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Post by Humunculus on Aug 17, 2017 18:12:21 GMT -5
I have a 10/10 Plasmahad, and I really liked it. But it melts from missiles. Its getting really hard for me to play because its missile madness. I can do well against other plasma bots, but with missiles missiles everywhere it dies in 1 volley. I also run a Rog with orks thats so much fun. Its just so fragile out there to the rockets that I kinda dread selecting it because I have to be so careful with it. As much as I seek out other plasma bots rockets always seem to find me. I have about 3k in gold, so is it finally time to remove the Plasmahad or change its setup, or buy another Rog?
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Post by wildboar on Aug 17, 2017 18:19:11 GMT -5
put something longer range on the Galahad... punishers? or tulum /pins?
oh and use cover ... the shield isn't unbreakable... corner shoot - it is very good at that
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Post by miscanthus on Aug 17, 2017 18:23:39 GMT -5
Unfortunately, yes
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:44:01 GMT -5
put something longer range on the Galahad... punishers? or tulum /pins? oh and use cover ... the shield isn't unbreakable... corner shoot - it is very good at that I disagree with the Tulumbas Pin part. If you want to use Tulumbas and Pins, use a Griffin, Fujin, Doc. Hell, even a Tulumbas Rog does decent. A 'Russian' Galahad is complete trash it is a huge waste. Punishers, on the other hand, work actually pretty well and it'll be interesting how it plays out with the shield multiplier.
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Post by chaz on Aug 17, 2017 18:49:04 GMT -5
I have a 10/10 Plasmahad, and I really liked it. But it melts from missiles. Its getting really hard for me to play because its missile madness. I can do well against other plasma bots, but with missiles missiles everywhere it dies in 1 volley. I also run a Rog with orks thats so much fun. Its just so fragile out there to the rockets that I kinda dread selecting it because I have to be so careful with it. As much as I seek out other plasma bots rockets always seem to find me. I have about 3k in gold, so is it finally time to remove the Plasmahad or change its setup, or buy another Rog? I've been debating this for a month now. I had leveled my Plasmahad up to 12 and for the longest time it was my go-to bot. I've tried a bunch of different weapon combinations trying to make it relevant again. Right now it's aphids and orkan, but I just can't seem to make it work. Some battles it's still pretty good in. Me and a DB Griff can go toe-to-toe with multiple plasmancilots. Griff stands behind me for cover and we send 34 million missiles down their pipe. But that's only if there aren't any rocket heavies around. I've come close to buying a Rog to replace him, but I just can't bring myself to do it. I do swap my Gareth in for him from time to time, now though. Especially in BR mode.
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Post by chaz on Aug 17, 2017 18:51:33 GMT -5
put something longer range on the Galahad... punishers? or tulum /pins? oh and use cover ... the shield isn't unbreakable... corner shoot - it is very good at that I've been meaning to dust off some punishers and level them up a bit more to try them on my Galahad, so maybe that's the answer. The problem with corner shooting, though, is that rockets don't care too much about your partial cover. They just splash all over it.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 17, 2017 19:05:31 GMT -5
Well, if you're gonna be like that, here, lemme see what else we can take out of your hangar so you don't have to have situational awareness:
- Let's see, how about no more Carnage, Fujin, or Rog ok, it's plasma madness out there
- No more Griffins ok, it's treb madness out there
- and so on until your whole hangar disappears and you're left to wait for the ultimate super robot from pix
Lol, just pay attention to your adversaries. Plasmahad is still vicious, but you have to be aware of reds locations and load-outs so you can make good decisions that prolong Bot life. What I do is try to hunt 3-4 robots, and paying attention to the others locations, peeking their load outs, then repositioning accordingly. This has helped longevity of both Gareth and Galahad in particular. It also helps Carnage piloting. You can do it man!
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 17, 2017 19:13:30 GMT -5
Well, if you're gonna be like that, here, lemme see what else we can take out of your hangar so you don't have to have situational awareness: - Let's see, how about no more Carnage, Fujin, or Rog ok, it's plasma madness out there - No more Griffins ok, it's treb madness out there - and so on until your whole hangar disappears and you're left to wait for the ultimate super robot from pix Lol, just pay attention to your adversaries. Plasmahad is still vicious, but you have to be aware of reds locations and load-outs so you can make good decisions that prolong Bot life. What I do is try to hunt 3-4 robots, and paying attention to the others locations, peeking their load outs, then repositioning accordingly. This has helped longevity of both Gareth and Galahad in particular. It also helps Carnage piloting. You can do it man! Pretty much this. I wouldn't give up on the Gally just yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 19:22:31 GMT -5
Some great points here. My input: 1) Don't use gold to replace Galahad. If you bench him, a griff is the best thing to put in its place. DB, RDB, Punishers, or all Plasma all still work fine. 2) As Danny Linguini and ѻﻭɼﻉ state above, just drive Galahad differently. Guys are still running their Gary's and Galahads blindly to center beacon as they did prior to the rocket buffs. You just cant do that anymore. Plasma Galahad should hunt Ancilots, Carnages, Fujins, Plasma Griffs, and Zeus/Treb snipers. Identify the Orkan and Tulu bots in red and steer clear. Galahad used to strut about with impunity. Now he needs to be slinking around, finding targets.
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Post by acdcfan on Aug 17, 2017 19:29:06 GMT -5
I use my plasmahad as the last bot after all the RDB's, DB's have been killed. It is not my first bot and yes sometimes it does not last long, but usually by then we are winning the game.
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Post by Shahmatt on Aug 17, 2017 20:09:13 GMT -5
Try the Orkan Pinata loadout. When the rockets were buffed I switched from plasma to DB on my Gareth and that made it relevant again. You want to hit and run, hit and run. You want to minimize exposure. You want to expend your salvo and move on to the next scene, keeping on shelving out DB goodness. You want to use your Gally as a situational bot for thunders, plasma, against snipers, as a diversion and whatever other situation you think would be relevant. You want to play support, hitting from the side and not straight on.
Gally's used to be the general purpose go-to bot for starting a round. Except the ancilot, there are no general purpose bots anymore. Nowadays it seems less painful to start with an Ancile bot of some kind though.
Gally's are still relevant. Being as tough as beans, any Red not having rockets still grumbles with having to deal with them. Just adapt to the times and you'll be fine.
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Post by BLYTHE on Aug 17, 2017 20:35:01 GMT -5
I used to run 2 plasmahads pre-buff of rockets as they were meta. Then the Tulus and Pins drove them down the foodchain quick. But since the RDB nerf they're sort of back but they aren't as invincible as before.
It's interesting that Pix went from cost=efficacy model to one that's, well, whatever is the opposite of that, which is to say a move towards balance: the cheapest builds (griff molots) can take out the most expensive (zeus fury).
I still use my galahad from time to time and there are moments when they shine. Otherwise, that 50m advantage they have over orks and pinatas isn't prodigious as griff's jump breaches that easily. Their speed and firepower and shield can be outmatched by the recently buffed rhino.
Plasmahads had a great run. But I'm afraid there's nothing they can do that a griff or rhino can't do better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 21:02:56 GMT -5
After the missile buff I was thinking the same thing, but I decided not to and was rewarded with a new piloting style for the bot. Now I play with it better than ever!
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Post by wildboar on Aug 18, 2017 1:38:48 GMT -5
I have my Galahad with Punisher - it does OK .. It won't do well with a pop tart RDB griff salvo in the face but I use it as a beacon runner .. it's ideal for getting across open space (springfield) as it is shielded (survive a gecko /trebuchet light show) and the little extra range on the punisher means you can kite a lot of builds stripping their health as they try to hunt you down. I think it has a solid place in my hangar for now
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Post by anjian on Aug 18, 2017 2:53:26 GMT -5
I have come to the same conclusion as other posters here. Try my plasmahad to see if it has a chance now. Not a chance. Going to retire it and replace it with something else.
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Post by hithere on Aug 18, 2017 6:12:05 GMT -5
Sadly, yes. Seems they can no longer backpedal away from orkans since iOS update 3.0.1. so (unless i'm wrong) yet another indirect nerf to them.
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Post by Demosthenes on Aug 18, 2017 6:34:08 GMT -5
My Plasmahad was semi-retired pre Beacon Rush (won a 2nd - never used), and was having fun running two Orkan Rogs. In BR I have now brought him back in and finding him very useful for beacon defence and counter-attack (when I know what is attacking our beacon).
Nearly always run a Gary - fun! I have always found Galahad (like his name-sake) a little bit dull.
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Post by lindenwood on Aug 18, 2017 7:24:52 GMT -5
I actually just started using an Orkan up top with Pins on the side. Not as much power up close, but gives me something [/] to throw back from further distances.
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Post by Fanghorn on Aug 18, 2017 7:28:37 GMT -5
I have a 10/10 Plasmahad, and I really liked it. But it melts from missiles. Its getting really hard for me to play because its missile madness. I can do well against other plasma bots, but with missiles missiles everywhere it dies in 1 volley. I also run a Rog with orks thats so much fun. Its just so fragile out there to the rockets that I kinda dread selecting it because I have to be so careful with it. As much as I seek out other plasma bots rockets always seem to find me. I have about 3k in gold, so is it finally time to remove the Plasmahad or change its setup, or buy another Rog? I've been debating this for a month now. I had leveled my Plasmahad up to 12 and for the longest time it was my go-to bot. I've tried a bunch of different weapon combinations trying to make it relevant again. Right now it's aphids and orkan, but I just can't seem to make it work. Some battles it's still pretty good in. Me and a DB Griff can go toe-to-toe with multiple plasmancilots. Griff stands behind me for cover and we send 34 million missiles down their pipe. But that's only if there aren't any rocket heavies around. I've come close to buying a Rog to replace him, but I just can't bring myself to do it. I do swap my Gareth in for him from time to time, now though. Especially in BR mode. I also had a maxed Plasmahad...one of only 2 of my maxed bots...and I've shelved him for the Rog w/ Orkans. The Rog is not only relevant but is so fun to pilot too. I'd highly recommend getting one. I'm gonna level some punishers to try on the Galahad.
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Post by lindenwood on Aug 18, 2017 7:31:53 GMT -5
I actually just started using an Orkan up top with Pins on the side. Not as much power up close, but gives me something to throw back from further distances.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Aug 18, 2017 8:23:52 GMT -5
Gave up Gally as felt better more effective options. Upgrading some Punishers but more for fun, it won't replace anything in current hanger.
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Post by challenger on Aug 18, 2017 13:13:22 GMT -5
If someone say that Galahad isn't good at current time he don't know how to play him. I'm in champion l and never put him out of my active hangar.Gal still can be a battle changer.I have great result with him (pdb set up) Key is never start him first, never be in first line.Attack from side keep your distance be still moving,play smart
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Post by hon_shu on Aug 18, 2017 14:55:21 GMT -5
I agree with challenger here. I think Galahad is still viable. If played correctly. And that's a big if that requires definitely skill. Essentially, either bring it out to a place where there are no RDBs, or at a time where there are no RDBs. At all times, stay outside of 300m unless you know what the other bots are running. Make sure it's maxed speed at level 9 or higher and use the shield wisely. I've tried various builds, Punisher somewhat works but compared to a Punisher Griffin Galahad is missing quite a bit of punch here. And of course at 500m the chances are good to meet RDBs. Orkan/Pinata does not work for the reason I've stated above, you need to keep your distance. So Plasma is still best IMO. Galahad seems to perform better in higher leagues (high Diamond and up on Android), because changes are much higher to face Plasma or Orkan Lances, both of which can be handled by Plasma Galahad. Lower leagues has more RDBs and other off-meta builds such as mixed Plasma/Orkan, which are bad news for Galahad normally. If you are playing in Gold or low Diamond (Android), a Griffin is probably the better and cheaper choice for now.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Aug 18, 2017 22:45:01 GMT -5
Check out how many are in the top 10 players in Champion League. You may reconsider.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Aug 19, 2017 0:24:23 GMT -5
I have a 10/10 Plasmahad, and I really liked it. But it melts from missiles. Its getting really hard for me to play because its missile madness. I can do well against other plasma bots, but with missiles missiles everywhere it dies in 1 volley. I also run a Rog with orks thats so much fun. Its just so fragile out there to the rockets that I kinda dread selecting it because I have to be so careful with it. As much as I seek out other plasma bots rockets always seem to find me. I have about 3k in gold, so is it finally time to remove the Plasmahad or change its setup, or buy another Rog? I dunno, I am 1.5 weeks into Master I. I primarily play BR. Plasmahad is primary bot in my hanger! I took out my 9/11 TT Fury. I replaced with 9/12-10 Thunder Carnage or 9/10.5-12 Hellfire Rhino It works for me! Challenging losing streak - like 7 or 8 pfffft.....!! But damage is not the issue!! Hope that helps! SoCal
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Post by drone42 on Aug 20, 2017 6:38:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't give up on a Plasmahad just yet. For example, two of my most-used bots are extremely scared of Plasmahads: Thunder Carnage and Plasma Griffin. It even scares my RDB Griffin if I end up at very close range to it (walking round a corner into one, jumping into one by accident, or having one drop next to me in Beacon Rush).
Plasmahads can still wreck a lot of popular bots and builds, at least at my level (Silver 1 - Gold 3). I don't have a Galahad yet (spent a little too much of my earned gold on aphids/gekko's and a few fun paintjobs), but when I do, plasma is definitely the loadout I'm most excited about.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Aug 20, 2017 7:12:37 GMT -5
My Ave Dam has been moving up @ 599xxx. The Galahad is still in Main Hangar! Tomorrow I will start leveling 4th & maybe 5th Taran. I plan to compare: - Plasmahad vs. PDB Griffin / Rhino Thing is, in many max hangars, Plasma is a main stay. Usually 2-3 bots are plasma dependant on Mid / Long range setups. For me, the Plasmahad is best set up for Galahad and Griffin is favorite bot. I need 1 more Taran to effectively compare.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 8:53:33 GMT -5
I use my plasmahad as the last bot after all the RDB's, DB's have been killed. It is not my first bot and yes sometimes it does not last long, but usually by then we are winning the game. It works great as a first bot. If you do, then stay away from rockets, at least 500m and you're set. More like 600m, and then kill any Ancilots that wander into your range. Just don't chase anybody and get within their kill zone, and you'll have lots to kill while staying alive. Griffins are pretty popular at the higher tiers, so the plasma and DB versions will have a hard time touching you as you can kite them or use your shield. Just keep one eye on mid-rangers when you're knife-fighting and you're good.
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