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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 11, 2017 9:44:10 GMT -5
I will try to refrain from ranting but I am very disappointed in my first month of playing War Robots. My first frustration is with matchmaking. I first saw advice saying not to level up your bots, but when I switched and rolled with all level 1s I saw no difference in the levels of my opponents. I am a silver 1000 and was recently paired against a 6k player in one of my matches. I'm consistently paired with higher than 3k players. The point being... if I know I'm going to get dominated by top players why would I even bother with the grind of gathering silver/gold when the top spots will always be taken? That leads to my second frustration which is also a question...is the grind worth it? The game play is spectacular when it is a level playing field but I have no idea how good I am when higher level players are grabbing all the glory. Not enough resoruces leads to very slow upgrades. My 3rd frustration is the recent delays or bugs regarding trying to get a match. First few weeks have been no problems but now all the sudden I can't even get to play without a long delays. Then when finally paired, Frustration 1 takes effect. Welcome to the forums... The one thing that I did not see posted, and forgive me if I missed it... was what platform you are playing on? Here is why that is important: If you are on iOS or Android, then maybe LQ, yes (Although I'm beginning to wonder if it is still there). IF, however, you are on Amazon or FB Gameroom... facing Champs after the first few games that have AI bots... is normal. Not nearly enough people in the pool to choose from to keep matches... semi-fair. As the population grows, this will change. IMO, YMMV.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 9:49:47 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 He is on Android and yes LQ is active there. But not populated with players as NQ.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 11, 2017 10:02:26 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 He is on Android and yes LQ is active there. But not populated with players as NQ. Not to be difficult, but I would really like some confirmation that it is active still. I have had reason to doubt and can't get a straight answer. I, personally, still play every game all the way through, but know of a few that have just given up on caring since BR has had a LOT of campers dropping in a first bot loaded down with Trebs and if they see them... are skipping a lot of maps, and they haven't seen a difference (last time I checked anyway.) Also, there have been so many lag filled games where leaving was the only possible way to keep sanity for some folks. Not even getting to play their first bot for a whole 30 secs... and I don't mean actual DCs where they get the Hangar button... but just horribly laggy games that don't allow then to do anything at all, and it sure looks like they are FK or tanking. Does anyone know for sure if it is still active? Or if it is confirmed that it is active... if maybe it wasn't for a while once the BM hit? Just curious.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 10:49:40 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 When I say something related to the game mechanics or LQ. It's most of the time true because I test it myself or someone else done it. Do you want proof of battles I had in LQ only because I decided to test the Tempest range damage at 800m and skipped Valley, Moon, Death City (6-7 skips) thinking that LQ is disabled. Still no Tempest on the Test server so I had to do it on live server (For science) Leaver Queue is active from last week still not populated with players and longer times occur. I even connected to chinese and indian proxies just to get faster MM times. From this morning fighting against some Champs. I'm out now. But for every skip you need to play 3 games. Haven't tested LQ on iOS but I guess is active there as well.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 11, 2017 10:57:24 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 When I say something related to the game mechanics or LQ. It's most of the time true because I test it myself or someone else done it. Do you want proof of battles I had in LQ only because I decided to test the Tempest range damage at 800m and skipped Valley, Moon, Death City (6-7 skips) thinking that LQ is disabled. Leaver Queue is active from last week still not populated with players and longer times occur. From this morning fighting against some Champs. I'm out now. But for every skip you need to play 3 games. OK, cheers, I will pass on the warning that it seems to still be active and if they DO care at all about not getting put in there, that at least 1 person that I tend to give weight to what they say, is experiencing it. BTW... sorry to hear that you got put there... I have felt for a while that skipping maps during the countdown should not be counted... and the perfect example is because of what you described. Custom games will hopefully fill that role of testing setups... but until then.... ugh.
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Post by CharismaticReaper99 on Sept 11, 2017 10:58:22 GMT -5
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Post by Firebeard on Sept 11, 2017 11:06:48 GMT -5
Silver League is a nightmare. I chose to upgrade weapons rather than mecha. The extra damage, with lower armour gives greater Silver returns because Repair costs are kept low .. and that's really where the crux is. If you purchase Premium, you can earn 180-240k per Match easily in Silver League. Returns diminish as you upgrade, regardless of League, though. You'll need to do exponentially greater damage with stronger weapons if you wish to maintain a good Silver return, if you have high-level equipment. Pixonic has opened up the MM because "Tankers" have deliberately manipulated their Score and this has inflated both Silver and Bronze League(s). It's a vain attempt to have high-level Players engage high-level Players, regardless of Standing(s). It's a novel idea but hurts honest Players. I was stuck in Silver for 3 months with more than 1300 Wins, at the time. I know exactly what you're going through. The Matches become easier in higher Leagues but the Players are worse *This does not reflect reality, this is a distortion of the truth*Â - [ no teamwork like Silver League - This also just misleading to say!...Really. So, you're not missing much lol I am sure you are explaining this accurately?? So you're saying all the champion clans & players have no teamwork & matches are easy one word - BULL「dookie」.You are in Gold... lets see - Diamond / Expert / Master... you have a ways to go to be in Higher Leagues... you THINK!SoCalAs a matter of fact, No. I see all sorts of Players; Gold, Diamond, Silver, Bronze and Tankers that should be Champions. So, I have a very well rounded view of the level of effort put forth by Players from most Leagues. The only Players that even try to coordinate and even come to your aid, at their own expense, are [honest] Silver and Bronze. This isn't just my viewpoint. It is the position held by many Players. No offense, SoCalGrndR but do not pontificate unless you are present for the plight and struggling of the person(s) expressing concerns.
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Post by Firebeard on Sept 11, 2017 11:19:34 GMT -5
Silver League is a nightmare. I chose to upgrade weapons rather than mecha. The extra damage, with lower armour gives greater Silver returns because Repair costs are kept low .. and that's really where the crux is. If you purchase Premium, you can earn 180-240k per Match easily in Silver League. Returns diminish as you upgrade, regardless of League, though. You'll need to do exponentially greater damage with stronger weapons if you wish to maintain a good Silver return, if you have high-level equipment. Pixonic has opened up the MM because "Tankers" have deliberately manipulated their Score and this has inflated both Silver and Bronze League(s). It's a vain attempt to have high-level Players engage high-level Players, regardless of Standing(s). It's a novel idea but hurts honest Players. I was stuck in Silver for 3 months with more than 1300 Wins, at the time. I know exactly what you're going through. The Matches become easier in higher Leagues but the Players are worse - no teamwork like Silver League. So, you're not missing much lol Firebeard You actually still refuse to realize why it's hard for you in Silver leagues? I can't stand level 4 Docs THEY ARE SO SLOW. Upgrade them to level 9 and see the difference yourself. And you will gain more silver every game. IT'S TESTED. Also don't use hybrid range builds. Orkan Doc (300m) and Tulu Molot Doc (500-800m) will be better. You're misunderstanding my viewpoint. I was not concerned about meching-out, survivability, weapons, etc... I was always top 3 in Match Standings. But I could not breach into Gold League. My points were kept in a very tight band which indicated that it was done by design. I fully intend to upgrade my mecha and weapons. It was neither strategy nor upgrades that brought me out of Silver - it just happened.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 11:33:57 GMT -5
Firebeard You actually still refuse to realize why it's hard for you in Silver leagues? I can't stand level 4 Docs THEY ARE SO SLOW. Upgrade them to level 9 and see the difference yourself. And you will gain more silver every game. IT'S TESTED. Also don't use hybrid range builds. Orkan Doc (300m) and Tulu Molot Doc (500-800m) will be better. You're misunderstanding my viewpoint. I was not concerned about meching-out, survivability, weapons, etc... I was always top 3 in Match Standings. But I could not breach into Gold League. My points were kept in a very tight band which indicated that it was done by design. I fully intend to upgrade my mecha and weapons. It was neither strategy nor upgrades that brought me out of Silver - it just happened. The only thing that determines league is a) you have the points to league up, and b)end your 5 placement matches with enough points over the last league limit. If you don't have the points your not getting a league up
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Post by GuitarGuy on Sept 11, 2017 11:59:25 GMT -5
For iOS at this time the LQ does not exist. I had a guy leave my clan this past week because he didnt want to deal with champion league anymore and I have strict no tanking rules. He left and I have followed his stats. He tanked down to high Silver and even changed his name. I was permanently stuck in LQ for map skipping till this past update. I'm champion and the lowest I see is Diamond unless they are squading. then you will catch gold players. I never see low level players now ( thank god) and its mostly expert and above. Because PIX is losing its upper league players they have to put us against lower level players just so we can get games. Funny,they say the MM only bases matches off of league points and nothing else. If that were true, why does it take way longer to get games than it ever did with the old hangar based system that factored in multiple things? Simple. It doesnt. I am convinced the MM bases your match more off the players win rate than anything else. I get many games when the MM wants to beat me down because im over 70% win rates and you do the math adding up total league points on each side and its rarely even close if your win stats are up. The first step to fixing a problem is to recognize that there is one to begin with. Pixonic is still in denial that there is a problem with the MM so dont expect it to change anytime soon.
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Sept 11, 2017 12:09:59 GMT -5
Should I make a video about getting out of lq because I have good tactic for it and it works
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 12:19:14 GMT -5
For iOS at this time the LQ does not exist. I had a guy leave my clan this past week because he didnt want to deal with champion league anymore and I have strict no tanking rules. He left and I have followed his stats. He tanked down to high Silver and even changed his name. I was permanently stuck in LQ for map skipping till this past update. I'm champion and the lowest I see is Diamond unless they are squading. then you will catch gold players. I never see low level players now ( thank god) and its mostly expert and above. Because PIX is losing its upper league players they have to put us against lower level players just so we can get games. Funny,they say the MM only bases matches off of league points and nothing else. If that were true, why does it take way longer to get games than it ever did with the old hangar based system that factored in multiple things? Simple. It doesnt. I am convinced the MM bases your match more off the players win rate than anything else. I get many games when the MM wants to beat me down because im over 70% win rates and you do the math adding up total league points on each side and its rarely even close if your win stats are up. The first step to fixing a problem is to recognize that there is one to begin with. Pixonic is still in denial that there is a problem with the MM so dont expect it to change anytime soon. I believe you are correct, if I am 70%++ I get champion league games. If I am 60% I get league games. If I am 50% I get scrub games. It's been that way since diamond.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Sept 11, 2017 12:40:14 GMT -5
If im at 70% + i will usually be the only Champion on my side with mostly expert and diamond players in blue with the occasional Master. The other side will usually have 3 Champions, a couple of master or expert and one diamond. When I add up combined league points for both sides there will be as much as 7000 league points difference in the teams, but there win stats will be very close to each other. The only way to overcome this is to squad. This is usually how I get to 70% plus. If I go solo afterwards, its a complete beat down till I get to 40% or just stop soloing and only run with my guys. Morst of the top tier players with really high win stats no this and will only play in a full squad. This is another reason why the MM has a hard time matching upper meta players solo. The good ones wont go solo and only run in full squads.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 12:56:55 GMT -5
If im at 70% + i will usually be the only Champion on my side with mostly expert and diamond players in blue with the occasional Master. The other side will usually have 3 Champions, a couple of master or expert and one diamond. When I add up combined league points for both sides there will be as much as 7000 league points difference in the teams, but there win stats will be very close to each other. The only way to overcome this is to squad. This is usually how I get to 70% plus. If I go solo afterwards, its a complete beat down till I get to 40% or just stop soloing and only run with my guys. Morst of the top tier players with really high win stats no this and will only play in a full squad. This is another reason why the MM has a hard time matching upper meta players solo. The good ones wont go solo and only run in full squads. Makes sense, I often see partial squads full of champions
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 11, 2017 14:12:25 GMT -5
Seems you haven't fought in silver for a long time. How many times have you went through Silver on a new account? I've went through Silver multiple times across different devices and platforms. Twice, or three times if you count facebook gameroom. My main (which is now Diamond), and my daughters account is still in silver. (She lost interest, mostly, and I lost interest in an alternative account with all the clubbing going on.) I admit that was before LQ was introduced, when tanking may have been even more rampant than today. Lots of tankers in Silver 3 at the time.
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Post by T34 on Sept 11, 2017 17:47:26 GMT -5
Pix REALLY needs to let new players know about the LQ. It must be utterly baffling, and must put so many players off the game. Just a simple notification would be fine. Absolutely!
The majority of players would not know anything about the LQ and if they haven't got the gear they will probably put the game down when they get blown up by a 12 griff or lance time after time.
Pix needs to make players aware somehow. if they can create pop up messages (like the BM has been reset) they can surely create a message warning people about the alternative queue.
It makes me wonder why on earth they wouldn't do that??
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 11, 2017 18:09:43 GMT -5
Pix REALLY needs to let new players know about the LQ. It must be utterly baffling, and must put so many players off the game. Just a simple notification would be fine. Absolutely!
The majority of players would not know anything about the LQ and if they haven't got the gear they will probably put the game down when they get blown up by a 12 griff or lance time after time.
Pix needs to make players aware somehow. if they can create pop up messages (like the BM has been reset) they can surely create a message warning people about the alternative queue.
It makes me wonder why on earth they wouldn't do that??
Very good, and oft asked, question.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Sept 12, 2017 4:08:31 GMT -5
It's an outrage how Pixonic treats new players. After all, they would be their main source of income. LQ is strictly an in-house problem, they introduced a "new, improved" matchmaking that made things a lot worse, because it encouraged tanking. To combat tanking, they introduced LQ. Now LQ is heaven for tankers (easy gold there), while honest players suffer, often because they don't know about LQ. And all they had to do to solve this was to go back to hangar based matchmaking, which had a few warts, but those would have been easy to cure. Actually if you look closely you will notice that the tankers are not being punished at all by being put in the LQ. The only reason that any tanker will end up in the LQ is if they are leaving/skipping matches. That's it. Because there are very very few tankers in the LQ. They're mostly in the regular queue clubbing hell out of lower upgraded players. Believe me, I know this very well from over four 「fluffernutter」ing months of being "punished" and tortured in there. Those highly upgraded players in the LQ aren't tanking at all. They're keeping their huge rankings and just skipping out on the maps that they don't like to play on. That's why it's not called the Leavers and Tankers Queue. It's just for leavers and the poor drooling noobies that get thrown in there for gods know what reasons.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Sept 12, 2017 4:20:06 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 He is on Android and yes LQ is active there. But not populated with players as NQ. Not to be difficult, but I would really like some confirmation that it is active still. I have had reason to doubt and can't get a straight answer. I, personally, still play every game all the way through, but know of a few that have just given up on caring since BR has had a LOT of campers dropping in a first bot loaded down with Trebs and if they see them... are skipping a lot of maps, and they haven't seen a difference (last time I checked anyway.) Also, there have been so many lag filled games where leaving was the only possible way to keep sanity for some folks. Not even getting to play their first bot for a whole 30 secs... and I don't mean actual DCs where they get the Hangar button... but just horribly laggy games that don't allow then to do anything at all, and it sure looks like they are FK or tanking. Does anyone know for sure if it is still active? Or if it is confirmed that it is active... if maybe it wasn't for a while once the BM hit? Just curious. 「fluffernutter」 yes the gods d*mned thing got reactivated and they put all of us back in there. Sorry but I'm 「fluffernutter」ing mad as hell about having to put up with that sh*t again. I was really enjoying using my primary profile once again and having decent matches with it when they tripped the breaker. Now it's dark and gloomy once again for the HEATHEN CAT.
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Post by elcheapo on Sept 12, 2017 7:03:45 GMT -5
1. Its very difficult to perfect match making because players all have different skills , bots ,and levels But at least the devs try their best to give us win one / lose one ratio . match making is an art more than a science and not unique to War Robots
2. Reality is this is a freemium game , you pay or you play . If you only play one or two matches daily you wont meet your budget . You need to commit to ten matches at least .
3. The net is working fine for the rest of us ....sorry ? I dont think its an ingame problem .
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 12, 2017 8:15:03 GMT -5
Not to be difficult, but I would really like some confirmation that it is active still. I have had reason to doubt and can't get a straight answer. I, personally, still play every game all the way through, but know of a few that have just given up on caring since BR has had a LOT of campers dropping in a first bot loaded down with Trebs and if they see them... are skipping a lot of maps, and they haven't seen a difference (last time I checked anyway.) Also, there have been so many lag filled games where leaving was the only possible way to keep sanity for some folks. Not even getting to play their first bot for a whole 30 secs... and I don't mean actual DCs where they get the Hangar button... but just horribly laggy games that don't allow then to do anything at all, and it sure looks like they are FK or tanking. Does anyone know for sure if it is still active? Or if it is confirmed that it is active... if maybe it wasn't for a while once the BM hit? Just curious. 「fluffernutter」 yes the gods d*mned thing got reactivated and they put all of us back in there. Sorry but I'm 「fluffernutter」ing mad as hell about having to put up with that sh*t again. I was really enjoying using my primary profile once again and having decent matches with it when they tripped the breaker. Now it's dark and gloomy once again for the HEATHEN CAT. So it WAS off for a bit... and then, without warning, turned back on? Damn HC, that absolutely chaps. Were you still skipping in that account? Or did it put you back in like you had never left?
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Sept 12, 2017 13:14:16 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48Put us all back in as though we had never left. The b*st*rds. The wait time for matches has exceeded an hour at times. I cancel after 3 minutes anymore because it's just not worth the wait. And every cancel is also counted as "leaving/skipping" by Pixonic's log. And that's not taking into account the matches I've had that never actually started or I was the only dropper. Can't do any damage in matches like that. Especially if the timer never starts. And by Pixonic's unspoken standards not doing damage in matches is also counted as "leaving/skipping". Even though my win/loss stayed over 60% the whole time I was running those super chickens and I was making a bunch of Au. At this point I've given up on Pixonic having a shred of honor or ever getting out of the LQ. Spent well over a month as a dedicated ECU beacon capper. 3 to 1? And all the other niggling criteria to boot. Impossible. "Do not leave matches early. Do not skip any maps." I didn't four over four months. Where's that "fair gameplay" Pixonic harps about? I hate tankers. Leavers I'm fine with because back when the LQ was implemented Pixonic told everyone that if players dropped out of matches before the match started that the MM would redirect another player in to replace them. They also said it wouldn't count against players. That doesn't bother me so much. It's a little annoying but not mad worthy. The problem is in how long it takes for the MM to do it. If it even does replace the leaver/s. But without telling anyone Pixonic changed the rules and made that practice a corporal offense. They also neglected to tell everyone the rules or even announce all of the criteria that counts as "leaving/skipping" by Pixonic. "Fair gameplay"? Since I've been in the LQ for so long I'm very familiar with the high ranked players in there. Those people aren't tanking at all. They're just skipping maps they don't want to play, usually as squads. And nothing Pixonic does to them bothers them in the least. And I can confidently say that the only tankers in the LQ got there by leaving/skipping maps and not from tanking their rankings. And they don't stay long in the LQ. Pixonic wants them out in the regular matches clubbing those weaker players into buying those expensive upgrades and equipment. I see that all the time with my lower level profiles that are not in the LQ. Don't believe me? Have a look at the Wall of Shame thread. There are some mighty strong Bronze and Silvers out there.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Sept 12, 2017 15:37:07 GMT -5
I am sure you are explaining this accurately?? So you're saying all the champion clans & players have no teamwork & matches are easy one word - BULL「dookie」.You are in Gold... lets see - Diamond / Expert / Master... you have a ways to go to be in Higher Leagues... you THINK!SoCalAs a matter of fact, No. I see all sorts of Players; Gold, Diamond, Silver, Bronze and Tankers that should be Champions. So, I have a very well rounded view of the level of effort put forth by Players from most Leagues. The only Players that even try to coordinate and even come to your aid, at their own expense, are [honest] Silver and Bronze. This isn't just my viewpoint. It is the position held by many Players. No offense, SoCalGrndR but do not pontificate unless you are present for the plight and struggling of the person(s) expressing concerns. I tend to stand up and rebut when somebody tells me how I walk in my shoes and what my experience is. Not asking me or just relating there OWN experience, but telling me how MY OWN experience is. I can definitely relate to what you are saying about miss matched hangars from tankers/faders whatever. I have had an underpowered hangar since the Leagues started. I have done this solo, taking every variance the MM can throw at me. My Win Rate has been been beaten down in the 20% range countless times. I have 2-11, 2-10, 1-9 level bots in my hangar in Champion League. If you read previous comments, running solo in Champion tier has significant variance/mismatched teams. My 「bum-bum」 gets handed to me on a regular basis. I am not so Arrogant with my words to tell people how their experience is. It is very offensive if you can understand that.
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