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Post by MCYL on Sept 10, 2017 19:04:31 GMT -5
 Want a superchest? You better pay. Resetting every 14 days is a sure way to limit decent prizes drawn. They even had the humour to call it "restocking" |
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Post by tsunkai on Sept 10, 2017 19:06:30 GMT -5
Notice how we did not get 100 free keys?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 19:10:42 GMT -5
Notice how we did not get 100 free keys? Yeah, that was very nice of them. |
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Sept 10, 2017 19:14:53 GMT -5
Notice how we did not get 100 free keys? that was very greedy thing |
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Post by MCYL on Sept 10, 2017 19:20:29 GMT -5
 They even wipe the record so you can't see how badly you won 30+ Nashorns. |
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Post by pirateb0t on Sept 10, 2017 19:31:40 GMT -5
Prizes were seriously abysmal. No way will I spend any money on such low odds. You'd be better off taking that $100 and "investing" it in your state lottery.
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Post by Domino on Sept 10, 2017 19:38:40 GMT -5
If you are using free keys to win prizes. Please don't complain
For all the other people that spent money and won nothing. You played right in thier gambling hand.
For the people that gambled and won what they wanted? You played right in thier gambling hand
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Post by MCYL on Sept 10, 2017 19:40:33 GMT -5
Prizes were seriously abysmal. No way will I spend any money on such low odds. You'd be better off taking that $100 and "investing" it in your state lottery. There's a key difference, in the state lottery you can fire up excel and work out what odds you have of winning. Not in War Robots. In a lottery, what you've won could be used for anything else other than lottery. They, along with getting bored with the game prevented me from having a go. Here's where my money will go..  Fun, exciting and over the last 3-4 years fairly rewarding (Thanks Floyd) |
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Post by MCYL on Sept 10, 2017 19:47:05 GMT -5
If you are using free keys to win prizes. Please don't complain For all the other people that spent money and won nothing. You played right in thier gambling hand. For the people that gambled and won what they wanted? You played right in thier gambling hand Exactly! The devs don't need to know a thing about setting odds because they will NEVER lose. As unlike a book keeper needing to pay up on upset losses, the reward offered is financially worthless, unregulated and effortless to issue. This is one of the reasons why buying tokens , winning then demanding refunds is almost not enforceable. Because nothing of worth is gained it isn't fraud. I wonder if they have set the prize global drop-rate on a slider then fiddle it up and down whilst watch revenue intake from Apple. |
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Sept 10, 2017 20:00:31 GMT -5
If you are using free keys to win prizes. Please don't complain For all the other people that spent money and won nothing. You played right in thier gambling hand. For the people that gambled and won what they wanted? You played right in thier gambling hand Exactly! The devs don't need to know a thing about setting odds because they will NEVER lose. As unlike a book keeper needing to pay up on upset losses, the reward offered is financially worthless, unregulated and effortless to issue. This is one of the reasons why buying tokens , winning then demanding refunds is almost not enforceable. Because nothing of worth is gained it isn't fraud. I wonder if they have set the prize global drop-rate on a slider then fiddle it up and down whilst watch revenue intake from Apple. Sorry, completely false. You pay real money for KEYS, and NOT a Korean Bot (or whatever it is you desire from the wheel). Pix provides the keys for the price you agree to pay. Hence the service you desired (KEYS) was provided in said transaction. It becomes fraud when the buyer receives their keys, doesn't like that the gamble they took didn't work (or in other cases where it did) and then requests a refund. Webster's: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right was accused of credit card fraudb : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick automobile insurance frauds If you received the keys that you purchased, you received your good/service from Pix. To request a refund AFTER consuming said good/service (under a false claims to a third party) is absolutely fraud. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 20:30:59 GMT -5
Pixonic should at least give us 100 keys every single time they 'reset their stocks'.
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Post by MCYL on Sept 10, 2017 20:34:54 GMT -5
Exactly! The devs don't need to know a thing about setting odds because they will NEVER lose. As unlike a book keeper needing to pay up on upset losses, the reward offered is financially worthless, unregulated and effortless to issue. This is one of the reasons why buying tokens , winning then demanding refunds is almost not enforceable. Because nothing of worth is gained it isn't fraud. I wonder if they have set the prize global drop-rate on a slider then fiddle it up and down whilst watch revenue intake from Apple. Sorry, completely false. You pay real money for KEYS, and NOT a Korean Bot (or whatever it is you desire from the wheel). Pix provides the keys for the price you agree to pay. Hence the service you desired (KEYS) was provided in said transaction. It becomes fraud when the buyer receives their keys, doesn't like that the gamble they took didn't work (or in other cases where it did) and then requests a refund. Webster's: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right was accused of credit card fraudb : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick automobile insurance frauds If you received the keys that you purchased, you received your good/service from Pix. To request a refund AFTER consuming said good/service (under a false claims to a third party) is absolutely fraud. I thought of that. Yet Pix has done nothing about it. There's even more money there. Why not go for it? I figure they could get a patent troll lawyer in the larger markets and send bulk settlement fees |
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Post by T34 on Sept 10, 2017 21:12:45 GMT -5
Exactly! The devs don't need to know a thing about setting odds because they will NEVER lose. As unlike a book keeper needing to pay up on upset losses, the reward offered is financially worthless, unregulated and effortless to issue. This is one of the reasons why buying tokens , winning then demanding refunds is almost not enforceable. Because nothing of worth is gained it isn't fraud. I wonder if they have set the prize global drop-rate on a slider then fiddle it up and down whilst watch revenue intake from Apple. Sorry, completely false. You pay real money for KEYS, and NOT a Korean Bot (or whatever it is you desire from the wheel). Pix provides the keys for the price you agree to pay. Hence the service you desired (KEYS) was provided in said transaction. It becomes fraud when the buyer receives their keys, doesn't like that the gamble they took didn't work (or in other cases where it did) and then requests a refund. Webster's: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right was accused of credit card fraudb : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick automobile insurance frauds If you received the keys that you purchased, you received your good/service from Pix. To request a refund AFTER consuming said good/service (under a false claims to a third party) is absolutely fraud. The issue here is that this is highly unregulated gambling in the first place. That comes before any other consideration in terms of precedence. The returns on investment are also obscure and Pix can increase or reduce the pay out at will based on revenue trends from the slot machine without informing the participants. this would not pass any real world litmus tests if it wasn't an online game with which the regulatory authorities haven't got to grips with yet.
Therefore when you receive keys from pix 1. you don't know the value of goods that you have received for exchange of RM all you know is that you have given them real money (In other words you were conned - give me money and I will give you something back). 2. if you spent say $300 and get basically nothing in return there is nothing to stop you from going to apple and asking for a refund on the basis of pix conning you.There is no evidence to the contrary, no published returns, constant in game incentives to gamble,- the moral high ground is with the claimant.
I am not too optimistic whether this argument would wash with apple or your credit card supplier but at least it registers a complaint.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 10, 2017 21:17:15 GMT -5
Want a superchest? You better pay. Resetting every 14 days is a sure way to limit decent prizes drawn. They even had the humour to call it "restocking" while this weekend was particularly bingy for me. I was able to knock off two golds in a bout 3 days of time. I suspect had I played optimally with key grinding in mind (that is, ONLY do damage, get in top slot, and deliberately tank rating without going leaver que, you could in fact earn a super chest, *IF* you put your mind to it in the same way you had to in order to complete those multi stage quest events. you probably dont need to tank rating, but winning brings higher ranked opponents AND teammates..who usually better weapons, meaning you will be at a disadvantage. I am more interested in laddering at this point rather than spinning a wheel for junk. and golds produce dash bots just fine. so no need to get a super for it. just my 2 cents. |
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Post by linearblade on Sept 10, 2017 21:23:36 GMT -5
Want a superchest? You better pay. Resetting every 14 days is a sure way to limit decent prizes drawn. They even had the humour to call it "restocking" on a side note, if none of us spent money, this game would not exist. while we may spend 20 bucks one time, pixonics server and staffing costs are not one time. keep in mind, there are only threeways to do this: 1) charge monthly subscription 2) ensure a constant flow of new players to pay one time. 3) get existing players to pay for service diablo 2 is a game that is free after you buy it, it was awesome. much better than diablo 3. it was also forgotton and abandoned. b/c there is no way to support new revenue for developement. now, blizzard enjoys massive economy of scale so they are able to offer things cheaper... but for pixonic? I doubt they have a revenue even remotely close to blizzard (vivendi) |
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Sept 10, 2017 21:26:05 GMT -5
T34You're trying to combine two separate arguments into a single one. The issue of whether you're getting what you paid for (keys) is totally different from the probability roll on the wheel. I'd argue you know the exact value of the good you purchased (Keys). When you purchase them there is an exact USD (or whichever currency you're using) to amount of Keys. There is zero deception as to how many keys you'll receive for $xx.xx. Whether those keys will get you something from a RNG spin is a totally different issue. I don't think Pix in any way has hidden the fact that spinning chests is all about chance. If you're arguing you don't know what the exact odds are to pull a KBot, then this follows every other gambling game you can play. Try taking a computer and camera to Vegas and film a game so you can auto update your blackjack odds (e.g. Card Counting). You'd get kicked in a second. Being unhappy that the odds suck on a new content roll is a far cry from Pix committing any type of fraudulent action when selling Keys.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 10, 2017 21:26:11 GMT -5
a final problem with all games that offer subscription models, is that there will STILL be a black market for services above the basic fee. we saw this in games like WOW and everquest.
to not offer a multi tier product would be foolish.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Sept 10, 2017 21:35:31 GMT -5
As for Pix adjusting the odds on the RNG. You do know that Vegas casinos change the payout rates on slot machines on a regular basis right? They never tell customers that they've made the machines looser/tighter. Vegas is probably the most regulated gambling location in the U.S., so I'm thinking there is zero issue with Pix tweaking the wheel as they seem fit.
From a personal note, I know Pix has done it before. The Anniversary event I rolled 7k into 24k Au early in the event. Tail end I ran another $50 worth of Au and made significantly less. I could definitely tell the wheel was dropping Bots and weps way more the second time around. Wasn't a fan of them doing it then, and I certainly wouldn't be a fan of them doing it again..
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Post by MCYL on Sept 10, 2017 22:07:02 GMT -5
As for Pix adjusting the odds on the RNG. You do know that Vegas casinos change the payout rates on slot machines on a regular basis right? They never tell customers that they've made the machines looser/tighter. Vegas is probably the most regulated gambling location in the U.S., so I'm thinking there is zero issue with Pix tweaking the wheel as they seem fit. From a personal note, I know Pix has done it before. The Anniversary event I rolled 7k into 24k Au early in the event. Tail end I ran another $50 worth of Au and made significantly less. I could definitely tell the wheel was dropping Bots and weps way more the second time around. Wasn't a fan of them doing it then, and I certainly wouldn't be a fan of them doing it again.. I didn't know that. I thought the overall system (if only one machine, that unit. If a network of slots, all units together) is legislated to return 90% of intake minus GST/VAT where it applies. |
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Post by WilsonK on Sept 10, 2017 22:25:41 GMT -5
Want a superchest? You better pay. Resetting every 14 days is a sure way to limit decent prizes drawn. They even had the humour to call it "restocking" Lololololol...... Better pay up, we just "re-stocked" the market! Purchase your keys to play the never-ending lottery!Me be like... 「fluffernutter」 nope, thanks!  |
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Post by pirateb0t on Sept 11, 2017 0:35:55 GMT -5
Prizes were seriously abysmal. No way will I spend any money on such low odds. You'd be better off taking that $100 and "investing" it in your state lottery. There's a key difference, in the state lottery you can fire up excel and work out what odds you have of winning. Not in War Robots. In a lottery, what you've won could be used for anything else other than lottery. They, along with getting bored with the game prevented me from having a go. Here's where my money will go.. Fun, exciting and over the last 3-4 years fairly rewarding (Thanks Floyd) Yep. Betting on boxing or MMA or going to a strip club and making it rain with one hundred $1 bills is a better investment than gambling with BM. |
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