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Post by hurtbot on Aug 29, 2017 22:21:45 GMT -5
We've all seen it happen. Games that were good or even great that finally give their fans/players one too many "UP YOURS" and the base drops off to nothing overnight. Just wondering if anyone has a pool going as to when/if that's going to happen to this game?
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Post by SATmaster728 on Aug 30, 2017 6:43:11 GMT -5
We've all seen it happen. Games that were good or even great that finally give their fans/players one too many "UP YOURS" and the base drops off to nothing overnight. Just wondering if anyone has a pool going as to when/if that's going to happen to this game? and many games have come back, including no mans sky, and oris new dawn beta
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Post by hurtbot on Aug 30, 2017 7:14:29 GMT -5
We've all seen it happen. Games that were good or even great that finally give their fans/players one too many "UP YOURS" and the base drops off to nothing overnight. Just wondering if anyone has a pool going as to when/if that's going to happen to this game? and many games have come back, including no mans sky, and oris new dawn beta True, but that wasn't the question. This game has a pretty strong following and in my opinion the devs have already tested their loyalty to a greater extent than more popular games. I'm just curious where people are thinking that critical mass is, if it even exists, or what kind of insult it would take to push things over the edge. Call it a open call to the armchair sociologists among us.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Aug 30, 2017 12:44:31 GMT -5
and many games have come back, including no mans sky, and oris new dawn beta True, but that wasn't the question. This game has a pretty strong following and in my opinion the devs have already tested their loyalty to a greater extent than more popular games. I'm just curious where people are thinking that critical mass is, if it even exists, or what kind of insult it would take to push things over the edge. Call it a open call to the armchair sociologists among us. no one can ever know. for every person it would probally be different. since i play war so little, for me grind for just silver all the time, no new stuff.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 30, 2017 19:39:06 GMT -5
I've about reached critical mass right now. Two straight days now of the stupidest, crappiest teams, tankers now in EVERY GAME, I'm either getting thoroughly destroyed by everything I go up against or I'm just with 「slow」 teammates who just hand back and don't do ?poo-poo?. Not to mention short-handed almost every game. In one day I dropped from solidly in the middle of D2 back down to D3 -- not that I care about leagues, that's just how bad it's been. I have no idea what's going on, but it's like my whole hangar got nerfed back to level 1. I'm on IOS so I haven't even seen a dash bot or scourge or even a red ticket yet, but I'm about to huck this ?firetruck?ing iPad into a wood chipper. What the hell happened to the game I used to like playing.
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Post by hurtbot on Aug 31, 2017 15:06:31 GMT -5
I've about reached critical mass right now. Two straight days now of the stupidest, crappiest teams, tankers now in EVERY GAME, I'm either getting thoroughly destroyed by everything I go up against or I'm just with 「slow」 teammates who just hand back and don't do ?poo-poo?. Not to mention short-handed almost every game. In one day I dropped from solidly in the middle of D2 back down to D3 -- not that I care about leagues, that's just how bad it's been. I have no idea what's going on, but it's like my whole hangar got nerfed back to level 1. I'm on IOS so I haven't even seen a dash bot or scourge or even a red ticket yet, but I'm about to huck this ?firetruck?ing iPad into a wood chipper. What the hell happened to the game I used to like playing. This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. There are certain degrees of crappy behaviors that accompany multiplayer games that just can't be coded around, and I think most folks can forgive that. However, the tanking situation is one that Pix is perfectly capable of fixing or at the very least minimizing. It's been a problem for several updates and and it continues to get glossed over. The other side of that equation of course is the guy in your league with a maxed hanger that is sucking up all the gold and silver... and again it is a topic that continues to be downplayed. Since the recent update only about 1 in 15 of my games are against players in my league(or even one up/down) I can count on playing against champion and master level players in pretty much every game. I know other people have had similar experiences, but apparently there are others whose experience is entirely opposite. In any case, conventional wisdom is to "just hang in there" until you can max your own hanger, at which point most of the gripes people have go away. Basically the devs are passive-aggressively coercing you into spending as much as you can to avoid having to deal with problems they should really just fix. It seems to me that with each update the devs are upping that ante, practically begging people to quit.
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Post by amidf on Aug 31, 2017 15:40:49 GMT -5
A related question: how bad do things have to get before someone would stop posting in the forums about it and just move on?
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Post by hurtbot on Aug 31, 2017 15:58:17 GMT -5
A related question: how bad do things have to get before someone would stop posting in the forums about it and just move on? My guess would be that the collective IQ of the population would have to drop below about 80. The "just move on" refrain falls under the category of "can't we along just get along?" statements which are not helpful, do not contribute to the overall discourse, and promote apathy.
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Post by amidf on Aug 31, 2017 16:26:03 GMT -5
A related question: how bad do things have to get before someone would stop posting in the forums about it and just move on? My guess would be that the collective IQ of the population would have to drop below about 80. The "just move on" refrain falls under the category of "can't we along just get along?" statements which are not helpful, do not contribute to the overall discourse, and promote apathy. Getting along requires two people to cooperate. Moving on just requires one person to be grown up enough to do what's best for himself.
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Post by hurtbot on Aug 31, 2017 16:58:38 GMT -5
My guess would be that the collective IQ of the population would have to drop below about 80. The "just move on" refrain falls under the category of "can't we along just get along?" statements which are not helpful, do not contribute to the overall discourse, and promote apathy. Getting along requires two people to cooperate. Moving on just requires one person to be grown up enough to do what's best for himself. Just for the record "Getting along" requires nothing of the kind... all it really takes is capitulation; however that is neither here nor there. "Moving on" is an ambiguous phrase but in no context does it HAVE to have anything to do with being "grown up enough to do what's best for himself." In fact, some would argue that being grown up and doing what's best for oneself are mutually exclusive. A defining trait of children in fact is their inability to think or act in a way that's best for anyone BUT themselves. Being pedantic about the manner in which I chose to frame your statement does nothing to invalidate the point.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Aug 31, 2017 17:07:46 GMT -5
hurtbot - thanks for this thread. I feel like I have put up with some things in this game much longer than I should have. If there was a Mechwarrior alternative I wouldn't even be here. But War Robots was fun enough that it satisfied my desire for a mech based game. Like many here I have suffered often at the hands of the matchmaker, which in my opinion has been the biggest glaring flaw in this game. In fact that struggle led me here to the forum, and my very first post was banned by the mods. It detailed my honest struggles and it is called 'Confessions of a Reluctant Tanker'. You can read it here war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/7583/confessions-reluctant-tankerI have learned to accept that the MM is flawed and I am closer than ever to having a Championship League hangar, so I'm almost immune to the MM concerns now. The thing that wears down my morale to the point that I don't know if I can continue is the fact that I HAVE to gamble in order to have any chance (a very small chance at that) in playing the new equipment. Super lame and just plain ethically questionable. And I'm not sure how long I'm willing to perpetuate a game seems shadier with each update and added currency. The short answer is, i don't know where Critical Mass is, but all I know is that I'm closer than ever before. And unfortunately if they ever get there then I won't ever be coming back.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 31, 2017 17:49:46 GMT -5
My guess would be that the collective IQ of the population would have to drop below about 80. The "just move on" refrain falls under the category of "can't we along just get along?" statements which are not helpful, do not contribute to the overall discourse, and promote apathy. Getting along requires two people to cooperate. Moving on just requires one person to be grown up enough to do what's best for himself. Soooooooo.... if these things aren't a problem for you..... do what's best for you. There are a LOT of players playing this game, and obviously many are experiencing the same frustrations. When you have widespread issues like the MM in this game and the kind of behaviors the league system encourages, it's good for players to know they're not the only ones experiencing them.
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Post by hurtbot on Aug 31, 2017 18:47:08 GMT -5
Getting along requires two people to cooperate. Moving on just requires one person to be grown up enough to do what's best for himself. Soooooooo.... if these things aren't a problem for you..... do what's best for you. There are a LOT of players playing this game, and obviously many are experiencing the same frustrations. When you have widespread issues like the MM in this game and the kind of behaviors the league system encourages, it's good for players to know they're not the only ones experiencing them. Very true... I find it interesting how much of this players have put up with and yet continue to play. The rants section is full of those frustrations and nothing Pixonic ever says makes me think there's any end in sight. I was actually hoping someone with a sociology or psychology background more extensive than mine would chime in on the overall dynamic that keeps all these folks playing a game that seems to cause more irritation than enjoyment.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 31, 2017 19:53:30 GMT -5
Soooooooo.... if these things aren't a problem for you..... do what's best for you. There are a LOT of players playing this game, and obviously many are experiencing the same frustrations. When you have widespread issues like the MM in this game and the kind of behaviors the league system encourages, it's good for players to know they're not the only ones experiencing them. Very true... I find it interesting how much of this players have put up with and yet continue to play. The rants section is full of those frustrations and nothing Pixonic ever says makes me think there's any end in sight. I was actually hoping someone with a sociology or psychology background more extensive than mine would chime in on the overall dynamic that keeps all these folks playing a game that seems to cause more irritation than enjoyment. I can tell you that for me, when those frustrating things aren't in play, the game is still a lot of fun. Sometimes it's even fun in spite of those things. There's a lot of cool stuff about this game -- it could just be even better without some of the crap that is very fixable.
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Post by MCYL on Aug 31, 2017 22:01:19 GMT -5
Ah no critical mass for me. I'll just play when friend are on and have a laugh. If there's a writing comp I'll submit one because I like writing. But no pressure to try for a BM only item as it's calculated time is more than I wish to spend. And the cost of everything I want from this release, already decided to spend that amount on a drone and headset. No regrets there. I don't hate Pix for it but the game (for me) has devalued in my limited attention span.
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Post by MCYL on Aug 31, 2017 22:53:06 GMT -5
The biggest risk to Pix is that War Robots is a habit forming game. I.e players will jump on for a few games everyday as routine. Break that and something else will take it's place and gradually player base reduces.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Aug 31, 2017 23:22:54 GMT -5
Just about there. I watched one of those new light dash bots cross Yamantau yesterday and get into the other team's spawn point before all but three of the enemy bots had even dropped into the match. D*mn thing was already a 12/12 bot to boot. Tore the enemy up. Imagine what it's capable of on smaller maps. Worse, imagine more than one doing it. It's going to be just as I predicted when they introduced them to the beta. Hello spawn campers, goodbye War Robots!?
I play several profiles. And one thing I've noticed in all of them is the longer waits for matches to start is getting progressively longer overall. What was taking no more than 15 seconds is now taking well over a minute. The longest wait has been nearly 10 minutes but I don't have the patience to wait more than a minute or possibly two before I cancel and quit playing for the day.
I also have an Amazon account. Despite it's high rating(4.5 stars) the game has just over 330 downloads since June. And I know that well over 30 of those are my own as my Fire won't let me have both Amazon and Google Play versions on it at the same time and I switch out daily. Maybe potential downloaders have read my 1 star review letting them know it has a prison league designed to punish players for playing it the way it is actually designed to be played. Tanked to the max by the high rankers so they can exploit and beat the snot out of those with weaker hangers and take all the rewards so as to induce the weaklings to spend money upgrading.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Sept 5, 2017 6:37:08 GMT -5
Getting along requires two people to cooperate. Moving on just requires one person to be grown up enough to do what's best for himself. Just for the record "Getting along" requires nothing of the kind... all it really takes is capitulation; however that is neither here nor there. "Moving on" is an ambiguous phrase but in no context does it HAVE to have anything to do with being "grown up enough to do what's best for himself." In fact, some would argue that being grown up and doing what's best for oneself are mutually exclusive. A defining trait of children in fact is their inability to think or act in a way that's best for anyone BUT themselves. Being pedantic about the manner in which I chose to frame your statement does nothing to invalidate the point. Why are you arguing about definitions, when Wikipedia exists?
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Post by hurtbot on Sept 25, 2017 12:14:46 GMT -5
Just for the record "Getting along" requires nothing of the kind... all it really takes is capitulation; however that is neither here nor there. "Moving on" is an ambiguous phrase but in no context does it HAVE to have anything to do with being "grown up enough to do what's best for himself." In fact, some would argue that being grown up and doing what's best for oneself are mutually exclusive. A defining trait of children in fact is their inability to think or act in a way that's best for anyone BUT themselves. Being pedantic about the manner in which I chose to frame your statement does nothing to invalidate the point. Why are you arguing about definitions, when Wikipedia exists? The most obvious reason is that apparently there is no shortage of people who, for reasons inexplicable, seem incapable of availing themselves of such information. Why are you sidestepping the issue by asking a question that isn't germane to the argument?
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Post by SATmaster728 on Sept 26, 2017 6:35:10 GMT -5
Why are you arguing about definitions, when Wikipedia exists? The most obvious reason is that apparently there is no shortage of people who, for reasons inexplicable, seem incapable of availing themselves of such information. Why are you sidestepping the issue by asking a question that isn't germane to the argument? because sometime you need to look beyond the surface
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