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Post by zeldoran on Sept 1, 2017 21:34:37 GMT -5
Hi All,
Don't waste your money leveling up scourge. I got two and leveled them to 12 and they are pretty terrible. Even at point blank range you are far better off with orkans. I ran with two and an orkan on the new bot, meh. I ran with scourgelot and it was terrible. I even ran it with Lancelot with a max Zeus and max scourges - just bad.
The new robots aren't all that interesting either. Small movements but long cool down and not very durable.
Dont waste your your money on all this new stuff - it isn't even good. All my old stuff is far better...
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Post by Golden Sabre on Sept 1, 2017 23:08:24 GMT -5
Funny thing about this post, it is true for every weapon. You're NEVER going to get that "fix" .....you always feel like this weapon or that bot will make you a force to be reckoned with. The fact of the matter is that Pix makes it so everything is equal for the most part. There is no ultimate death button. Run what is most fun for you, that's your death button
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Post by amidf on Sept 1, 2017 23:49:29 GMT -5
Run what is most fun for you, that's your death button Damn prescient! Who said that first? Gandhi?
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Post by islandmojo671 on Sept 2, 2017 1:29:26 GMT -5
Dint have any of the new weapons but got the light kbot and the med kbot leveled both to 8 and put orkans on them light one is kinda to fast to control yet but med kbot i just love, ancile shield and movement are great. My new favorite bot....
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Post by 7iquid on Sept 2, 2017 1:45:45 GMT -5
This sounds awful. I thought a level 12 weapon would, by nature, be slightly godlike if only because it is maxed out.
The post suggests it just doesn't do enough damage etc and that older bots (e.g. Lance etc) are superior.
I feel sorry for the OP but it's great news in my opinion. It means the scourge isn't as much of a showstopper as thought. I am also at the point where I can consider buying a tarancilot or orkancilot as I have enough gold saved up to do so. I was obviously waiting before buying because of the new bots on the horizon.
I'll follow the post and see if there is an emerging consensus on Scourge. If so then it's Lancelot time.
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Post by inspirace on Sept 2, 2017 2:04:25 GMT -5
This sounds awful. I thought a level 12 weapon would, by nature, be slightly godlike if only because it is maxed out. The post suggests it just doesn't do enough damage etc and that older bots (e.g. Lance etc) are superior. I feel sorry for the OP but it's great news in my opinion. It means the scourge isn't as much of a showstopper as thought. I am also at the point where I can consider buying a tarancilot or orkancilot as I have enough gold saved up to do so. I was obviously waiting before buying because of the new bots on the horizon. I'll follow the post and see if there is an emerging consensus on Scourge. If so then it's Lancelot time. I had the suspicion that this weapon may be a Swiss army knife, works in all range but not exceling in any range. and the battle in TT prefers weapons with burst damage, especially if you have Dash bots. still I would like to try one on Galahad with Punishers, once I got one. and I haven't yet seen these things used in a set of three - on paper, I think it should be as annoying as Gekkos at 600m and much more than that in closer range. would like to hear more second opinions from people who tried them,
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Post by acdcfan on Sept 2, 2017 2:14:51 GMT -5
There was one shooting at me lvl 11 RDB Griff, and did not do much damage. Did not look if it was fully leveled or not, but unless you have 3 of them, you will not be doing much damage with just 1
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Post by cheap on Sept 2, 2017 3:01:35 GMT -5
yea i thought the scourge would be a awesome weapon. was running my lvl9 rog when the blue dasher came my way with 3 scourge i was like ohhhh ?poo-poo? i'am dead got hit by it but only dropped my HP by about 20% i would say,after the battle looked at their hangar they were lvl8 bot with lvl 9/10/10 scourge. thought i would have been roasted by them,very lackluster i must say. maybe they got the Zues bug me thinks? i thought they did way more dmg at that lvl, but i havn't seen many though so lvl 12 might be better i dunno.
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Post by hyderier on Sept 2, 2017 3:27:49 GMT -5
Hi All, Don't waste your money leveling up scourge. I got two and leveled them to 12 and they are pretty terrible. Even at point blank range you are far better off with orkans. I ran with two and an orkan on the new bot, meh. I ran with scourgelot and it was terrible. I even ran it with Lancelot with a max Zeus and max scourges - just bad. The new robots aren't all that interesting either. Small movements but long cool down and not very durable. Dont waste your your money on all this new stuff - it isn't even good. All my old stuff is far better... Are the stats in manual correct? That is, Scourge fires 100 energy cells in 10 seconds, then reloads for 5 seconds? And 100 level 12 Energy cells do 100 x 4800 = 480000 damage at point blank range? This sounds... rather devastating even on a Cossack... Or is the damage 4800 per second, so only 48000 damage per weapon in 10 seconds? This would make sense as damage at 600 meters... How does it drop in function of distance, how much does it do at max range, and is damage increase towards max linear?
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Post by llama4president on Sept 2, 2017 3:35:51 GMT -5
Funny thing about this post, it is true for every weapon. You're NEVER going to get that "fix" .....you always feel like this weapon or that bot will make you a force to be reckoned with. The fact of the matter is that Pix makes it so everything is equal for the most part. There is no ultimate death button. Run what is most fun for you, that's your death button Except for Thunder. And Orkans. And Tarans. Oh wait...
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Post by shakingrabbit on Sept 2, 2017 4:00:46 GMT -5
Do you have a Kbot? Particularly the two smaller ones? If so, have you equipped it on them?
I have been suspicious from the start about Pix's claim that the Scourge is an anti-dash weapon when in fact it sounds like a weapon tailor made for the Dash bots, paticularly the light kbot.
A tracking weapon with distance-variable damage + a bot that can control distance at will but too fragile to be standing still but is too fast for "normal" weapons.
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Post by MCYL on Sept 2, 2017 4:03:11 GMT -5
Well sometimes fancy gear just can't make up for incompetence. Should cap like a champ right? Well, he did match my speed demons On Springfield but some never cease to amaze. This guy capped home 2x and raced past me after I cleared the farm. Pretty sad.
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Post by Poopface on Sept 2, 2017 6:28:52 GMT -5
Run what is most fun for you, that's your death button I played with my "death button" and got a week off of work. Happy?
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Post by Poopface on Sept 2, 2017 6:38:36 GMT -5
Separately, I came across this guy a little bit ago. Despite the P2W hanger, he didn't do very well on Moon. Although he scored about 630k damage, I got more with my much lower-level hanger. He took a lot of needless damage due to poor dodge choices. Once he gets the hang of it, I think he'd score a few hundred thousand more damage.
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Post by llama4president on Sept 2, 2017 6:51:33 GMT -5
I would like to point out that the Scourge isn't supposed to be BETTER than any of the specialized weapons.
The strong point of the Scourge is its versatility. It's not a killer burst weapon. It's a weapon that lets you have the luxury of fighting at 600m outranging most opponents. It's a weapon that becomes even stronger when you get close to the enemy. If you get rushed by a knife fighter, it let's you counter that a little better.
I would say, the key of the Scourge is staying always 50m more than your opponents weapons, be those Orkans or be those Tulumbas/Punishers.
My 2 cents is that right now scourge isn't shining just because everyone is into the Beacon Rush. So it gets outclassed by knife fighting ultra close range weapons.
But in Domination? i think the real versatility of Scourge is there, my friends. Along with a very mobile bot. (not necessarily dashes)
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Post by llama4president on Sept 2, 2017 7:34:13 GMT -5
I was thinking by myself, of the roles in normal MMORPGs.
and i remembered the role of the KITER, meaning someone with very good speed, able to dish damage to the opponent while staying always out of its range.
Basically you harrass someone, attract its attention, he starts chasing you while you start running backward, staying always that bit more out of its range.
And you keep shooting and shooting, while the enemy is UNABLE to hit you.
For this you need a very mobile bot. I think the Kumiho is perfect for this, and the Haechi maybe, as it's a little too slow, but can overcome it with the dash. Bulgasari out of question there, too slow. Rogatka can be very good with it too, as it got the speed and the high mobility.
For this tactic to work obviously, you can't be a beacon capper, as you rely in always staying OUT of range of the closest threat, meaning the closest enemy that could be able to hit you (not necessarily the nearest bot).
By staying always circa 50m more than its weapons we should valuate the Scourges in a new light:
they dish damage with a % damage reduction compared to the weapon you are countering. the reduction compared to the specialized weapon is big, but you have an adaptive weapon that always does -X% than whatever weapon you are countering.
Didn't do math about it, as i don't know what's the formula of Scourge damage reduction tied to range, but i guess some of the math guys here could easily find it, as we got 3 values of that curve.
It would be interesting to see how the Scourges places itself compared to the various weapon per range, and maybe we could spot what the Scourge is more adept to counter.
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Post by _psychø on Sept 2, 2017 7:35:57 GMT -5
Scourge is a gekko for medium slots.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Sept 2, 2017 9:52:39 GMT -5
Hi All, Don't waste your money leveling up scourge. I got two and leveled them to 12 and they are pretty terrible. Even at point blank range you are far better off with orkans. I ran with two and an orkan on the new bot, meh. I ran with scourgelot and it was terrible. I even ran it with Lancelot with a max Zeus and max scourges - just bad. The new robots aren't all that interesting either. Small movements but long cool down and not very durable. Dont waste your your money on all this new stuff - it isn't even good. All my old stuff is far better... Don't worry, your upgrading was probably not in vain. If it sucks too hard then Pix will probably buff it. It's just a question of time I guess.
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Post by moses on Sept 2, 2017 10:01:44 GMT -5
Scourge is a gekko for medium slots. Right - it does feel like that the few times I have been targeted by one in the last few days. Kind of annoying and you need to get out of the way sooner rather than later, but it isn't going to kill you.
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Post by stokr on Sept 2, 2017 10:47:09 GMT -5
The last time they were on TS before going live they could fry a bot under 300m as fast as a PDB and were decent at 600m. I was concerned about them being too OP, so I'm glad to hear they were nerfed before going live.
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Post by zeldoran on Sept 2, 2017 11:51:22 GMT -5
I have three maxed now and it is still underwhelming. At 600 you do almost no damage and it is a gekko but no 1,100 range. At close range it does a little more damage but in no way comes close to real close range weapons. It is overall not good at anything and mediocre at everything. Sad...
it it doesn't really have a place as there are much better sniper bots and much better anything other than sniper bot builds.
If it got ramped up a bit more at close range I think it might start to be what it was supposed to be...
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Post by linearblade on Sept 2, 2017 14:05:29 GMT -5
Hi All, Don't waste your money leveling up scourge. I got two and leveled them to 12 and they are pretty terrible. Even at point blank range you are far better off with orkans. I ran with two and an orkan on the new bot, meh. I ran with scourgelot and it was terrible. I even ran it with Lancelot with a max Zeus and max scourges - just bad. The new robots aren't all that interesting either. Small movements but long cool down and not very durable. Dont waste your your money on all this new stuff - it isn't even good. All my old stuff is far better... So basically this weapon is like a junky punisher, that ignores energy shields while the pun just tears them to shreds. I'm intrigued about your comment on the dash bots. I found them to be overwhelmingly superior to other bots. What made you say they are so mediocre? Dash heavy for instance is basically a superior Lancelot (ancilot excluded) as it serves a different purpose. Has more hitpoints speed better special or same type. Can special twice, holds two charges, cool down faster. 3 mediums zzz... It's like it should be called Lancelot mark 3 instead of dash mark 3... Lancelot prototype = golem Mark 2 = lanc Mark 3 = dash
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Post by bronzeknee on Sept 2, 2017 14:31:45 GMT -5
I would like to point out that the Scourge isn't supposed to be BETTER than any of the specialized weapons. The strong point of the Scourge is its versatility. It's not a killer burst weapon. It's a weapon that lets you have the luxury of fighting at 600m outranging most opponents. It's a weapon that becomes even stronger when you get close to the enemy. If you get rushed by a knife fighter, it let's you counter that a little better. I would say, the key of the Scourge is staying always 50m more than your opponents weapons, be those Orkans or be those Tulumbas/Punishers. My 2 cents is that right now scourge isn't shining just because everyone is into the Beacon Rush. So it gets outclassed by knife fighting ultra close range weapons. But in Domination? i think the real versatility of Scourge is there, my friends. Along with a very mobile bot. (not necessarily dashes) Exactly. And this is why the Scourge isn't really a counter to the Dashes so much as it is one of their best weapons. They can control the range of engagements with Dash, and sit just out of range all the common medium and short range weapons.
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Post by zeldoran on Sept 2, 2017 21:17:13 GMT -5
I would like to point out that the Scourge isn't supposed to be BETTER than any of the specialized weapons. The strong point of the Scourge is its versatility. It's not a killer burst weapon. It's a weapon that lets you have the luxury of fighting at 600m outranging most opponents. It's a weapon that becomes even stronger when you get close to the enemy. If you get rushed by a knife fighter, it let's you counter that a little better. I would say, the key of the Scourge is staying always 50m more than your opponents weapons, be those Orkans or be those Tulumbas/Punishers. My 2 cents is that right now scourge isn't shining just because everyone is into the Beacon Rush. So it gets outclassed by knife fighting ultra close range weapons. But in Domination? i think the real versatility of Scourge is there, my friends. Along with a very mobile bot. (not necessarily dashes) Exactly. And this is why the Scourge isn't really a counter to the Dashes so much as it is one of their best weapons. They can control the range of engagements with Dash, and sit just out of range all the common medium and short range weapons. It doesn't even matter if you control the distance. The scourge is so underpowered you can be at 550 yards with 3 max scourges and you can drain all the way through 2x for 20 seconds of line of sight attack and only take 1/2 the health. The Scourge is Terrible. PIx should be ashamed for just stealing money with such crappy new gear and bots...
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Sept 2, 2017 21:36:21 GMT -5
I smell a stealth nerf here. The Scourge was much more powerful on the TS from what you describe,
You said that 2 full 10 second L12 salvos of LOS hits did less than 1/2 total HP damage on a bot.
I'd say that ththis s is IMPOSSIBLE under the current stated specs, because 3 L12 Scourges at 600m dishes 168K damage ---- and that should kill a Griffin outright. However, you've stated that the bot you hit incurred less than 50% damage, so the data points to a glitch or a nerf in the Scourge.
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Post by MCYL on Sept 2, 2017 21:39:35 GMT -5
I smell a stealth nerf here. The Scourge was much more powerful on the TS from what you describe, You said that 2 full 10 second L12 salvos of LOS hits did less than 1/2 total HP damage on a bot. I'd say that ththis s is IMPOSSIBLE under the current stated specs, because 3 L12 Scourges at 600m dishes 168K damage ---- and that should kill a Griffin outright. However, you've stated that the bot you hit incurred less than 50% damage, so the data points to a glitch or a nerf in the Scourge. He could be hitting rocks with 2 out of 3. Had a p2w going at me on canyon today. Kept scourging again and again while I sold with my center of mass was behind a short post near the bridge. Tulu Doc FTW. Think I'm exaggerating? I've seen worse gekkos don't break rhinos ended up with farm beacon too on 1500hp, too many are stuck with 2 tactics: buy & upgrade.
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Post by fatdogmagic on Sept 5, 2017 13:10:26 GMT -5
For those of you who have them, what is your preferred platform for them (other than dashers which I don't have)? Scourge/Magnum Griffin or Rhino? Scourge/Ancile Lancelot? Scourge/Punisher Griffin or Rhino? Scourge Rog?
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Post by GuitarGuy on Sept 5, 2017 13:38:48 GMT -5
The OP speaks the truth. I too maxed a pair out and put it on a Ancilot. At point blank range they do about the same damage as a set of Maxed Punisher T's at 300M. Definitely underwhelming for sure. The stats show 4800 damage maxed which is total BS. They cant hang with any of the medium weapons like Orks, Tarans or even Tulumbas for that matter.
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 5, 2017 14:00:21 GMT -5
I don't see how the Bulgasari is basically a Lancelot. They are in NO way similar. Lancelot has shield in front. Bulgasari has to crab walk if it wants to use the shield and then you can't see where you're going and you can't fire back.
Too bad about the scourge. I was looking forward to getting it for myself. Wanted to see if it would make my Gareth relevant again.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Sept 5, 2017 16:06:37 GMT -5
Funny thing about this post, it is true for every weapon. You're NEVER going to get that "fix" .....you always feel like this weapon or that bot will make you a force to be reckoned with. The fact of the matter is that Pix makes it so everything is equal for the most part. There is no ultimate death button. Run what is most fun for you, that's your death button I would respectfully disagree kind sir. The Orkan once maxed out is truly a thing of beauty and lived up to all of my expectations. The Griffin loadout with pinatas and Orkans genuinely is a Death Button when maxed and melts virtually anything within range. Max Ork damage is listed at 1890 at level 12. The Scourge is listed at 4800 at 12. I can promise you... The Orkan has 10 times the melting power of a Scourge. My whole reason for leveling it up was based on those final numbers. They gave it the appearance that it did significantly more damage that any other Medium weapon when in fact if falls way short of most EVERY Weapon its compared to.
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