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Post by soulcoffr on Jan 9, 2017 11:36:23 GMT -5
I'm working on revamping my hangar a bit. I typically play random and I definitely am not a camper. I love to mix it up and take beacons. However, recently I've been running into a lot of higher tier stuff and workshop weapons. My skills aren't up to the task yet and find myself meching out at times. I'm guessing I have something in my hangar that's putting me in a higher tier? I'm not exactly clear on how that works. Here's my latest hangar:
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jan 9, 2017 12:00:24 GMT -5
Your weapons are a little low, should be around the 8-9 area from my experiences here lately
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Post by Trogon on Jan 9, 2017 12:08:17 GMT -5
Your hangar looks fairly well-balanced overall, so I don't think there's anything that should be bumping you up. You will probably enjoy more success if you can get all your weapons to level 6, which should land you at the top of what we call "high bronze tier" most of the time. And the Thunder on your Schutze could probably be level 7 or 8 without affecting your match placement, since it's a light bot. Your Punisher/Molot Patton is not horrible, but is not optimized because the Molots and Punishers have different "sweet spots" for range. You would do more damage in the 300-500m range if you had 4 Molots, and would do a lot more damage in the 100-200m range if you had 4 Punishers. Looking at the rest of your hangar, in the medium-term I would recommend leveling up 2 more Molots to give you more of a mid-range option. Although 4 Punishers at close range are pretty devastating if that's what you prefer.
If you haven't already, start saving gold for your 5th slot. You will find it really helps survivability.
After you have all your weapons on your mediums to level 6, you can start slowly leveling them up to about level 8.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 9, 2017 12:33:44 GMT -5
Yeah, 4/6 mediums, as the MM is now (which is subject to change very soon), will put you at the High Bronze border with Low Silver. Deffo get the 5th slot. As to that mixed Patton... there is a user in the Forums that loves that setup, as it allows for very close to continuous fire since the reload cycles for the Punishers and the Molots are different. However, you can try CRV Pins on that Patton if you want a different but good mid-range option... or go with the 4 Molots like was stated above, for a more suppression type mid-range armament that is close to what you already have. I still find 500m about the ideal range for the Molots for actually servicing targets with real damage, even though it says 800m in the description, but even at 750m the suppression effect can throw off the aim, or spook into hiding, an annoying mid/long range bot. I personally like the Patton with Aphids, Mags, or Pinatas (Like your 2nd one has) in Bronze (More damage potential for that platform), letting a Golem Trident/Crv/Tulum, or Vitz Trident/CRV x2 take the mid-range role, but CRV Pattons are, still, a damn good option. And, also like was said above... the Punisher Patton really is a Shredder up close...think I'll call it that from now on, too... but the Patton doesn't seem to have the endurance for that unless you play a very strong flanking game and can keep from being shot at. Pinatas and Mags are just overall better for the early stages of close-in knife fighting with a Patton. Aphids reign supreme as the king... But... 750 Au makes them out of reach at least until you get that 5th slot. How close are you to getting a Taran for that Boa? That will, most likely, get you an increase in damage and win rates, all by itself, while in Bronze, as there aren't a lot of shield bots around. Coupled with the Thunder and Boa's High HP plus maneuverability? It's a recipe for sweet damage I'd run two of them in Bronze without hesitation.
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Post by Trogon on Jan 9, 2017 12:50:21 GMT -5
Yeah, 4/6 mediums, as the MM is now (which is subject to change very soon), will put you at the High Bronze border with Low Silver. Deffo get the 5th slot. As to that mixed Patton... there is a user in the Forums that loves that setup, as it allows for very close to continuous fire since the reload cycles for the Punishers and the Molots are different. However, you can try CRV Pins on that Patton if you want a different but good mid-range option... or go with the 4 Molots like was stated above, for a more suppression type mid-range armament that is close to what you already have. I still find 500m about the ideal range for the Molots for actually servicing targets with real damage, even though it says 800m in the description, but even at 750m the suppression effect can throw off the aim, or spook into hiding, an annoying mid/long range bot. I personally like the Patton with Aphids, Mags, or Pinatas (Like your 2nd one has) in Bronze (More damage potential for that platform), letting a Golem Trident/Crv/Tulum, or Vitz Trident/CRV x2 take the mid-range role, but CRV Pattons are, still, a damn good option. And, also like was said above... the Punisher Patton really is a Shredder up close...think I'll call it that from now on, too... but the Patton doesn't seem to have the endurance for that unless you play a very strong flanking game and can keep from being shot at. Pinatas and Mags are just overall better for the early stages of close-in knife fighting with a Patton. Aphids reign supreme as the king... But... 750 Au makes them out of reach at least until you get that 5th slot. How close are you to getting a Taran for that Boa? That will, most likely, get you an increase in damage and win rates, all by itself, while in Bronze, as there aren't a lot of shield bots around. Coupled with the Thunder and Boa's High HP plus maneuverability? It's a recipe for sweet damage I'd run two of them in Bronze without hesitation. Excellent points. fwiw, that line between high bronze and low silver seems to be a very blurry one. As I upgraded my medium bot weapons slowly and evenly from 6 to 8, I don't ever remember encountering a sudden increase in difficulty. Also, I hate Aphid Pattons (or at least I hate when the red team has one....or two)
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Post by soulcoffr on Jan 9, 2017 13:36:27 GMT -5
Yeah, 4/6 mediums, as the MM is now (which is subject to change very soon), will put you at the High Bronze border with Low Silver. Deffo get the 5th slot. As to that mixed Patton... there is a user in the Forums that loves that setup, as it allows for very close to continuous fire since the reload cycles for the Punishers and the Molots are different. However, you can try CRV Pins on that Patton if you want a different but good mid-range option... or go with the 4 Molots like was stated above, for a more suppression type mid-range armament that is close to what you already have. I still find 500m about the ideal range for the Molots for actually servicing targets with real damage, even though it says 800m in the description, but even at 750m the suppression effect can throw off the aim, or spook into hiding, an annoying mid/long range bot. I personally like the Patton with Aphids, Mags, or Pinatas (Like your 2nd one has) in Bronze (More damage potential for that platform), letting a Golem Trident/Crv/Tulum, or Vitz Trident/CRV x2 take the mid-range role, but CRV Pattons are, still, a damn good option. And, also like was said above... the Punisher Patton really is a Shredder up close...think I'll call it that from now on, too... but the Patton doesn't seem to have the endurance for that unless you play a very strong flanking game and can keep from being shot at. Pinatas and Mags are just overall better for the early stages of close-in knife fighting with a Patton. Aphids reign supreme as the king... But... 750 Au makes them out of reach at least until you get that 5th slot. How close are you to getting a Taran for that Boa? That will, most likely, get you an increase in damage and win rates, all by itself, while in Bronze, as there aren't a lot of shield bots around. Coupled with the Thunder and Boa's High HP plus maneuverability? It's a recipe for sweet damage I'd run two of them in Bronze without hesitation. I'm definitely working towards the 5th slot. Just takes a while. I like the mixed Patton for exactly that reason. The reloads are out of sync with each other and they're both really devastating at the Punisher's range. The Piñata Patton is nice to run late in the game if needed. Or if a red is sitting on our spawn point. I'm not super close to the Taran for the Boa. I'm trying to level up the weapons to at least 6 and that takes a lot of Ag.
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Post by soulcoffr on Jan 9, 2017 13:40:28 GMT -5
Your hangar looks fairly well-balanced overall, so I don't think there's anything that should be bumping you up. You will probably enjoy more success if you can get all your weapons to level 6, which should land you at the top of what we call "high bronze tier" most of the time. And the Thunder on your Schutze could probably be level 7 or 8 without affecting your match placement, since it's a light bot. Your Punisher/Molot Patton is not horrible, but is not optimized because the Molots and Punishers have different "sweet spots" for range. You would do more damage in the 300-500m range if you had 4 Molots, and would do a lot more damage in the 100-200m range if you had 4 Punishers. Looking at the rest of your hangar, in the medium-term I would recommend leveling up 2 more Molots to give you more of a mid-range option. Although 4 Punishers at close range are pretty devastating if that's what you prefer. If you haven't already, start saving gold for your 5th slot. You will find it really helps survivability. After you have all your weapons on your mediums to level 6, you can start slowly leveling them up to about level 8. Thank you for your input. I'm currently trying to level up all weapons to level 6. I'm definitely saving up for the 5th slot. I'm glad to hear that I'm high bronze/low silver with this setup. That's about where I'm looking to stay right now.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 9, 2017 13:40:48 GMT -5
Yeah, and I just noticed you are just now level 20. Well, a Taran for that Boa might just be the best thing to get with WSP to begin with, then a few mags.
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Jan 9, 2017 13:42:51 GMT -5
Save for four-five Tarans and four Magnums first before buying any other WSP bot/weapons.
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Post by lephturn on Jan 9, 2017 15:02:02 GMT -5
Save for four-five Tarans and four Magnums first before buying any other WSP bot/weapons. What about Orkans? I'm running a hangar with 2/7 lights (on the way to 3/9 lights) and 2/6 mediums. A Thunder, Orkan, Pinata Golem is a heck of a great medium robot. I also have a Plasma Golem with Thunder, Taran, Magnum and although it's pretty good it doesn't have the huge up-front damage capability of the TOP Golem and needs to sit in the open longer to get the damage in. So far I've found for WSP 3 Magnums were a good purchase for a tri-Mag Gep and now I can pass them over to medium bots. Then Tarans - I still run a Taran Cossack and I love it. But for gold weapons, the Orkan is excellent. The Wiki guide suggests it's the top priority after slots 3 and 4. warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Strayed's_list_of_gold_purchases_from_highest_priority_to_lowest
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Jan 9, 2017 16:28:21 GMT -5
Save for four-five Tarans and four Magnums first before buying any other WSP bot/weapons. What about Orkans? I'm running a hangar with 2/7 lights (on the way to 3/9 lights) and 2/6 mediums. A Thunder, Orkan, Pinata Golem is a heck of a great medium robot. I also have a Plasma Golem with Thunder, Taran, Magnum and although it's pretty good it doesn't have the huge up-front damage capability of the TOP Golem and needs to sit in the open longer to get the damage in. So far I've found for WSP 3 Magnums were a good purchase for a tri-Mag Gep and now I can pass them over to medium bots. Then Tarans - I still run a Taran Cossack and I love it. But for gold weapons, the Orkan is excellent. The Wiki guide suggests it's the top priority after slots 3 and 4. warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Strayed's_list_of_gold_purchases_from_highest_priority_to_lowest Yep, Orkans are the best gold weapon in the game. Best thing in my opinion is to buy two Orks before your fifth hangar slot and two after that.
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Post by lephturn on Jan 9, 2017 16:39:07 GMT -5
Yeah I wish I'd done that... oops. By the time I discovered that truth I had 4k gold ready to roll and had wasted my gold on a couple of Gepards. That's what happens when you get clubbed - many players will go out and get the OP bot that they got clubbed with. Now that I have my 5th slot I'm prioritizing Orkans until I have at least 2. I have 2 Tarans and I'll get other stuff after that. Gearing a couple of Boas next and then as I level up weapons I'll get ready to move on to Griffins and eventually included my Rhino. Gareth and Galahad look very sexy as well, but a long way off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 16:47:37 GMT -5
Keep the Pinata Patton but level up the weapons to level 6. The Boa is fine, and you want to get a Taran ASAP to stick on it. Taran Boa is are the lancelots of low silver. Get rid of that Gunship Patton and replace it with a Pinata Thunder Vityaz. Thunder Shlutze is good, but you may want to replace that with another Punisher / Taran Boa.
Do not get magnums until you get 2 Tarans. Don't get orkans before your 5th slot. Orkans are of little use in low tiers, and you need at least 4 to play effectively in high silver/low gold
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Post by lephturn on Jan 10, 2017 9:52:55 GMT -5
But the Wiki gold guide has Orkans even before 5th slot. warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Strayed's_list_of_gold_purchases_from_highest_priority_to_lowest Sorry the apostrophe screws up the link - click it anyway and click the "Sorry did you mean" link. And I wish I'd done that, because I needed a couple of Orkans to make medium bots work, specifically the TOP Golem (Thunder, Orkan, Pinata) and a Thunder/Orkan Boa. That sais you can't go too wrong either way. I agree on 2 Tarans before Magnums. Once you get a Taran your Cossack is a beast that can take beacons, corner shoot, and wreak lots of havok.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 10, 2017 9:58:46 GMT -5
Yes, either 1 or 2 Orkans, or 5th slot, first. Those two purchases are interchangeable. IMO.
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Post by crave1ne on Jan 10, 2017 10:45:18 GMT -5
I just purchased an orkan instead of my 5th spot. And after seeing this post, I may purchase another Orkan for my golem before the 5th slot as well. It takes FOREVER to mine for gold. I had the same trouble with my medium set up, was finding myself getting pushed into the next tier. I made the mistake of purchasing a Leo, which def kept me in that tier. But, the Leo just mowed down golems left and right. So, its hard to go back to a 2 med 2 light hangar now. lol
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Post by 《₩hirl》 on Jan 10, 2017 12:26:45 GMT -5
As far as the Orkans before 5th is concerned, it's a tossup between having 5th a.s.a.p. or having the stuff you want now. Two Orkans is just shy of halfway to 5th.
I bought a Rog before opening 5th, so the whole grind to 5th was a long one. Buuuuuuut it was a fun grind to do.
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