18, 2017 21:01:53 GMT -5
I play my hanger from left to right...I bring out the Hydra right when maximum piss factor is needed and the other team wants it the least. Aphid/ Hydra set up is a lil' basdard. I want them so out of their mind mad that they friggin' do things like this...
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Post by kingzam on Feb 18, 2017 21:38:04 GMT -5
They're going to need to lock that kid up, that's nuts
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