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Post by seanh on Sept 15, 2017 6:44:30 GMT -5
So, something in another thread peaked my interest and I popped into the legend league list on iOS. While I was there I had a look at a few hangers and being a closet nerd jotted down a few things. Now I know legend league doesn’t necessarily equate to best players etc, but still interesting to snoop the hangers. I look at the top 20, meaning 100 bots. Some random number, draw what you will from them:
Haechi 37
Bulgarasi 21
Lance 14
Kumiho 9
Giffin 9
Fury 4
Butch 2
Galahad 1
Rog 1
Rhino 1
Doc 1
100
Orkan Haechi 31
Tarancilot 12
Orkan Bulgarasi 9
Taran Bulgarasi 9
Orkan Kumiho 9
Taran Haechi 5
DB Griff 4
Scourge Bulasari 3
Treb Butch 2
Zues Fury 2
Tempest Fury 2
RDB Griff 2
Plasmahad 1
Tulu Rog 1
Punisher Griffin 1
Orkan Doc 1
Scourge Haechi 1
PDB Griff 1
Punisher Griffin 1
DB Rhino 1
Stuka Griff 1
Orkan Ancilot 1
100
Orkans (or DB) 58
Taran / Plasma 28
Scourge 4
Tula 3
Thempest 2
Zues 2
Treb 2
Punishers 1
100
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Post by shakingrabbit on Sept 15, 2017 7:08:15 GMT -5
Well at least the dashes aren't OP. ..oh, wait...
Well at least they're rare enough to not impact the game too much so I guess Pix's distribution model is worki...oh, wait...
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Post by seanh on Sept 15, 2017 7:13:36 GMT -5
There were guys with 5 Haechi's, i was trying to figure out how much you would need to blow on the wheel to achieve that, it would have to be in the thousands? Also if the chance of getting each dash is equal it would mean that there are a pile of Kumiho's and a few Bulgarasi's that arn't even making the primary hangers?
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 15, 2017 7:28:28 GMT -5
There have been discussions on that  Estimates range from 500$ to $1500 for an all-dash hangar. Plus ~$1500 if you want to insta-upgrade to level 12, including silver and gold for speedups. $300 per Haechi seems like a decent assumption. So, 33% non-dash robots. Or 33% of the legend players didn't fall for the spending madness. |
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Post by seanh on Sept 15, 2017 7:36:10 GMT -5
3 hangers had zero dashes, 8 were all dash,
It did occur to me that it may be difficult of pix to nerf them so soon, but a nerf to Orkans and a buff to plasma, might just have the same impact?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 7:43:35 GMT -5
Interesting.
One caveat: The players in Legends are the guys who play most. The players that have shelved for early access to dash bots are likely to play a lot. Either because they always play a lot or because they need to justify their spending, get an advantage of the money they spent. Therefore there will, imo, be an over-representation of dash bots in legends compared to general top players.
That said they (the Haechi especially) are OP and need to be nerfed (again the Haechi especially).
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Post by snk on Sept 15, 2017 7:52:22 GMT -5
There are quite a lot of Dash bot in iOS higher tier, I believe there are quite a few people in my clan purchased 10-20 13000 key packages just for Dash bot. Many people has 3 or more Dash in their hanger, some with just Heachi (I believe they have others in their garage). I believe they used the gold from the chest to speed up the Dash upgrade.
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Post by K A Z on Sept 15, 2017 7:57:55 GMT -5
There have been discussions on that Estimates range from 500$ to $1500 for an all-dash hangar. Plus ~$1500 if you want to insta-upgrade to level 12, including silver and gold for speedups. $300 per Haechi seems like a decent assumption. So, 33% non-dash robots. Or 33% of the legend players didn't fall for the spending madness. I'm not gonna bring the starving kids topic here, but some ppl have real issues in finding reasonable ways to spend money lol |
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Post by T34 on Sept 15, 2017 9:54:37 GMT -5
Well at least the dashes aren't OP. ..oh, wait... Well at least they're rare enough to not impact the game too much so I guess Pix's distribution model is worki...oh, wait... Great and highly accurate statement bunny! ....... and the bul「dookie」 just keeps coming out of Pix. But I reckon down deep everyone knows what is happening. Gotta go now....... I see a whale... it will be milked....... |
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Post by T34 on Sept 15, 2017 10:07:03 GMT -5
So, something in another thread peaked my interest and I popped into the legend league list on iOS. While I was there I had a look at a few hangers and being a closet nerd jotted down a few things. Now I know legend league doesn’t necessarily equate to best players etc, but still interesting to snoop the hangers. I look at the top 20, meaning 100 bots. Some random number, draw what you will from them:
Haechi 37
Bulgarasi 21
Lance 14
Kumiho 9
Giffin 9
Fury 4
Butch 2
Galahad 1
Rog 1
Rhino 1
Doc 1
100
Orkan Haechi 31
Tarancilot 12
Orkan Bulgarasi 9
Taran Bulgarasi 9
Orkan Kumiho 9
Taran Haechi 5
DB Griff 4
Scourge Bulasari 3
Treb Butch 2
Zues Fury 2
Tempest Fury 2
RDB Griff 2
Plasmahad 1
Tulu Rog 1
Punisher Griffin 1
Orkan Doc 1
Scourge Haechi 1
PDB Griff 1
Punisher Griffin 1
DB Rhino 1
Stuka Griff 1
Orkan Ancilot 1
100
Orkans (or DB) 58
Taran / Plasma 28
Scourge 4
Tula 3
Thempest 2
Zues 2
Treb 2
Punishers 1
100
Maybe worth considering that the proportion of older buts is "so high" because people have limits on spending or just can't afford to gamble to get the 5 dash hanger. ps. Kuhimo needs a buff because it's not used enough! |
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Post by CrownBlack on Sept 15, 2017 10:17:11 GMT -5
There have been discussions on that Estimates range from 500$ to $1500 for an all-dash hangar. Plus ~$1500 if you want to insta-upgrade to level 12, including silver and gold for speedups. $300 per Haechi seems like a decent assumption. So, 33% non-dash robots. Or 33% of the legend players didn't fall for the spending madness. I'm not gonna bring the starving kids topic here, but some ppl have real issues in finding reasonable ways to spend money lol Well I am sure their parents are pissed about them charging that much on the parents credit cards
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Post by Deadeye on Sept 15, 2017 10:34:43 GMT -5
There have been discussions on that Estimates range from 500$ to $1500 for an all-dash hangar. Plus ~$1500 if you want to insta-upgrade to level 12, including silver and gold for speedups. $300 per Haechi seems like a decent assumption. So, 33% non-dash robots. Or 33% of the legend players didn't fall for the spending madness. It's probably worth noting that these guys probably don't have to pay for the gold and silver necessary to instant upgrade to lvl 12. They play often enough and have probably been saving gold long enough to do the upgrades without RM. I don't play enough to have a huge stockpile of silver, but if I did, I've got enough gold to instance max upgrade maybe 4 bots if I wanted. I've been saving the gold for a while now and I imagine that they have too.
That said, if they needed extra gold or silver and they're already shelling out cash for the bots, they probably wouldn't bat an eyelash to do it to upgrade them too. Just sayin.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Sept 15, 2017 11:36:13 GMT -5
Grain of salt moment...
It is the initial adoption of these bots. The numbers are going to reflect the novelty of simply learning to pilot these things...I drive a Bluegrassy myself, they are good but they die like many other bots as well...The learning curve, to both pilot and counter the Dashes, is weeks old...lets not freak out in the process of meta reformation and restructuring...When the Brit bots/Lancelot dropped it had the same effect and filled hangers the same way...Much in the same OP way.
I get the crys to nerf the things, but we have not given the games mech meta balance time to recenter and balance out. That being said, personally, I think the nerfs will only be token at best.
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Post by Poopface on Sept 15, 2017 11:44:39 GMT -5
Orkan Haechi 31
Tarancilot 12
Orkan Bulgarasi 9
Taran Bulgarasi 9
Orkan Kumiho 9
Taran Haechi 5
DB Griff 4
Scourge Bulasari 3
Treb Butch 2
Zues Fury 2
Tempest Fury 2
RDB Griff 2
Plasmahad 1
Tulu Rog 1
Punisher Griffin 1
Orkan Doc 1
Scourge Haechi 1
PDB Griff 1
Punisher Griffin 1
DB Rhino 1
Stuka Griff 1
Orkan Ancilot 1
100
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Post by seanh on Sept 15, 2017 12:37:19 GMT -5
Orkan Haechi 31
Tarancilot 12
Orkan Bulgarasi 9
Taran Bulgarasi 9
Orkan Kumiho 9
Taran Haechi 5
DB Griff 4
Scourge Bulasari 3
Treb Butch 2
Zues Fury 2
Tempest Fury 2
RDB Griff 2
Plasmahad 1
Tulu Rog 1
Punisher Griffin 1
Orkan Doc 1
Scourge Haechi 1
PDB Griff 1
Punisher Griffin 1
DB Rhino 1
Stuka Griff 1
Orkan Ancilot 1
100
I find it surprising that there's only one Orkan Ancilot listed and zero Thunder/Orkan Lances. I presumed they needed all thier Orla a for their Dashes? But it is odd. |
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Post by seanh on Sept 15, 2017 12:38:16 GMT -5
Not sure who Orla is, but I clearly have some subconscious 「dookie」 going on.
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Post by bronzeknee on Sept 15, 2017 15:39:07 GMT -5
I get the crys to nerf the things, but we have not given the games mech meta balance time to recenter and balance out. That being said, personally, I think the nerfs will only be token at best. This is gold. And with that logic, if Pixonic released the invulnerable Schutze from the test server, you'd tell us that you understand the cries to nerf it, but let's give the meta some time to recenter and balance out? But seriously, people are setting records for damage with the Dash Robots at the highest levels. We don't have to see how the meta shakes out to understand they are broken. And the nerfs might be token at best and that is precisely because the meta will always balance itself out even with the invulnerable Schutze. We would just all run Schutzes like we plan to all run Dash Robots if we want to be competitive. So actually, it can be counterproductive from a game design standpoint to let the "meta" settle when you have something blatantly overpowered. Because the meta will settle around that, and players will be annoyed when you change that. |
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Post by tonyfla on Sept 15, 2017 16:06:08 GMT -5
So just 3 bot types account for 72% of the top 20 hangars. So glad that I suck and will never reach upper tiers. Would be bored crapless. By the way, seanh, thanks for doing the work and posting it. Appreciate the effort. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 17:05:23 GMT -5
So just 3 bot types account for 72% of the top 20 hangars. So glad that I suck and will never reach upper tiers. Would be bored crapless. By the way, seanh , thanks for doing the work and posting it. Appreciate the effort. it's always been more or less like that: Rhino, Boa, Fury Galahad, Griffin, Fury, Lance Lance Lance, Griffin Big Dash, Baby Dash, Super Dash Not saying the dash aren't overpowered (esp. Haechi aka Super Dash) but the meta has always been adapted to in the top - and tbh playing dash is way more fun, on a whole different level, than boring boring lancelot ever was. Now, what they need to do is a major nerf to SuperDash (remove the ancile), minor nerf baby dash (hp 150 -> 120k) and big dash (hp 190 -> 170k) and then make them available for gold. And drop this influence/key/whatever currency they have going. |
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