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Post by Mechman-Mechout on Sept 12, 2017 12:24:27 GMT -5
Thanks to a very high number of compulsive gamblers, the Black market has been a thriving source of income, which is wonderful for Pixonic but horrible for the rest of us, the peasants who refuse to shell out for macro-transactions. I say that, because the Black market is obviously only generating so much revenue because it's the only way to own a Korean bot, a.k.a. the most sought-after bot-class to ever be released. And making those bots available to the public, no matter how insane a price they are assigned, will mean a significant drop in gamblers, and therefor a drop in revenue.
However, gold sales account for most of Pixonic's revenue, and with a sizable chunk of the Au-only bots being either unviable in the current meta (all Brits save the Lancelot) or simply neglected altogether (Rogatka*, Fury) I can't imagine sales have been very high lately. The Korean's release would doubtlessly provide a substantial boost to that business. But then again, I, obviously, can't see Pixonic's sales numbers and so I can't make any reasonable assertions. It's still worth a discussion, though.
*Rogatkas have little more battlefield presence than a Wild Bunch bot, regardless of how marvelous people claim it to be.
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 12, 2017 12:45:28 GMT -5
I'm hoping that in a month or so, they will be available via IP like the WW bots. I've been saving mine. And today, I missed the Kumiho by one slot! Grr... Oh well, a third zeus means I only have to get the Fury now in order to build a zeus Fury.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Sept 12, 2017 13:05:56 GMT -5
Because there is a large contingent of 'free to play' in this game, there needs to be aggressive means to entice the people who pay Pixonics bills to spend. Sorry, I spent/spend a fair amount on this game and the perks should be Dash bots for me to play with... Fair has absolutely nothing of relevance in these matters.
If spenders are not getting perks they stop and the game goes down the 「dookie」ter..
Envy is a terrible thing admittedly, but its all in ones own head, and no one is responsible but themselves for the agony.
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Post by bronzeknee on Sept 12, 2017 13:08:27 GMT -5
But on the flip side, I'd be willing to spend more on the game, but I don't want to gamble. If Pixonic sold the Dash Robots for cash, I'd buy one.
And fair has everything to do with this. There are people on this forum who spent 10 bucks and got a Dash, and people who spent $300 and didn't.
So it isn't even pay to win, it is gamble to win.
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Post by fatdogmagic on Sept 12, 2017 13:11:27 GMT -5
They will be available during the Halloween event
is my best guest.
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Post by Mechman-Mechout on Sept 12, 2017 13:16:57 GMT -5
Sorry, I spent/spend a fair amount on this game and the perks should be Dash bots for me to play with... Fair has absolutely nothing of relevance in these matters. Why do you believe you should be the only one to use Koreans? The previous reasons you gave only apply to Pixonic, and even then are fairly dubious.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Sept 12, 2017 13:21:54 GMT -5
Maybe when Kim Jong Uns' reign of power comes to an end.
Ooooh wait... you meant the bots... on the game..
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Post by Mechman-Mechout on Sept 12, 2017 13:25:31 GMT -5
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 12, 2017 13:28:26 GMT -5
Sorry, I spent/spend a fair amount on this game and the perks should be Dash bots for me to play with... Fair has absolutely nothing of relevance in these matters. Why do you believe you should be the only one to use Koreans? The previous reasons you gave only apply to Pixonic, and even then are fairly dubious. I don't think he meant that he should be the only one -- I think he's saying that as a paying player, it should be a shorter trip to owning one than having to pay more money for a 1-in- chance of winning one in a lottery. I think.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Sept 12, 2017 13:40:36 GMT -5
Well, in fairness you only said "Korean's" and made no mention of "bots" and well, I just couldn't resist. ? In all seriousness, I don't even wanna try to speculate. My guess is they will be sold for RM first and then some outrageous amount of Au or IP. Either way, I'm not getting my hopes up because even if they become available tomorrow, people like myself who don't spend real money on the game probably won't be able to afford the amount of whatever currency they will be available for, for another 6 months.
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Sept 12, 2017 14:06:59 GMT -5
I hope they release it with ip I have lots of ip
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Post by Deadeye on Sept 12, 2017 14:29:20 GMT -5
I hope they release it with ip I have lots of ip I don't think I would mind that...as long as IP can still be bought with gold. I got so much gold, I feel like this guy...
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Post by BooBooKitty on Sept 12, 2017 15:16:07 GMT -5
I would suspect that when they are released for straight purchase it will not be for gold, IP, or any currency you can save up. Aside from an entirely new currency like "Gems" or some nonsense, I think they will be released for a set price of black market keys. Because the keys get reset every two weeks you won't be able to save for a dash bot, it will still force users to pay with cash or go without one. Once their profits on the dashbot gamblers start to decline to a sufficient level, I am expecting them to release the bots in another cash-only pricing scheme. And then after another couple months of milking those players, maybe they will release them for IP or gold.
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Post by Mechman-Mechout on Sept 12, 2017 15:47:41 GMT -5
I would suspect that when they are released for straight purchase it will not be for gold, IP, or any currency you can save up. Aside from an entirely new currency like "Gems" or some nonsense, I think they will be released for a set price of black market keys. Because the keys get reset every two weeks you won't be able to save for a dash bot, it will still force users to pay with cash or go without one. Once their profits on the dashbot gamblers start to decline to a sufficient level, I am expecting them to release the bots in another cash-only pricing scheme. And then after another couple months of milking those players, maybe they will release them for IP or gold. I'm thinking this is the most accurate prediction so far, simply because of how depressingly greedy it is.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Sept 12, 2017 15:59:49 GMT -5
But on the flip side, I'd be willing to spend more on the game, but I don't want to gamble. If Pixonic sold the Dash Robots for cash, I'd buy one. And fair has everything to do with this. There are people on this forum who spent 10 bucks and got a Dash, and people who spent $300 and didn't. So it isn't even pay to win, it is gamble to win. Which is lottery, and the only fair, non biased way to do it.
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 12, 2017 16:17:34 GMT -5
I would suspect that when they are released for straight purchase it will not be for gold, IP, or any currency you can save up. Aside from an entirely new currency like "Gems" or some nonsense, I think they will be released for a set price of black market keys. Because the keys get reset every two weeks you won't be able to save for a dash bot, it will still force users to pay with cash or go without one. Once their profits on the dashbot gamblers start to decline to a sufficient level, I am expecting them to release the bots in another cash-only pricing scheme. And then after another couple months of milking those players, maybe they will release them for IP or gold. I figure Pixo is making a lot of money via black market. I wouldn't expect this to change. Maybe the chances to win a Korean bot will be improved slightly. Remember the WW, who weren't avaiilable at all for a long time, after nobody bought them for ridiculous prices. Pixo will wait until a decent number of Korean bots has made it into the lineups, many players will then realize that they are that good, they won't be available to buy during the Halloween event, and then a lot more players will decide to spin the wheel. They may give us the Tempest for gold, and maybe the WW bots for WSP. The optimistic scenario (optimistic?) would be that a Dash costs 14k event currency, or 100 bucks plus some grinding.
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Post by Mechman-Mechout on Sept 12, 2017 16:46:39 GMT -5
But on the flip side, I'd be willing to spend more on the game, but I don't want to gamble. If Pixonic sold the Dash Robots for cash, I'd buy one. And fair has everything to do with this. There are people on this forum who spent 10 bucks and got a Dash, and people who spent $300 and didn't. So it isn't even pay to win, it is gamble to win. Which is lottery, and the only fair, non biased way to do it. I wouldn't go so far as to call it completely non-biased, dude. The lottery is still quite obviously skewed to reward players who pay more for their chests than those who don't, for even though there are a few ridiculously lucky players who received Koreans even without pouring a month's worth of savings down the drain, there are even more who've nothing to show for their efforts. Meanwhile, people who've poured a hundred or so bucks into the lottery pool have very rarely come up empty-handed. The privileged are rewarded for their flagrant spending and the less fortunate or more reluctant players are not, which, in a way, almost mirrors the pre-Black market Au situation, only in this case the less privileged have even less opportunity to acquire the same boons. At least you can save Au with enough time, but the Black market has been intentionally set up to discourage exactly that. So in effect, what you have is a system that is explicitly meant to cater to one demographic only, the paying players. As War Robots isn't a Pay-to-win, this isn't a particularly serious issue, but at the same time you can hardly call it a fair or non-biased move towards the playerbase.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Sept 12, 2017 17:06:55 GMT -5
This is just my experience with War Robots. About 12 hours after I got a rog they were nerfed. A couple weeks before I finished leveling my Gep seal clubbing hangar Pix made Geps obsolete. My Galahad is level 11 now and Pix has ruined them now. I may never even bother finishing leveling it. Maybe I just have horrible luck or timing. I'm pretty convinced though that if I spent money to gamble and was lucky enough to win a Dash, just about the time I had it maxed Pix would ruin it too. More than anything else, Pix incessant meddling with the balance of bots is the biggest reason I won't spend money on this game.
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Post by dude on Sept 12, 2017 17:08:33 GMT -5
If you believe you'll ever be able to buy them, then you haven't been playing too long. Pix has never really released the WW bots. They cost IP rather than Au and they aren't worth the Au/IP that they're charging. (as you can tell because no one is using them)
Basically, Pix will nerf them sometime to make the players spend more $$ to buy whatever new bot/currency they come up with.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Sept 12, 2017 21:02:48 GMT -5
I would suspect that when they are released for straight purchase it will not be for gold, IP, or any currency you can save up. Aside from an entirely new currency like "Gems" or some nonsense, I think they will be released for a set price of black market keys. Because the keys get reset every two weeks you won't be able to save for a dash bot, it will still force users to pay with cash or go without one. Once their profits on the dashbot gamblers start to decline to a sufficient level, I am expecting them to release the bots in another cash-only pricing scheme. And then after another couple months of milking those players, maybe they will release them for IP or gold. I'm thinking this is the most accurate prediction so far, simply because of how depressingly greedy it is. I think you can bank on the release going pretty close to the West bots roll out...Gamble or wait it out.
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Post by The VVatcher on Sept 12, 2017 22:11:04 GMT -5
Because there is a large contingent of 'free to play' in this game, there needs to be aggressive means to entice the people who pay Pixonics bills to spend. Sorry, I spent/spend a fair amount on this game and the perks should be Dash bots for me to play with... Fair has absolutely nothing of relevance in these matters. If spenders are not getting perks they stop and the game goes down the ?poo-poo?ter.. Envy is a terrible thing admittedly, but its all in ones own head, and no one is responsible but themselves for the agony. There are spenders that still didn't get what they want. Fact of the matter is the Dash bots are not guaranteed so they created resentment. How many people spent $200 and didn't get any; and how many spent just as much and didn't get exactly what they want -- Bulgasari rather than Haechi. How much money would they have made if they just released each one for $100. People with ful hangars would have spent at least $500 (more for Scourge). And those that spent $200 would have gotten two of exactly what they want. Wouldn't this have been a viable approach to profit? The availability of them is a problem. It's not just a matter of envy that people are getting upset. The Dash bots are meta bots and important to competitive players. I never ever heard of anything like what Pixonic been doing. Imagine if iconic characters like Ryu in Street Fighter needed to be purchased or gambled to be used. How much popular would that game have been? It would not have the same credibility that it retained for years as a competitive game. And then there are a large majority of players including myself that will take what we can get and roll with it. How long are we gona last until we get bored playing the same thing over and over.
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Post by imnobody on Sept 13, 2017 0:39:33 GMT -5
These devs are very clever. If they make the items accessible to buy them you'll have enough collection and you'll be settled for the rest of your life you won't even think about going back and spend anymore. so they used a tactic (their last line of defense . And they're all probably feeling cozy'ed up as I speak right now) where we have to gamble get what we want, and sometimes we spend this much and still don't get what we want.. This is a way to constant generate revenue. I know the dev's need to find a way to provide an income and pay utility bills, internet are expensive AF to run a server and that ?poo-poo? can be expensive , but the strategy is not contraposition logic. There are other honest way of making a living, this is not one of it. Has anyone ever see these '' offer deals''? it's a ?firetruck?ing joke. Keeping the best items far out reach and putting the trash up front is a laughable joke (it like a ?firetruck?ing tease) .
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Post by danny on Sept 13, 2017 1:50:42 GMT -5
Just watch what they do with the WW bots and you'll know what is going to happen for the Korean bots. With one major difference, of course. The WW bots are hardly desirable while the Korean bots are pure meta, so expect the time period to be much longer for the latter.
This is the best advice for us, non-Las Vegas gamblers: Just be happy with your old bots and stop desiring these new ones. This is the path the game will take from now on with all new bots and weapons. We are the hand-me-down stepchildren. Just take it with a stoic smile on your face.
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Post by danny on Sept 13, 2017 1:54:13 GMT -5
These devs are very clever. If they make the items accessible to buy them you'll have enough collection and you'll be settled for the rest of your life you won't even think about going back and spend anymore. so they used a tactic (their last line of defense . And they're all probably feeling cozy'ed up as I speak right now) where we have to gamble get what we want, and sometimes we spend this much and still don't get what we want.. This is a way to constant generate revenue. I know the dev's need to find a way to provide an income and pay utility bills, internet are expensive AF to run a server and that ?poo-poo? can be expensive , but the strategy is not contraposition logic. There are other honest way of making a living, this is not one of it. Has anyone ever see these '' offer deals''? it's a ?firetruck?ing joke. Keeping the best items far out reach and putting the trash up front is a laughable joke (it like a ?firetruck?ing tease) . They don't care. As long as enough people are being duped by their spectacular 90% discounts, they will continue doing it.
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Post by danny on Sept 13, 2017 1:57:41 GMT -5
Because there is a large contingent of 'free to play' in this game, there needs to be aggressive means to entice the people who pay Pixonics bills to spend. Sorry, I spent/spend a fair amount on this game and the perks should be Dash bots for me to play with... Fair has absolutely nothing of relevance in these matters. If spenders are not getting perks they stop and the game goes down the ?poo-poo?ter.. Envy is a terrible thing admittedly, but its all in ones own head, and no one is responsible but themselves for the agony. There are spenders that still didn't get what they want. Fact of the matter is the Dash bots are not guaranteed so they created resentment. How many people spent $200 and didn't get any; and how many spent just as much and didn't get exactly what they want -- Bulgasari rather than Haechi. How much money would they have made if they just released each one for $100. People with ful hangars would have spent at least $500 (more for Scourge). And those that spent $200 would have gotten two of exactly what they want. Wouldn't this have been a viable approach to profit? The availability of them is a problem. It's not just a matter of envy that people are getting upset. The Dash bots are meta bots and important to competitive players. I never ever heard of anything like what Pixonic been doing. Imagine if iconic characters like Ryu in Street Fighter needed to be purchased or gambled to be used. How much popular would that game have been? It would not have the same credibility that it retained for years as a competitive game. And then there are a large majority of players including myself that will take what we can get and roll with it. How long are we gona last until we get bored playing the same thing over and over. "Viable approach to profit" is irrelevant to Pixonic. "More profitable approach" is what counts.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Sept 13, 2017 2:49:03 GMT -5
Aren't gambling is not good
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Post by thypoonhunter on Sept 13, 2017 5:02:22 GMT -5
IMAO Wait a moment and I do not think that acts that would aid them if you are sanctioning North Korea are right.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Sept 13, 2017 5:52:26 GMT -5
Because there is a large contingent of 'free to play' in this game, there needs to be aggressive means to entice the people who pay Pixonics bills to spend. Sorry, I spent/spend a fair amount on this game and the perks should be Dash bots for me to play with... Fair has absolutely nothing of relevance in these matters. If spenders are not getting perks they stop and the game goes down the ?poo-poo?ter.. Envy is a terrible thing admittedly, but its all in ones own head, and no one is responsible but themselves for the agony. There are spenders that still didn't get what they want. Fact of the matter is the Dash bots are not guaranteed so they created resentment. How many people spent $200 and didn't get any; and how many spent just as much and didn't get exactly what they want -- Bulgasari rather than Haechi. How much money would they have made if they just released each one for $100. People with ful hangars would have spent at least $500 (more for Scourge). And those that spent $200 would have gotten two of exactly what they want. Wouldn't this have been a viable approach to profit? The availability of them is a problem. It's not just a matter of envy that people are getting upset. The Dash bots are meta bots and important to competitive players. I never ever heard of anything like what Pixonic been doing. Imagine if iconic characters like Ryu in Street Fighter needed to be purchased or gambled to be used. How much popular would that game have been? It would not have the same credibility that it retained for years as a competitive game. And then there are a large majority of players including myself that will take what we can get and roll with it. How long are we gona last until we get bored playing the same thing over and over. Dammed if they do damned if they don't. Either way, gambling or 150 dollars per bot would have garnered just as much complaint...They are out, and chances are you might get one... What else can be said. The West bots followed the same line...
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Post by beaconator2000 on Sept 13, 2017 7:49:50 GMT -5
I would suspect that when they are released for straight purchase it will not be for gold, IP, or any currency you can save up. Aside from an entirely new currency like "Gems" or some nonsense, I think they will be released for a set price of black market keys. Because the keys get reset every two weeks you won't be able to save for a dash bot, it will still force users to pay with cash or go without one. Once their profits on the dashbot gamblers start to decline to a sufficient level, I am expecting them to release the bots in another cash-only pricing scheme. And then after another couple months of milking those players, maybe they will release them for IP or gold. This is unfortunately probably the correct answer.
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Post by leee on Sept 13, 2017 7:55:37 GMT -5
Well, in fairness you only said "Korean's" and made no mention of "bots" and well, I just couldn't resist. ? In all seriousness, I don't even wanna try to speculate. My guess is they will be sold for RM first and then some outrageous amount of Au or IP. Either way, I'm not getting my hopes up because even if they become available tomorrow, people like myself who don't spend real money on the game probably won't be able to afford the amount of whatever currency they will be available for, for another 6 months. Because of him. Every south Korean male has a duty for being soldier. I waste 2years for it. Can't have phone in the army, can't see my family and friends. All I got from army is HATRED to kim
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