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Post by SoCalGrndR on Sept 10, 2017 5:28:45 GMT -5
WoW!
I have never seen so many offers as there have been during this first round of the Black Market. It appears that every few hours there is a new set of 3 offers? I keep thinking at some point I will get repeat offers, but I dont think that has happened yet. The majority of offers now tend to give some rate of return on Silver with a little Gold in them??
It almost appears like they are trying to devalue the regular currency??
IDK, it just seems really strange to get a new set of offers every time I start the game?
Are you guys purchasing these offers? I have only purchased 1 Gold offer for $.99. That is it for me during this entire BM rollout - No Keys purchased.
SoCal
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Post by Poopface on Sept 10, 2017 5:52:28 GMT -5
Seems to me it's a money grab. I have no positive comments that I can make about it.
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Post by llama4president on Sept 10, 2017 5:56:23 GMT -5
They hired one of the Dev's ex-Wives in the marketing department.  |
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Post by Poopface on Sept 10, 2017 7:19:10 GMT -5
I was just thinking....am I the only one who thinks its a little too coincidental that they roll this out right around the same time people notice that silver isn't seemingly rewarded from matches as readily as before?
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Post by moses on Sept 10, 2017 7:40:22 GMT -5
Seems to me it's a money grab. I have no positive comments that I can make about it. Yes, i would not say I am concerned about it and I don't think it is devaluing anything exactly, but it definitely feels like they are looking to maximise revenue this quarter, doubling down on BM key purchases with these offers. i am betting that when Mail.ru releases its third quarter financials in a couple of months they will be highlighting War Robots monetisation, etc. The bit I find weird is the rate of conversion from WSP to gold / cash prices. Yes, technically if you wanted to buy the WSP in one day to get a rhino it may cost 20k+ gold, or a trident 10k gold, but who on earth is doing that? If someone is actually paying US$100 for a rhino then that is something to be really concerned about.   |
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Sept 10, 2017 14:11:29 GMT -5
Another thing that doesnt seem trustworthy..... I agree.
I just wonder from Pix own words... the BM is here to stay. Are the offers going to be non-stop as well. I think some players with control issues are going to go broke!
SoCal
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Post by Kanshou on Sept 10, 2017 14:15:58 GMT -5
I'm not as concerned as I am annoyed. These constant offers are driving my OCD crazy since I have to click on the offer button to make the red alert go away.  |
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Post by ogpondskum on Sept 10, 2017 15:48:00 GMT -5
I'm not as concerned as I am annoyed. These constant offers are driving my OCD crazy since I have to click on the offer button to make the red alert go away. I'm in the same boat. I hate seeing the red alert so I click on them to make them go away. While I think having some offers are great, a new offer every hour seems like overkill. |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Sept 10, 2017 16:24:44 GMT -5
I'm by no means rich, so picking up extra Au and normally really expensive weapons and/or Bots for 70% or more off may be the only way that I'll be able to afford some of the nicer things. A Lancelot for $28.95 US seems cheap for some people, but a little out of my reach. I did pick up a Galahad and a bunch of AU for $19.99 US, and I've picked up an Orkan and extra Au on these "Blue Light" Specials. Sometimes they'll offer up a stack of Au for $0.99 or $1.99, and I'll take advantage of those. The one thing that I really regret is, when these offers first started popping up a while back, one of the offers was for 40 days of premium for like $9.99 US, which is an extra 10 days for free. It may have been cheaper than $9.99. I can't remember exactly. I had just spent some money on an Orkan and some AU, so I decided against getting it. I haven't seen it since.
They regularly offer up a Jesse and some Au for $28.99. I'd like to see them offer up a Doc. I might be tempted for that, even if he is a glass cannon.
I'm picking up extra Au at the discounted prices in the unlikely event they offer Tempest or the Kia Bots for Au. Not sure about Scourge yet. Didn't like it on the test server. If that doesn't pan out, I can always get a couple of Orkan Ancilots with all my extra Au. I don't know. I've piloted a Lancelot on the test server. Seems like driving a toaster oven. Big, bulky, clumsy. If I get to the higher leagues and have to pilot five Ancilots, I may just hang myself.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I find it very humorous, and somewhat confusing that the Pixies are charging discounted prices for Au Bots and weapons, but charge what I would consider astronomical prices for WP Bots and weapons. IMHO the Lancelot is superior to a Rhino, but I'm pretty sure that the Lancelot was cheaper when offered on the specials. The exchange rate is approximately 12 WP's for every Au, yet the WP weapons and Bots seem to cost more on these "Blue Light Specials". Orkans can be had for something like $7.99 US, but Magnums are significantly higher. True, there's no reload on the Magnum, but doesn't the Orkan inflict significantly more damage at least in the short run?
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Post by T34 on Sept 10, 2017 18:18:19 GMT -5
I am a bit concerned about the whole situation as well. I say a bit because I don’t really understand what this sort of marketing will lead to but somehow I have this strange feeling that it wont be a good outcome in the long run. But at a high level my take is
• It devalues everything that they put into a special deal including gold and the gold bots
• The recent round of weapons buffs devalued the gold bots in favour of the silver bots so maybe the discount offers actually reflect their new real value. Thus who pay RM will pay a discounted price which actually is the more correct price while those who grind will have to grind as much as before but receive a less of a benefit. Grinding was de-incentivised as opposed to paying.
• Better gear will push people into higher leagues, however there will be a disappointment when the realisation hits regarding how much levelling is needed.
• The regular gold wins in the BM devalued gold proportionally to the amount of gold that is given away
• BM keys are now the best currency in the game as that is the only currency that can lead to the new stuff. Even costs more than gold especially when considering the discount gold offers
• Special offers are a good tool for opening up the valets of those who were sitting on the fence about spending RM and incentivises regular spending. Once a person is accustomed to spend regularly than its easier to keep spending.
Net result of all this? The game is more focused on the player who pays and devalued grinding as a grinder will grind just as hard for something as before and not get the same benefit. The grinder will have virtually no chance at getting the new stuff either. So my concern is that this will reduce playtime for players and possibly reduce the number of participants in the game in favour of more revenue. Pix needs to be really careful because there is a balancing act between revenue generation and player numbers.
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Post by zer00eyz on Sept 10, 2017 19:54:25 GMT -5
Pixies are charging discounted prices for Au Bots and weapons, but charge what I would consider astronomical prices for WP Bots and weapons. IMHO the Lancelot is superior to a Rhino, but I'm pretty sure that the Lancelot was cheaper when offered on the specials. Welcome to buyer psychology 101. One of my jobs has a set of products that NEVER gets discounted. It will get bundled (full price w free gift or free shipping), but never discounted and it is one of our oldest and by far our least popular product. Why? Because it makes every other offer and sale look that much better (for things folks want and desire)... This is decoy pricing in action! |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Sept 10, 2017 20:14:55 GMT -5
Pixies are charging discounted prices for Au Bots and weapons, but charge what I would consider astronomical prices for WP Bots and weapons. IMHO the Lancelot is superior to a Rhino, but I'm pretty sure that the Lancelot was cheaper when offered on the specials. Welcome to buyer psychology 101. One of my jobs has a set of products that NEVER gets discounted. It will get bundled (full price w free gift or free shipping), but never discounted and it is one of our oldest and by far our least popular product. Why? Because it makes every other offer and sale look that much better (for things folks want and desire)... This is decoy pricing in action! I suppose you have a point. But I'm not convinced just yet. I think Rhino and Magnum are the only WP weapons I've seen offered. I'm curious to see if the WP Bots and weapons will be discounted in the future. |
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Post by ogpondskum on Sept 10, 2017 20:26:25 GMT -5
Welcome to buyer psychology 101. One of my jobs has a set of products that NEVER gets discounted. It will get bundled (full price w free gift or free shipping), but never discounted and it is one of our oldest and by far our least popular product. Why? Because it makes every other offer and sale look that much better (for things folks want and desire)... This is decoy pricing in action! I suppose you have a point. But I'm not convinced just yet. I think Rhino and Magnum are the only WP weapons I've seen offered. I'm curious to see if the WP Bots and weapons will be discounted in the future. I've seen the Carnage, Tarans, and Trebs offered in addition to the Rhino and the Magnum. |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Sept 10, 2017 20:53:34 GMT -5
Now that you mention it, I have seen the Tarans available, but at God awful prices. I can't say for sure that I've seen the Carnage or Trebs though.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 10, 2017 21:14:21 GMT -5
most of them suck.but I especially enjoy the .99 cents for some silver and gold. its a pretty solid offer for lower levels.
its usually like 600k-1.5m silver + some gold, usually around a days worth of farming or so.
on the other end of spectrum there is 23k au for 100 bucks... also a pretty good deal. thats like buying 5 lancelots for 20 bucks each almost.
the former is very useful and inexpensive at lower tiers.
the latter is useful at all times.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Sept 10, 2017 21:30:34 GMT -5
most of them suck.but I especially enjoy the .99 cents for some silver and gold. its a pretty solid offer for lower levels. its usually like 600k-1.5m silver + some gold, usually around a days worth of farming or so. on the other end of spectrum there is 23k au for 100 bucks... also a pretty good deal. thats like buying 5 lancelots for 20 bucks each almost. the former is very useful and inexpensive at lower tiers. the latter is useful at all times. When I look at all the currency offers, I stop about how much I am getting in return over vs. Prem pack - 30 days. I am less concerned about Au and more for Ag & upgrading level 10+ items. In those terms, these offers have much less return than what I would earn over a 30 day package. I did buy one $.99 pack that was I thought a good Au return, then I started looking at what I really needed, Au doesn't interest me right now. SoCal |
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Post by linearblade on Sept 10, 2017 21:36:15 GMT -5
most of them suck.but I especially enjoy the .99 cents for some silver and gold. its a pretty solid offer for lower levels. its usually like 600k-1.5m silver + some gold, usually around a days worth of farming or so. on the other end of spectrum there is 23k au for 100 bucks... also a pretty good deal. thats like buying 5 lancelots for 20 bucks each almost. the former is very useful and inexpensive at lower tiers. the latter is useful at all times. When I look at all the currency offers, I stop about how much I am getting in return over vs. Prem pack - 30 days. I am less concerned about Au and more for Ag & upgrading level 10+ items. In those terms, these offers have much less return than what I would earn over a 30 day package. I did buy one $.99 pack that was I thought a good Au return, then I started looking at what I really needed, Au doesn't interest me right now. SoCal Yes. I'm the same. Premium is a solid deal. I try to play enough to grind 10mm a day, usually it's higher, but premium in that regard is a solid deal. I took the 3500 AU I got from a gold chest one time and bought the 15m silver (with some of my own gold too), I felt that was a reasonable use of a gold chest. Essentially that pushed one of my meches to 9 weapons. Otherwise I would never spend on ag. Even tho It's by far the most valuable resource In the game. |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Sept 10, 2017 21:54:09 GMT -5
I'm building up Au in hopes of acquiring some more of the more high tier weapons and Bots. I also have a fairly substantial level of WP. I'm continuing to build Au and WP reserves, and fantasizing that the Kias, Scourge, and Tempest may someday be available for one or the other. I emphasize fantasizing, because nothing has been available for mainstream currency since before the WW Bunch hit town. I'll probably stop pretty soon and start focusing my Ag. My 50,000,000 in Ag won't last very long once I get above level 10.
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Post by WilsonK on Sept 10, 2017 22:09:23 GMT -5
It's just their way of trying to dig money wherever they can... lol...
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Sept 10, 2017 22:18:47 GMT -5
Best deal I saw was 21,000Au for $100. Usually you'd have to buy 14,000Au for $100, 6,500Au for $50 and 500Au for $5.
So, $155 for the cost of $100... but you still have to spend $100.
...that and Pixo seems to be devaluing Au...
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Post by Thunderkiss on Sept 10, 2017 23:48:41 GMT -5
Seems like there's a grab bag of offers and the "offer maker" (illegitimate love child of the match maker and RNG) just picks whatever 2-3 are floating at the top.
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Post by T34 on Sept 11, 2017 0:51:29 GMT -5
most of them suck.but I especially enjoy the .99 cents for some silver and gold. its a pretty solid offer for lower levels. its usually like 600k-1.5m silver + some gold, usually around a days worth of farming or so. on the other end of spectrum there is 23k au for 100 bucks... also a pretty good deal. thats like buying 5 lancelots for 20 bucks each almost. the former is very useful and inexpensive at lower tiers. the latter is useful at all times. When I look at all the currency offers, I stop about how much I am getting in return over vs. Prem pack - 30 days. I am less concerned about Au and more for Ag & upgrading level 10+ items. In those terms, these offers have much less return than what I would earn over a 30 day package. I did buy one $.99 pack that was I thought a good Au return, then I started looking at what I really needed, Au doesn't interest me right now. SoCal
You are right.
Gold is cheap, Silver offers are too small to be of any real value and premium is not discounted.
Say 10x L11 to L12 upgrades will cost about 7500 Au. For me that's not a problem. But I cant afford 300M Ag.
My standards are constantly lowered in terms of what upgrade durations I can rush and the offers don't help with that. The offers are for the new players or those who are building equipping their hangers. I have L5 Orks, Zeuses and stuff sitting there collecting dust because they are not levelled enough for use.
And with time all players will start amassing equipment and gold but will struggle with silver. So for the long term player the gold offers are of little value because its silver that's needed and not gold. So reflect before you buy.
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