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Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Jan 12, 2017 3:04:46 GMT -5
Hi everyone! I'm currently facing a tough decision... It has to do with who is the better bot for the tier I am currently in(high silver). Until now I can't figure it out myself, in one hand we have the rhino which I prefer atm but with the upcoming buff the fujin might take the lead and I don't want to be in a situation where I regret wasting my wsp... I currently have 20k wsp saved up and might be able to get 2 fujins if I wait until the update comes, but I don't think I can endure it anymore! Please give me some input on this matter! Thanks.
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Post by DogTrail on Jan 12, 2017 3:21:06 GMT -5
Fujin shield is getting a buff, but it's still very vulnerable to plasma. It doesn't help that they're not making it faster. I'd go with Rhino, since that can be used both in HS or up in gold.
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Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Jan 12, 2017 3:28:53 GMT -5
Fujin shield is getting a buff, but it's still very vulnerable to plasma. It doesn't help that they're not making it faster. I'd go with Rhino, since that can be used both in HS or up in gold. I can see your point very good but with the amount of splash that I am facing right now and not to mention the constant aphid death rain, I am having trouble to imagine my rhino withstanding that, but the fujin could be my savior against those obstacles.
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Post by BLYTHE on Jan 12, 2017 3:59:57 GMT -5
Do you have weapons for either rhino or fujin?
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Post by DogTrail on Jan 12, 2017 4:03:02 GMT -5
While it's true that it's a splashfest due to all the shieldbots, everybody is still carrying plasma, especially the shieldbots themselves. The trouble with Fujin is it has trouble getting out of trouble when faced with something with plasma. If it's facing rockets, then it'll survive for a while, and depending on its loadout it might have enough to kill whatever it's up against. In any case I would go with Rhino. It's not super good, I think the main bots in gold are Galahad, Fury and Griffin, but I think Rhino is much more survivable than Fujin, buff or no buff.
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Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Jan 12, 2017 4:16:17 GMT -5
Yeah very good argument! Thx for your help! I'll go for a rhino and hope it goes well (^_^) and yeah I have enough weapons: 4 tarans, 4 orkans, 4 aphids, 4 magnums and 2 pinatas. I used to play with griffins alot but they are very vulnerable to anything even with their jump, so I hope rhinos big hp stats and its shield will help me stay alive longer. Thx
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Post by Gdu4ever on Jan 12, 2017 4:50:10 GMT -5
I would place the bet on Rhino...but if you really don't want to regret, why don't you keep your Griffins a bit longer?
btw, no matter how they rebalance, the basic nature that Rhino tends to knifefight and Fujin tends to camp will not be altered. you may want take your preference into account.
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Jan 12, 2017 7:00:44 GMT -5
Wouldn't get either. Griffins are better than both.
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Post by DogTrail on Jan 12, 2017 8:25:24 GMT -5
I like the Rhino as a finishing bot, when (hopefully) some of the reds have meched out. It's fast, so it can go after beacons if needed, chase down the remaining bot, and has a good amount of firepower. The Griffin struggles a bit in the beacon-capping role (in my experience, at least).
The Griffin, though. Question to OP - what loadouts did you use with it? It is a bit glassy, but with a properly-leveled DB setup, you can kill pretty much anything in one go. The important thing to master is when to use and not use the jump. It can be for surprise attacks, or for jumping away into cover. For surprise attacks, you better make sure that you kill your target in one salvo. You're screwed if you don't. For the latter, position awareness and detailed knowledge of the map you're on is critical.
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Post by salty af on Jan 12, 2017 8:34:24 GMT -5
I like the Rhino as a finishing bot, when (hopefully) some of the reds have meched out. It's fast, so it can go after beacons if needed, chase down the remaining bot, and has a good amount of firepower. The Griffin struggles a bit in the beacon-capping role (in my experience, at least). The Griffin, though. Question to OP - what loadouts did you use with it? It is a bit glassy, but with a properly-leveled DB setup, you can kill pretty much anything in one go. The important thing to master is when to use and not use the jump. It can be for surprise attacks, or for jumping away into cover. For surprise attacks, you better make sure that you kill your target in one salvo. You're screwed if you don't. For the latter, position awareness and detailed knowledge of the map you're on is critical. Oh, so Griffins' jump doesn't work the same way as Cossacks'? (this is a joke, please laugh for the sake of my self confidence)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 18:25:58 GMT -5
Wouldn't get either. Griffins are better than both. He said high silver. In high silver Rhino > Griffin. With all those Plasma Griffins around in high silver, Rhino is a dominant bot there
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Post by DogTrail on Jan 12, 2017 21:22:35 GMT -5
I like the Rhino as a finishing bot, when (hopefully) some of the reds have meched out. It's fast, so it can go after beacons if needed, chase down the remaining bot, and has a good amount of firepower. The Griffin struggles a bit in the beacon-capping role (in my experience, at least). The Griffin, though. Question to OP - what loadouts did you use with it? It is a bit glassy, but with a properly-leveled DB setup, you can kill pretty much anything in one go. The important thing to master is when to use and not use the jump. It can be for surprise attacks, or for jumping away into cover. For surprise attacks, you better make sure that you kill your target in one salvo. You're screwed if you don't. For the latter, position awareness and detailed knowledge of the map you're on is critical. Oh, so Griffins' jump doesn't work the same way as Cossacks'? (this is a joke, please laugh for the sake of my self confidence) Of course not, because Cossacks are waaayyyyy better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 23:00:43 GMT -5
Rhino all the way. Thing is, you can March a thunder taran boa straight head on into a Fuji, and wax it.
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Post by salty af on Jan 13, 2017 1:38:59 GMT -5
Oh, so Griffins' jump doesn't work the same way as Cossacks'? (this is a joke, please laugh for the sake of my self confidence) Of course not, because Cossacks are waaayyyyy better. Can't agree more
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Post by hedgehog on Jan 13, 2017 3:09:11 GMT -5
Well, good question, and I decided to buy rhino when I was thinking about my first WSP bot. I neve regret it, in high silver it goes well, especially with good team who can damage enemies while they desperatly trying to break your shield. But he is so weak against splash, thunder carnage, galahad or even gareth can destroy him when 1 vs 1 in a tight space. But if piloted well and lucky - you will survive for a long time. Usually I use my taran+aphid rhino for flanking or as an avangard bot for capturing center in yamantau. Speaking about fijin - well, some of my clanmates has one with tarans and sometimes they can deal a huge amount of damage per match. And fujin has some great ability - his weaps are close to the ground, so he can hit f...Nightingale stalkers while stels is on. But I must say - my rhino or plasma galahad kill those fujins everytime I face them - too low hp... So the choice is up to you. I'd try both of them on test server if you still in doubt tho
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Post by frunobulax on Jan 13, 2017 7:43:39 GMT -5
Could someone please post the correct speeds for the Rhino? warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Rhino lists it at 17mph at level 1, but on the shop page it starts at 19mph.
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Post by Cameron on Mar 9, 2017 13:10:05 GMT -5
Rhino better so shalli get it
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Post by RightOn on Mar 9, 2017 13:48:16 GMT -5
This topic was created in January but I'll shoot.
Rhino Hellfire vs Orkan/Taran Fujin
Rhino can fire twin magnums endlessly behind the strongest physical shield in the game. Can run 50 km/h but requires constant adjustments to turn around corners. With twin Orkans it can quickly eliminate an attacker.
With Orkans Fujin can annhilate a Galahad or even Rhino. With the strongest energy shield in the business it can take a deathbutton (135k) to the face. With triple Tarans it has the highest direct fire dps in the game, before reload.
They're both good.
Oh, and Hail Hydra
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 9, 2017 18:27:27 GMT -5
I had a skirmish with a wounded Taran Fujin one time. It had it's shields up and I was in a pinata stalker. I activated stealth and ran under the shields and shredded it. So long story short, get a Rhino.
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Post by DogTrail on Mar 9, 2017 23:40:17 GMT -5
Except, Fujin in any configuration is vulnerable to plasma - whether it be Tarans/Mags, Zeus or Trebuchets (the latter two obviously outside of Orkan, Taran or even Tulumbas range). Rhino meanwhile can eat maybe two full TriFury salvos (assuming imperfect aim, not simply doing the math on damage and hit points). I'd still go with Rhino.
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Post by DogTrail on Mar 10, 2017 3:29:32 GMT -5
Except, Fujin in any configuration is vulnerable to plasma - whether it be Tarans/Mags, Zeus or Trebuchets (the latter two obviously outside of Orkan, Taran or even Tulumbas range). Rhino meanwhile can eat maybe two full TriFury salvos (assuming imperfect aim, not simply doing the math on damage and hit points). I'd still go with Rhino. Assuming the Fury Trident and the Rhino are maxed; 1 Trident: 6,850 x 3 = 20,550 1 Trident Fury: 20,550 x 3 = 61,650 1 Rhino = 172,000hp Something I forgot to say - can eat maybe 2 full salvos withou getting crippled, assuming imperfect aim.
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Post by supreme1394 on Mar 10, 2017 3:34:14 GMT -5
My vote goes to neither the Rhino or the Fujin, but get a Griffin instead. Rhino is basically a suicide bot, it has no way of retreating or changing directions while firing. Fujin is basically a sitting duck bot, its shield is only useful to absorb that first fury trident volley, after that you need sit there for 30 seconds for the shield to fully regen, making you essentially immobile even if one hydra griffin is shooting at you.
Griffin's jump gives you even better survivability than a Fujin, because that jump can evade most missiles + maneuverability that a Rhino can only dream about. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by K A Z on Mar 10, 2017 4:24:55 GMT -5
Between Fuji and Rhino I would go for Griff or Carny ;P
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 10, 2017 10:45:12 GMT -5
Rhino is seen in TT hangars, Fujin is not.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 10, 2017 11:15:04 GMT -5
I love it when "Between A and B, which should I choose?" questions get answered with "C - Z." Personally, having 2 Rhinos and 1 Fujin... I used the Fujin more... but I use neither all the time. They both have their places and neither is crap. WSP bots, more than the other bots in the game, are bots that have tremendous advantages heavily weighted with weaknesses. If you can capitalize on the strengths and account for the weaknesses, they can be outstanding bots. Rhino takes a lot of skill and familiarity to be good, but once you get there, even now, they can be formidable enemies. It is NOT meant to be a suicide bot that you charge up into the middle of 3 foes and stand there, shielded, plinking away with the lights while unable to shoot 2/3 of your firepower, turn, or back away. If you are playing it that way, it's not the Robot's fault that you are dying. Plenty of higher leveled folks still use 1 or even 2 of these on a regular basis, with great results. Fujin is a hell of a damage dealer... 3 medium weapons can kill almost anything in a satisfactory time frame. The shield is nice, but not the only reason to use it. It is a medium, so it has speed enough to not be a hindrance, but is very light on HP. You are vulnerable in this bot. Period. But if you can use it well, especially as a flanker or as a part of a team with a Physically shielded bot in front of you, you can get some good results. There are quite a few higher level peeps that still use it, even if it isn't in their "1st tier" hangar. Also, if you are basing your game choices strictly on TT hangers, then make sure that everything you do is geared towards getting to the top. Personally, I am happy advancing at a leisurely pace and am not expecting to get to 12/12 anytime soon. I like the variety of play at the 9/10 level... it's not all TT Furies, and you can still get diverse enemies and teammates to keep the game from going stale. It allows me, also, to be able to get an untried bot or weapon up to a useable level without too much work in upgrading. Level 9 Weapons are the top of the "quick and easy" upgrade levels. From 9-10, things get much more expensive in Ag and time... so I get to try out quite a lot of configurations. I will eventually pick the 6 or 7 bots and weapon combos to take up as far as I can, but my goal as a player isn't to only get the end game hangar. Play the game in a way that brings you enjoyment. IMO, YMMV
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Apr 12, 2017 21:06:54 GMT -5
I like fujin, i have it one with Orkan and double tarans
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Post by piginapoke on Apr 13, 2017 8:35:03 GMT -5
"I'll go for a rhino and hope it goes well (^_^) and yeah I have enough weapons: 4 tarans, 4 orkans, 4 aphids, 4 magnums and 2 pinatas."
If you opt for the Rhino at least make sure that it is levelled up to be able to withstand missle attacks as otheriwse you might curse the choice. In gold 3 tier I have come across Griffins with level 10 Okrans and Pinatas and they can take out Rhinos in one barrage.
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