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Post by wannabetoughguy on Jan 6, 2017 12:44:26 GMT -5
Downgrading weapons and bots to beat up on the noobs I see?
Many of you have this down to a science. I couldn't imagine downgrading across the board to play with lesser bots, opponents, and firepower. The best part of this game is winning because it is so competitive out there. I play for fun, for the thrill, not so much for Ag and Au.
With the experience I gained over time, I don't see this as anything other than being unfair. Pros are not allowed to compete against amateurs in the real world. End rant.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 6, 2017 12:47:11 GMT -5
If Pix was moved to act on the volume of threads started about this, we'd have the issue settled long ago. Welcome to the forum! You'll find a number of us are opposed to the practice. Plenty of others who think that if the law allows it, then it's permissible. A nice, big tent!
Me personally, I'm with you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 12:52:50 GMT -5
If you want to play with any non-meta setups and not be blasted to pieces and almost guaranteeing a loss for your team, you will have to move down a tier or two. Apart from this, I mostly agree with you.
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jan 6, 2017 12:57:05 GMT -5
Totally agreed. I quit my clan b'cuz they were all farmers and wouldn't squad with me because I over leveled my Geps to have fun with, not farm. I don't regret it for a second. I'm mid silver with a decent win ratio and have a blast working my way up the tiers. Cheers to all of us that play the game for what it is, a GAME !
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Post by wannabetoughguy on Jan 6, 2017 13:01:17 GMT -5
I hope I didn't come off as too confrontational, just wondering the opinions of others.
I also accept it for what it is, but no winder I was getting blasted to pieces from like levels 10-20 or so.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 6, 2017 13:18:29 GMT -5
Pros are not allowed to compete against amateurs in the real world. End rant. While I agree lvl 25 -30 pilots should compete against their own kind, what bots and weps they use should be up to them. Pro vs amateur is not quite War Robots because even some experienced pilots suck with new tiers and new bots/weps, and it shows up in win rates. I like that win rates will drive future MM a lot more as it about your skills in piloting, selecting equipment, and who you run with that will drive your win %....should level the playing field more, especially for newer players. And by the way, I think I see a number of Pro athletes (track & field, hockey, baseball, and basketball players to name a few) in the Olympics (clearly not in the NCAA the other bastion of amateur athletics)...against amateurs. So it does happen and will continue to happen in War Robots even with the new MM. better players will rise to the top regardless of their experience. Cheers!
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Post by Trogon on Jan 6, 2017 13:24:03 GMT -5
I sometimes play in lower tiers because I like it. It's fun to mix it up with light bots instead of slogging around with mediums and heavies all the time. I guess you could consider that "farming", since I usually do win top gold. Although not always by any stretch. Sometimes I get my butt handed to me on a platter. However, in my mind I don't engage in what I would consider "seal clubbing". To me, seal clubbing is intentionally gaming the matchmaking system by using equipment that is superior in every way to the competition and which the expected competition has virtually no way to counter (based on their equipment and experience). I intentionally limit myself to ag bots and weapons so as not to be too overpowering, so I'm basically using the same equipment that's available to the relative noobs that I'm usually playing against. I don't use the starter bot setups, but there's nothing I'm using that is out of reach from a player that is naturally at those tiers as part of their normal progression. If someone sees me in a Thunder Shutze or a Pinata Destrier, there's nothing from preventing them from saving up a bit of silver and getting themselves the same thing. Some may consider me to be drawing a fine line, and may call me a clubber. Oh, well...
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 6, 2017 13:32:59 GMT -5
I sometimes play in lower tiers because I like it. It's fun to mix it up with light bots instead of slogging around with mediums and heavies all the time. I guess you could consider that "farming", since I usually do win top gold. Although not always by any stretch. Sometimes I get my butt handed to me on a platter. However, in my mind I don't engage in what I would consider "seal clubbing". To me, seal clubbing is intentionally gaming the matchmaking system by using equipment that is superior in every way to the competition and which the expected competition has virtually no way to counter (based on their equipment and experience). I intentionally limit myself to ag bots and weapons so as not to be too overpowering, so I'm basically using the same equipment that's available to the relative noobs that I'm usually playing against. I don't use the starter bot setups, but there's nothing I'm using that is out of reach from a player that is naturally at those tiers as part of their normal progression. If someone sees me in a Thunder Shutze or a Pinata Destrier, there's nothing from preventing them from saving up a bit of silver and getting themselves the same thing. Some may consider me to be drawing a fine line, and may call me a clubber. Oh, well... This. I wish that Bronze wasn't synonymous with "new player," because it offers a rewarding gameplay experience all its own. I'd leap at the chance to play in a Bronze Tier limited to L20+ players (or some other experience threshold that excludes the newest amongst us).
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Post by Trogon on Jan 6, 2017 13:33:14 GMT -5
I also think there'd be less seal clubbing if the game awarded more gold. If they went to a system of gold kind of like the way they award pumpkins or snowflakes, so that you can earn gold for progression no matter if you win or earn a top score, I think it would reduce the pressure for earning gold that drives people to club.
But I'm not holding my breath for this to happen, because it would also reduce the temptation to purchase gold with rm...
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Jan 6, 2017 14:25:02 GMT -5
There once was a time where you could 20 gold per match... They cut that in half to increase the temptation in buying gold.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 6, 2017 14:44:22 GMT -5
Agree with everything here... Clubbing sucks. Dropping tiers can be fun, though. It is almost an entirely different game in HB and Last Stand. That is the only place I have ever used a Zenit or a Noricom. Only place I've used sniper weapons, gekkos, all molot or punisher bots, etc. Not to mention if your clan has a feeder clan that is made up of people lower than you and you want to squad with them. Or just squad with a friend who has just started and doesn't have the hanger you do. All that can be done without clubbing. And, now, I think it will take more than Au payouts to change a clubber into a playah. Playah's can handle any prize, at any level, juggling the high quality with the low. Clubbers, dress up nice and shiny with expensive stuff, then go looking for younger prey that aren't hip to their wiles. There will always be clubbers, if possible, because to them, winning and conquering at any cost are all that matters, as long as that cost isn't actually becoming good. -might there be a double meaning here? ...maybe (Note, I am not saying all Gepper clans are clubbers, as I know there are legitimate ones that can, and do, avoid the noob tier and focus on squad play in Silver. And I admit, that this can be extremely fun and team skill building... the fast pace game play and homogeneity of bots provides an almost altogether different game experience. Unfortunately, a Bronze tier player that encounters a clubbing clan is more common than a non clubbing Gepper, and so now the label is attached to any Geppers that clan together, no matter the tier.)
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Post by Trogon on Jan 6, 2017 14:58:13 GMT -5
(Note, I am not saying all Gepper clans are clubbers, as I know there are legitimate ones that can, and do, avoid the noob tier and focus on squad play in Silver. And I admit, that this can be extremely fun and team skill building... the fast pace game play and homogeneity of bots provides an almost altogether different game experience. Unfortunately, a Bronze tier player that encounters a clubbing clan is more common than a non clubbing Gepper, and so now the label is attached to any Geppers that clan together, no matter the tier.) At the moment, to me, I still consider these to be clubbers, at least in low silver. A full squad of 6 (heck, even a partial squad of 3) 3/12 geps in low silver completely unbalances the game. The only thing I've ever been able to do in situations like that is die quickly.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 6, 2017 15:02:23 GMT -5
(Note, I am not saying all Gepper clans are clubbers, as I know there are legitimate ones that can, and do, avoid the noob tier and focus on squad play in Silver. And I admit, that this can be extremely fun and team skill building... the fast pace game play and homogeneity of bots provides an almost altogether different game experience. Unfortunately, a Bronze tier player that encounters a clubbing clan is more common than a non clubbing Gepper, and so now the label is attached to any Geppers that clan together, no matter the tier.) At the moment, to me, I still consider these to be clubbers, at least in low silver. A full squad of 6 (heck, even a partial squad of 3) 3/12 geps in low silver completely unbalances the game. The only thing I've ever been able to do in situations like that is die quickly. Fair enough, that is my experience, too, in a lot of games solo... but I am mostly referring to the ones that are looking for squad play against other clans, and I encourage those... because when WIKI clan is out steppin', there's a lot less MagGeppin'.
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jan 6, 2017 16:15:07 GMT -5
At the moment, to me, I still consider these to be clubbers, at least in low silver. A full squad of 6 (heck, even a partial squad of 3) 3/12 geps in low silver completely unbalances the game. The only thing I've ever been able to do in situations like that is die quickly. Fair enough, that is my experience, too, in a lot of games solo... but I am mostly referring to the ones that are looking for squad play against other clans, and I encourage those... because when WIKI clan is out steppin', there's a lot less MagGeppin'. I have 2 Geps, one is 7/7/7/7 mags and the other is 7/8/8/8 aaphids. I only have one in my lineup at a time usually and only play them on an as needed basis. The primary reason I keep them is I just love how fluid they maneuver but they come in quite handy in silver sometimes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 20:04:28 GMT -5
Like a lot of us, better learn to deal with it. Aint nothin new, and likely wont change.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Jan 6, 2017 22:16:49 GMT -5
I generally use 5 hangar setups that put me in different tiers with different fight styles. Turns War Robots into 5 types of games. One is 2/4 cossacks for a light, funny and fun time. Another is 1/6 geps of pinata, pin, aphid (no mags!) for fast knife fighting. Another is 4/6 golems and boas for range control. For 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 OMG intensest fights my best bots are 6/8 gareth, galahad, carnage, DB Griffin.
I hope the new MM doesn't prevent these mini games but agree it would be better to be with other lvl 30 players when I play the 2/4 cossacks, or even 1/6 geps. Too often they don't know to cap beacons or understand weapon ranges in those tiers.
I have enough gold items to play with now I'm not bothered to lose. The focus is mostly having fun and the trickle of task gold is enough.
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Post by ivx on Jan 8, 2017 1:59:28 GMT -5
I bought a Gepard when I first started, outfitted it with magnums down the line... Paired it with two Cossacks and a Destrier and won 10 gold 95 times out of a 100 ever since.
I was sure the mere act of using a single MagGep made me a clubbier; how could it not, when it's a one man army, ready to eat 10-15 of the enemies' Cossacks, Destriers, Schutzes, Golems and Pattons a match?
Then, rarely, I started running into 5 slot 2/7 or 1/8 MagGep hangars... And I realised what dedicated clubbing is.
In all honesty though, even using a single Gepard below High Bronze feels unfair towards opponents. I got another from a snowflake chest but it's really overkill most of the time so I'm moving to Silver proper now.
Can't understand why people play it for months with dedicated 5-man Gep hangars... The idea is sound obviously, but it's so overdone and even playing 1-2 gets boring after a while, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. It's a waste of gold to buy more than 1-2 and full 5 are only going to guarantee you a win in the rare, rare cases where you go against other similar players. So it's 3600-4800 gold that you invest into gold farming for a tiny win rate increase, meaning it would take thousands of matches for those additional overkill Geps to actually start turning the profit they were supposedly bought for. Doesn't make much sense if you're farming.
With all that... It's an amazing bot to pilot, it really spoils you. I love the speed and manoeuvrability, the weaving and dodging, all of it. Blazing fast, even when you're down to below 10k health you can still destroy a few full health mediums before they get you. It really makes you want to find a Silver/Gold equivalent bot when you start moving up, purely playstyle-wise.
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Post by viruletic on Jan 8, 2017 3:07:32 GMT -5
I think the way the current MM is set up is the only reason behind clubbing. Sure there's always the gold, but at the same time it's become a science to pace yourself and research to fall into proper MM games where you aren't completely outgunned.
I end up running 1/5 shutze with 1/6 mag gepard (for anti clubbing) hangar specifically because I can't figure out the MM. I throw in med bots that SHOULD BE low silver, but end up seeing 8/8 Leo's griffins etc. When I throw similar setups on, it bumps me up further into a never ending cycle. It just becomes a chore to get stomped where I have no chance, so I play it safe with the shutze hangar and bide my time until I have near max/fun bots to play around with in higher levels of play.
Im sure there are 3 types of people clubbing: Pure Farmers, people stuck between tiers, or people who can't stand losing.
Tl;Dr: MM needs a rework to place 20+ or some other arbitrary number in their own tiers, focus more on levels and stats, and match bots closer to each other.
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Post by B30RLL on Jan 8, 2017 3:50:58 GMT -5
Is the MM rebalancing already happening? I had several matches where a 5-gep hanger guy dropped in, first bot got shredded, and then bailed the game after realizing he got pushed to low gold tier.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 8, 2017 11:39:31 GMT -5
Is the MM rebalancing already happening? I had several matches where a 5-gep hanger guy dropped in, first bot got shredded, and then bailed the game after realizing he got pushed to low gold tier. A number of pilots running gold hangers and also silver gep or other bot line ups....there is a gold bug in place that Pix acknowledges that can keep MM scoring their hanger as gold even when they switch hangers to silver or even lvl 1 bots and weps.....they sometimes have to run 30+ matches before MM will correctly score the hanger. Some have had it for months. Has happened quite a bit to a number of folks so that could explain what you saw. Cheers!
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Post by JessetheHobo on Jan 9, 2017 11:57:34 GMT -5
I like this setup quite a bit actually. Give a non-pay to win player a chance to compete with top level equipment. Getting maxxed out to compete in top gold will likely never happen for me but being at the top of high silver or whatever tier I can max equipment instead of always being outmatched. I prefer low bronze and high bronze to silver tiers simply because the match is much higher paced and much more fun. Silver is very lethargic and has a lot worse noobs in my experience.
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Post by FunkenA on Jan 9, 2017 13:02:07 GMT -5
If Pix was moved to act on the volume of threads started about this, we'd have the issue settled long ago. Welcome to the forum! You'll find a number of us are opposed to the practice. Plenty of others who think that if the law allows it, then it's permissible. A nice, big tent! Me personally, I'm with you. I find gold teir to be useless unless you bring 12/12 I farm gold .. to hasten upgrades..... I wil be sporting a full 12/12 hangar of high end bots by the end of Feburary at the latest.. I grind grind grind grind out the gold to achieve this however because my win % is high when I bring a low gold hangar I am placed against high gold players.. I don't mind the competitiveness but if I get no gold for the effort then win or lose its still a loss in my book What's even funnier is I gain more trophies playing silver with geps rogs and I get mucho gold as well... Now I expect trophies ot change some at 12/12 hangar.. but I've tried running a 6/9 6/12 9/9 and 9/12 hangars for gold.... I just gain more resources running ,y 4/12 geps and 4/9 rog and golem in silver The real issue with this game is its league systems there are no rewards for moving up.. Yu want more people in gold boost trophies and rewards for moving up. Otherwise why would I move up to only slow upgrading
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 9, 2017 13:07:01 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but If you play for gold instead of the win, you have turned a fun and competitive game into a boring and repetitive job.
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Post by FunkenA on Jan 9, 2017 13:19:09 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but If you play for gold instead of the win, you have turned a fun and competitive game into a boring and repetitive job. I love farming.. I actually play these games to farm and upgrade. There is so much to upgrade if I did not farm I would have a half ?bum-bum? hangar and be ?female dog? to all those who have higher bots and weapons. I like having multiple options not just 5 options of bots and 5 options of weapons. That takes m,ore time and lots of gold to hasten the upgrading. Also I find gold to be ridiculously unskilled because so many players don't understand the leagues and upgrade one weapon or one bot to high and get stuck with an inferior lineup in a higher league and then end up on your team and that costs you resources.... In mid to high silver I can make up for these types of pilots in gold its much harder to do
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 9, 2017 13:32:36 GMT -5
Regarding unskilled Gold randoms, why not join a Gold Tier clan? I think that would also be make it easier to have fun in a supporting role to stronger teammates while your hangar matures.
But more importantly, if you find Silver play more enjoyable than Gold, why spend anything to rush out of it?
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Post by FunkenA on Jan 9, 2017 14:04:21 GMT -5
Regarding unskilled Gold randoms, why not join a Gold Tier clan? I think that would also be make it easier to have fun in a supporting role to stronger teammates while your hangar matures. But more importantly, if you find Silver play more enjoyable than Gold, why spend anything to rush out of it? Why would leave my clan of friends . Our clan kicks 「bum-bum」 and we could care less about being a top clan As for more enjoyable.. Yes silver is more enjoyable right now.. Gold will be enjoyable when I have bots and weapons and multiple options to choose from that match the players I'm up against.. Why would I want to play a 6/9 6/12 9/9 or 9/12 hangar when every single match I'm matched against 11/12 12/11 and 12/12 players.. I'm not wasting my time with that non sense... That's not skilled that's just being outmatched.. And I still do well in gold with the above mentioned hangras but I do better in silver when it comes to resources Why move to gold until I'm ready.. When I move to gold I will have multiple options (more than 5 slots worth) of lvl 12 bots and lvl 12 weapons to play with. As for spending gold to speed up upgrades.. That's the entire point of farming I love to farm and build ... i get lots of joy from that
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 9, 2017 14:18:41 GMT -5
Alright, fair enough.
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Post by miatahead on Jan 9, 2017 14:24:32 GMT -5
Pix clearly doesn't see a problem, so why should we?
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 9, 2017 14:30:22 GMT -5
I think they see the problem. The issue is that they see a benefit that outweighs the cost of the problem -- increased revenues from Gepard sales as well as from whales responding to Gepards by spending more. As there isn't a profit-sharing plan for players, we don't see this benefit and probably never will.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 9, 2017 14:34:32 GMT -5
Regarding unskilled Gold randoms, why not join a Gold Tier clan? I think that would also be make it easier to have fun in a supporting role to stronger teammates while your hangar matures. But more importantly, if you find Silver play more enjoyable than Gold, why spend anything to rush out of it? Why would leave my clan of friends . Our clan kicks ?bum-bum? and we could care less about being a top clan As for more enjoyable.. Yes silver is more enjoyable right now.. Gold will be enjoyable when I have bots and weapons and multiple options to choose from that match the players I'm up against.. Why would I want to play a 6/9 6/12 9/9 or 9/12 hangar when every single match I'm matched against 11/12 12/11 and 12/12 players.. I'm not wasting my time with that non sense... That's not skilled that's just being outmatched.. And I still do well in gold with the above mentioned hangras but I do better in silver when it comes to resources Why move to gold until I'm ready.. When I move to gold I will have multiple options (more than 5 slots worth) of lvl 12 bots and lvl 12 weapons to play with. As for spending gold to speed up upgrades.. That's the entire point of farming I love to farm and build ... i get lots of joy from that Only thing I have to add to that is about the levels you tried to roll with in Gold... I run 6/9 in LG and only see max when squadding with clanmates that have higher weapons than me, or at the very worst mm rubber band times... when there just isn't very many players to choose from... Usually I see anywhere from level 8-9 bots with levels 5-9 weapons. And can end up top 3 almost every time. Yes, the blue teammates are a crap shoot... or, maybe, a box of chocolates, b/c you really never know wut yer gon' git. If the MM is funky at first and you see 12/12, like others have noted, there seems to be a glitch that can score your hanger all jacked up when first changing bots and weapons. It goes away. Eventually
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