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Post by DBCooper on Sept 8, 2017 13:28:51 GMT -5
I snagged a Rog yesterday on a discount deal that popped up, and I have to say I absolutely love the speed and the quick jump cooldown. So much so, that I stripped the orkans off my RDB griffon and swapped in the Rog. Personally, I find the vastly improved mobility more valuable than the 2 pinatas I gave up.
That made me wonder, what is the general consensus ?
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Sept 8, 2017 14:02:19 GMT -5
A db griff serves a different role than a rog, but I will take a db any day over a rog. At the highest level (level 12 weps) the DB does far more damage than a rog. I have both and rog only gets used when I am looking to have fun or capture center. Griff is always in my hanger no matter what.
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Post by moses on Sept 8, 2017 14:12:04 GMT -5
I have a rog that I really love. I ran it alongside 3 griffs (rdb, taran aphid, orkans aphid) and the speed and agility really stand out with minimal trade off in HP. I love it though only with orkans. It is awesome for hit and run, in and out. Very much like a dash. But i think it lacks the versatility of a griffin. Griffin is the universal soldier. You can run a diverse hangar covering all combat roles with just griffins, which just is not the case with rog.
So while I think rog is awesome after the last buff, my vote will always go to griff
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 8, 2017 14:24:28 GMT -5
My vote goes to the Rog of course. I've come to the point that even if I square off against a DB Griffin, I have a pretty good change to take it out. A lot depends of the circumstances of course. I do lose more than I win, but it's always a helluva fight! PDB Griffins on the other hand will toast me almost 100%.
But, I have to say, the only reason I don't run a DB Griffin any more is because I switched to a DB Rhino.
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Post by _psychø on Sept 8, 2017 14:25:34 GMT -5
They both are good in a different way.
Griffin's advantages over the Rog:
More firepower (about 25% in total damage that it can output, it's not too little).
More HP (158k vs 150k on level 12).
Cheaper (1.7m Ag vs 2.5k Au)
So it's better at defending beacons and taking out bots.
Rogatka's advantages over the Griffin:
A lot faster (60km/h vs 35km/h on level 12).
More mobile and easier to move with.
Has a shorter ability cool down time (7 seconds vs 25 seconds)
So it's main use is to capture beacons, of course it can take out bigger bots like a Griffin with weapons like Taran or Orkan but you can't use it as a support/defense bot like the Griffin.
If you can pick the both, then do it.
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Post by hon_shu on Sept 8, 2017 14:28:09 GMT -5
As others have said, they can't be compared even though they seem to be quite similar and it's not really an "or" question. The Orkan Rog is a great bot, but it simply lacks the damage potential of the DB Griffin. In fact, I often run both Orkan Rog and DB Griffin in parallel in BR.
With a DB Griffin, you can take out most other bots (minus Ancile bots) in a single salvo or finish them off by just continuing to shoot after the initial blast. At the same time, a Griffin is rather slow.
The Orkan Rog can be anywhere on the map quickly and is in and out of a fight in no time. But quite often the damage from two Orkans is just not enough to get the job done in a single attack. So more often than not, you'll find yourself hiding behind cover and waiting for Orkans to recharge. Or heading somewhere else to find unsuspecting reds ..
Hope this makes sense.
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Post by DBCooper on Sept 8, 2017 14:38:39 GMT -5
As others have said, they can't be compared even though they seem to be quite similar and it's not really an "or" question. The Orkan Rog is a great bot, but it simply lacks the damage potential of the DB Griffin. In fact, I often run both Orkan Rog and DB Griffin in parallel in BR. With a DB Griffin, you can take out most other bots (minus Ancile bots) in a single salvo or finish them off by just continuing to shoot after the initial blast. At the same time, a Griffin is rather slow. The Orkan Rog can be anywhere on the map quickly and is in and out of a fight in no time. But quite often the damage from two Orkans is just not enough to get the job done in a single attack. So more often than not, you'll find yourself hiding behind cover and waiting for Orkans to recharge. Or heading somewhere else to find unsuspecting reds .. Hope this makes sense. This ^^^  My orkans are only lev 6 and pinatas are only up to 7, so the math probably does change as I have time to level things up. Honestly, all my levelling efforts have gone into gekkos so far. My idea of defense is sniping reds approaching a beacon from as far away as I can be in my Patton, lol Of course, I haven't been playing BR much. That changes things significantly too. |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Sept 8, 2017 14:44:46 GMT -5
My suggestion to go with all the other great opinions above: If you can afford the Au, or even better, if you can find them during one of the frequent "Blue Light Specials", pick up a couple more Orkans. That way, you'll have the best of both worlds. The Rog can cap the beacon, and the Griff can help hold it.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 8, 2017 16:16:37 GMT -5
If it comes down to one or the other... then I would choose Griffon. Hands down. The DB is reason #1. RDB #2. Leadhose #3. PDB #4. Gunship #5. I love the Rog... but the extra damage of a Griff is why Rog is only an occasional occupant of my hangar and at least 1 Griff is almost ALWAYS in there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 16:26:48 GMT -5
Definetly the Griffin. The Rog is way too squishy with all those rockets and plasma around. Moreover, the Rog simply lacks the firepower to take out high-end bots like the Ancile Lancelot and the Griffin. Griffin has one of the best firepower in game and is pretty mobile in dodging rockets and getting to beacons.
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Post by inspirace on Sept 8, 2017 16:32:49 GMT -5
I think the OP's question should compare the DB Griff and Ork Rog, rather than Griff vs Rog in general.
DB Griff vs Ork Rog, it's a matter of preference, and my vote would go to the Ork Rog,
Griff vs Rog, Griff wins easily, because it can bring more weapons to the battelfield and there are many possible setups for Griffs that need more of firepower than speed/agility (e.g. RDB, lead hose, etc)
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Post by infraviolet on Sept 8, 2017 16:41:37 GMT -5
I always have both in my hangar. Hard to say which is better. If you want more firepower, go for a Griffin. If you want more mobility, go for a Rogatka.
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Post by DBCooper on Sept 8, 2017 16:54:48 GMT -5
I realize it's like comparing apples and tomatoes... mainly wondering which one the most people find more fun I suppose part of the reason I value the mobility over the added firepower is the fact that I spend a lot of time sniping. When someone gets my Patton, I like to try to flank em, hunt em down, and assassinate em. |
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Post by ΜØØSE on Sept 8, 2017 17:26:07 GMT -5
I play primarily BR mode, so the Rog just doesn't have the right role for my style of play.
The Rog is an opportunist - its agility and mobility allows it to go after abandoned beacons and dance around cover and jab reds. It can affect a game, but not take or control territory. It doesn't have the HP or the assault power. But it can take advantage in weaknesses when they are present.
The Griffin can create opportunities - it has the ability, with a skilled player, to take out multiple reds. When hiding behind cover, it will prevent the enemy from advancing out of sheer fear.
I will take the Griffin, hands down, because it allows me to force my will upon the opponent. With the Rog, I am only able to take advantage of his mistakes.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Sept 8, 2017 21:33:58 GMT -5
Orkans rog are good. Plus speed and HP makes it can brawling and capping beacon.
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Post by Demosthenes on Sept 9, 2017 3:16:48 GMT -5
I realize it's like comparing apples and tomatoes... mainly wondering which one the most people find more fun I suppose part of the reason I value the mobility over the added firepower is the fact that I spend a lot of time sniping. When someone gets my Patton, I like to try to flank em, hunt em down, and assassinate em. The most fun: hands down (for me) Ork Rog. I always run one, and frequently two, since often my team mates seem to show little interest in capping beacons. They play very differently, so ultimately it is a matter of what suits your style. With regards to the "squishy" comments: level 12 Rog 150,000 HP; level 12 Griffin 158,000 HP. Equally squishy. The advantage of the DB Griffin is that it is, truly, a "Death Button". The Rog excels in mobility, flanking, beacon capping, and finishing off wounded prey. Make a mistake in either and they can both die very quickly. |
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Post by linearblade on Sept 9, 2017 8:00:25 GMT -5
Griffins are obscenely strong offensively. Hard to really compare them. It's finesse vs brute strength.
A better question is rog vs kumi.
There isn't really a fight where the griffin doesn't mess you up, unless he misses you.
It's better armed (slightly) than a haechi / bulga (excepting punisher variants )
That's saying something
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Post by snk on Sept 9, 2017 9:12:14 GMT -5
I run Orkan Rogatka, DB Griffin all the time. But I can't compare them, because they played totally different role. Rogatka is fast with very short jumps cool down which is great for beacon runner, jump out of splash, walk away from disadvantages red etc. while DB Griffin provides more burst damage, reload almost 4 times faster (which critical against Ancile bot which can regenerate), basically it is a killing machine. Depends what your hanger lacks, they both have their strengths and weakness.
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Post by miscanthus on Sept 9, 2017 11:46:21 GMT -5
I run 2 of each and enjoy them in this order:
1) Ork Rog
2) Punisher Rog
3) DB Griff
4) Plasma/Aphid Griff
As others have said, they perform different jobs. The Rog is hit and run, while the Griff is an agile brawler. I personally like the added mobility of the Rog over the Griff's firepower.
You can't go wrong with either bot. Get a couple of each ?
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Post by hon_shu on Sept 11, 2017 14:36:51 GMT -5
I went toe-to-toe with an Orkan Haechi recently in my Orkan Rog on Shenzen and it was an interesting fight that lasted for almost a minute. I still lost but I can see the potential of the Rog here (and of the Haechi, which is really OP, but that's another topic). DB Griffin would just be toast immediately unless the Dash is sleeping and gets ambushed and continues to sleep.
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Post by DBCooper on Sept 11, 2017 17:41:39 GMT -5
I run 2 of each and enjoy them in this order: 1) Ork Rog 2) Punisher Rog 3) DB Griff 4) Plasma/Aphid Griff As others have said, they perform different jobs. The Rog is hit and run, while the Griff is an agile brawler. I personally like the added mobility of the Rog over the Griff's firepower. You can't go wrong with either bot. Get a couple of each ? Bulgasari booted my DB Griff out of the hangar rotation for the time being. I need more Orkans ! I think I'm going to load a Griffon out with molots and rotate him back in though. |
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Post by T34 on Sept 11, 2017 18:04:11 GMT -5
I went toe-to-toe with an Orkan Haechi recently in my Orkan Rog on Shenzen and it was an interesting fight that lasted for almost a minute. I still lost but I can see the potential of the Rog here (and of the Haechi, which is really OP, but that's another topic). DB Griffin would just be toast immediately unless the Dash is sleeping and gets ambushed and continues to sleep. I think you made a valid point that I have experienced as well. when I am in a griff and a haechi comes around the griff is significantly disadvantaged. a rog can put up more of a fight than a griff against the haechi. Should the haechis proliferate in their current form the griffs are going to suffer and the only viable jumpy may be the rog. |
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Post by tonyfla on Sept 11, 2017 19:27:48 GMT -5
Only been playing my Rog a couple days, so can't really give an informed opinion about which is better in terms of winning games - although I suspect Griffin for reasons stated above.
But, and this is a big ol' but, the Rog is wayyy more fun.
It's so fast and nimble, it's like you're everywhere at once in this thing, capping a beacon over here, poking a red in the eye over there. No lumbering around...just running and gunning, playing peekaboo with the reds and constantly crapping in their cornflakes.
Definitely squishy as a loose eyeball, but fun while it lasts.
When my Rog gets smooshed and I switch to my Griffin, it's like I've strapped on lead boots. And I swear I can literally hear the sound of the fun getting sucked right out of the battle. Cause nothing says 'Good times!' like trudging across a big field, firing a few anemic rockets, then trudging back to the nearest cover.
So for fun gameplay, the Rogatka over the Griffin, every time.
Also, in my opinion, it's cutest of all the bots. Looks like a little frog, or a lot like Jar-Jar Binks. If that matters to you.
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Post by WilsonK on Sept 11, 2017 23:16:08 GMT -5
I snagged a Rog yesterday on a discount deal that popped up, and I have to say I absolutely love the speed and the quick jump cooldown. So much so, that I stripped the orkans off my RDB griffon and swapped in the Rog. Personally, I find the vastly improved mobility more valuable than the 2 pinatas I gave up. That made me wonder, what is the general consensus ? Rog is good, agile and still rocks two medium hardpoints. A damn good harasser and for hit & run situations. But I'll still go with the Griffin, universal knifer! |
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