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Post by Koalabear on Aug 16, 2017 9:25:03 GMT -5
So, I thought this might be a fun discussion. There's too many variations to do a poll, so just talk about your top picks. Which bot/setup do you think is the apex predator in this game? Basically, if you see a bot on an open field, which bot or bots would make you run screaming for your life? Or, if you were piloting said, bot, which bot/setup makes you feel like you can take any bot down and hunt for others? As for me, since I usually run light/fast bots and am only getting back into piloting heavies, I tend to run from EVERYTHING, then double back and fire off some rounds, run screaming and well you get the idea.
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Post by shakingrabbit on Aug 16, 2017 9:59:34 GMT -5
Easy.
Thunder Carnage.
Makes me feel like a lion or tiger, sitting in ambush mode, ready to pounce! Hit that max speed as you chase that antelope down and unleash your fury to quickly bring down your prey. Then you run back into cover lest some other more tenacious predator sees you panting away and tries to take advantage.
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Post by drone42 on Aug 16, 2017 10:00:10 GMT -5
It sort of depends on what I'm running in my hangar, as I have tried a lot of different hangar setups. (RDB Griffins was what I feared the most when I ran a hangar of 4 Golems. I was too slow to avoid the splash, and they could kite me easily.)
In general, the bots I really fear are: - Ancilot - I don't often see them in my leagues (Silver 1 / Gold 3), but when I do, I spend most of the time trying to make sure I am nowhere near them, or at least nowhere in front of them. (Sneaking up on them from behind is fun, but only possible on a few maps usually). Doesn't matter if it's running Tarans or Orkans, I'm running away. - Treb/Gekko Natasha or Treb Fury - I have exactly 1 physically shielded bot (a Gareth), and I don't always use it. So seeing 2+ Trebs on a red bot is usually a bad sign, especially on Yamantau, Springfield or Dead City (they seem to be able to hit an awful lot from that ramp in the spawn area. It usually means that I'll already be missing a chunk of health before I get in range with my own weapons. I love running a Carnage Thunder, and this is my biggest individual fear when I do so. - Galahads - Unless I'm running an RDB, these are scary. Whether it's running rockets or plasma, I tend to die in 1 on 1s, even if I bring a semi-DB griff to the fight (I only have 1 Orkan, so other medium slot is an ECU).
I've never had a chance to run any of these yet as I don't own the right stuff (only have 1 low level Treb, and no Galahads or Lancelots or Anciles).
What makes me feel like the apex predator: - Thunder Carnage, especially if there is plenty of cover. - Thunder/Pinata Leo, again especially if there is plenty of cover. - Quad Gekko Patton on open maps. This may seem like an odd one, but because of my tier, there aren't many Lancelots or Galahads. You might not cause huge damage in one go, but the ability to slowly drain health from anything I can see while being out of retaliation range is lovely.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 16, 2017 10:03:33 GMT -5
Orkan Ancilots usually send me into an immediate panic. The only thing in my hangar that has the remotest chance of bringing one down alone is DB Griffin, but only if his ancile is already partly gone, and even then I'm not high enough to take him all the way out alone. I usually come away from those with very little health left, if any at all, and maybe a 50% kill rate. Nothing else in my hangar has a shot in hell against them. Seemed like I ran into hundreds of them last night. Close second is Taran Ancilots.
Likewise, the DB Griff is my go-to bot when I need a kill or to rack up damage. Unfortunately those quests can be cut short if I run into Orkans and don't have a jump at the ready. And that's a problem, especially if there's a glut of red Lances, because those are the only two Orkans I own. But that's my most trusted assassin. I've thought of putting three Orkans on the Fujin, but that's a LOT of Au (and upgrade time), and I don't want to take them off the Griff. So that'll be another future project, but I expect that should be pretty lethal as long as I can keep it alive.
I don't have the Au or the patience to build up a formidable Ancilot of my own, or the piloting skill to make the most of it if I did. Yet.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 16, 2017 10:09:59 GMT -5
Easy. Thunder Carnage. Makes me feel like a lion or tiger, sitting in ambush mode, ready to pounce! Hit that max speed as you chase that antelope down and unleash your fury to quickly bring down your prey. Then you run back into cover lest some other more tenacious predator sees you panting away and tries to take advantage. I do really like my Thunder Carnage, but it is just too vulnerable to plasma, and it seems that everybody has plasma whenever I bring it out. One game last night on Moon, we were getting creamed, I was one of two blues left, and Carny was my last bot. No less than FOUR reds all armed with Tarans came through the tunnel of death -- at least two of them were Lances -- and melted me before I could even target something I had a chance of damaging. It was one of those nightmare Butch and Sundance moments.
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Post by porcupyne on Aug 16, 2017 10:31:29 GMT -5
Mine is a tag team when in Beacon Rush The Rhino storms the central beacon, shrugging off the sniper fire. The beacon turns blue. Drop the shield and unleash the missiles. One red bot is sure to pop and then it's chew up some health with a few more rockets while they continue to close in. The Rhino finally drops. The battered survivors seize their chance and go for the beacon all at once, each one craving that beacon capping gold reward...in drops the full health Lancelot to demolish all with a blizzard of point blank Thunder and Taran fire just as the rest of the blues start to arrive to solidify our position and ensure victory. Loving that +20% speed boost Attachment Deleted
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 16, 2017 10:38:51 GMT -5
Great Thread! TBH, I don't have a single bot that I won't confront since I try to have a hangar that allows me to handle as much as possible that I encounter... So, I will list ones that have killed me a lot... and that are the most dangerous overall, depending on the hangar being ran at the time. A small note about the situations most feared will be listed with the choices.
Griffs of many flavors - (It almost doesn't matter what I am running, as there is a build for the Griff that can handle any situation except Sniper range... But even if in a Sniper bot, a Molot or Spydra Griff can easily become a threat if I don't pay attention.) Also, assuming we are talking about the pilot having real skill in using said bot... not a random noob who just charges and shoots.
DB Rhino - (Unless in a jumping bot or one with a strong ancile and the ability to run away or out-splash it.)
Galahad with either Puns, Plasma, Splash, or a Hybrid of the three... - (if I am in a Plasma bot)
Thunder Carn - (If encountered below 300m, unless in a strong plasma bot with a good defense option, namely Plasmahad or PDB)
Doc - (if loaded out with rockets and I am within said rocket's range... 4 Tulus or Orks are enough to ruin your day, even if you hurt or kill him in the process, it is gonna hurt.)
Treb Butch - (if in a Griff, especially)
Now, I feel deadly in:
Punisher Thunder/Tempest Lance,
Punishahad,
Plasmahad,
High Damage Tulu builds (RDB Griff, Doc, Fujin)
DB builds (Fujin, Doc, Griff, and Rhino),
Thunder Carn.
Funny... I've not thought about it before, but at least 2 WW builds made it into my lists, and am this | | close to naming Aphid Jesse too... due to their ability to get off 4 Aphids and get back out of return fire range pretty quickly. Those bots really don't get enough credit by many.
IMO, YMMV.
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Post by bugdoc on Aug 16, 2017 10:42:07 GMT -5
Just my two cents (which about right value-wise ). Ancilots (either Orks or Tarans) are the hardest nuts to crack. They may not have overwhelming firepower, but they take soooo loooong for most bots to kill that they have a huge advantage. They do have their kryptonite (Thunder/Ork Lances, Plasmahads, even well-piloted Gareths), but probably are the current META. A close second in my mind would be Death Button Griffins. No other bot has as much raw firepower. I hate getting caught in a DB Maelstrom. I'm actually a little worried about the new Dash bots. Three orks will give them about the same firepower as a DB, plus the ability to dash in, fire, and dash back out - all the while being covered with a physical or ancile shield - might make them OP. Guess we'll soon see.
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Post by Kanshou on Aug 16, 2017 13:49:34 GMT -5
Triple Zeus on a Fury. Two cycles and you are gone. Built in ancile? That's cute, zap zap. Hate those things. Every time I see one, I make sure to backpedal or go for cover without them noticing.
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Post by chaz on Aug 16, 2017 14:12:55 GMT -5
Seems to me like it all depends on what the red loadouts that you're facing at the moment. There's always some build that is the Achilles heel of any bot. Aphid Patton can slaughter the Thunder/Mag Leo that can clobber the RDB and so on. But in general, my answer to both questions is Plasma Ancilot. I run one because before I had one, I would frequently come up against one in anything but my DB Griff and just get waxed. Even with the DB Griff it was a 50/50 proposition. What's worse than a Plasma Ancilot? 2+ Plasma Ancilots.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 16, 2017 19:55:11 GMT -5
Natasha
It can carry a variety of weapons that make it extremely dangerous in the right hands.
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Post by dreamslayer28 on Aug 16, 2017 20:21:18 GMT -5
So, I thought this might be a fun discussion. There's too many variations to do a poll, so just talk about your top picks. Which bot/setup do you think is the apex predator in this game? Basically, if you see a bot on an open field, which bot or bots would make you run screaming for your life? Or, if you were piloting said, bot, which bot/setup makes you feel like you can take any bot down and hunt for others? As for me, since I usually run light/fast bots and am only getting back into piloting heavies, I tend to run from EVERYTHING, then double back and fire off some rounds, run screaming and well you get the idea. Obvious apex predator: Ancilot in any of its variants. See one? Get your entire team to target that one and kill it immediately, or the chances of you winning that match decrease by 15%. Not-so-obvious apex predator: Thunder/Zeus Carnage: People underestimate these builds in Gold. This is according to my personal experience in Asian servers.
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Post by Demosthenes on Aug 17, 2017 2:11:03 GMT -5
There isn't one. That is kind of the point. Every 'bot and build has counters.
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Post by Payxonic on Aug 17, 2017 2:20:27 GMT -5
orkan rog
good and fun hunting bot for chasing campers/low hp/cappers/ and distracted bots
most fun and effective at silver and gold matches
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Post by Demosthenes on Aug 17, 2017 2:47:28 GMT -5
orkan rog good and fun hunting bot for chasing campers/low hp/cappers/ and distracted bots most fun and effective at silver and gold matches Now if we're talking favourites, my Orkan Rog (sometimes two!) are the most fun. Still toast if a Thunder Carnage gets close, but a Gary's worst nightmare.
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Post by drone42 on Aug 17, 2017 3:39:44 GMT -5
It might not be an apex predator individually, but the Gareth is a pretty good predator. Nimble, fairly tough, and decent firepower. If I see a Gareth on its own, I might chase it (unless I'm in a carnage and it's a plasma Gareth, in which case it will be chasing me). But if I see 2 or more of them in the same area, I'm not going in close. Any semblance of teamwork from them, and you're left being hammered from two directions while failing to actually keep your guns aimed at either one of them.
Gareths are serious pack predators. Same goes for brawler Carnages.
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Post by _psychø on Aug 17, 2017 4:55:58 GMT -5
A one plasma Gareth might be funny to fear but only one out of five bots in my hanger can finish it off quickly, I simply act like I haven't seen anything when I see it in my carnage thunder lol
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Post by War Child on Aug 17, 2017 5:40:19 GMT -5
Basically anyone that counters the build I'm running
DB Rhino: Predator;Any high output rocket build with a fresh magazine Prey;Ancilots of any flavor(Orkcilot is a little weak on it's own),Galahads of any variant besides rockets,everything else besides rockets.
DB griff: Predator;Anything plasma(and anciles) unless it has weak damage output Prey;Anyone caught off guard or slow,besides anciles.
RDB: Predator;Any brawler that got close or those streetlights at the other side of the map. Prey;Anything
Aphid Jesse: Predator;Anyone that caught me cornered Prey;Anyone thats slow and no anciles.
Magcile Leo: Predator:Plasma knights(brit bots),Zeus builds.anything else I can take on one on one with fair chances to win
Thunder Carnage: Predator;Anything plasma Prey;Anyone caught off guard and facing my teammate
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Post by chaz on Aug 17, 2017 11:35:42 GMT -5
Basically anyone that counters the build I'm running DB Rhino: Predator;Any high output rocket build with a fresh magazine Prey;Ancilots of any flavor(Orkcilot is a little weak on it's own),Galahads of any variant besides rockets,everything else besides rockets. DB griff: Predator;Anything plasma(and anciles) unless it has weak damage output Prey;Anyone caught off guard or slow,besides anciles. RDB: Predator;Any brawler that got close or those streetlights at the other side of the map. Prey;Anything Aphid Jesse: Predator;Anyone that caught me cornered Prey;Anyone thats slow and no anciles. Magcile Leo: Predator:Plasma knights(brit bots),Zeus builds.anything else I can take on one on one with fair chances to win Thunder Carnage: Predator;Anything plasma Prey;Anyone caught off guard and facing my teammate Hahaha, dead streetlights should count as bot kills. Also, great synopsis of all of these builds!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 13:03:39 GMT -5
Apex predators often only have a 10% kill rate
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Post by vigusfatbelly on Aug 17, 2017 13:09:32 GMT -5
I think of the bots kinda like Dinosaurs.
Single baddy- Thunder pinata Leo or Molot Griff.
Pack...either thunder carnages or Garath's.
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Post by LITu2 on Aug 17, 2017 17:16:48 GMT -5
Basically anyone that counters the build I'm running DB Rhino: Predator;Any high output rocket build with a fresh magazine Prey;Ancilots of any flavor(Orkcilot is a little weak on it's own),Galahads of any variant besides rockets,everything else besides rockets. DB griff: Predator;Anything plasma(and anciles) unless it has weak damage output Prey;Anyone caught off guard or slow,besides anciles. RDB: Predator;Any brawler that got close or those streetlights at the other side of the map. Prey;Anything Aphid Jesse: Predator;Anyone that caught me cornered Prey;Anyone thats slow and no anciles. Magcile Leo: Predator:Plasma knights(brit bots),Zeus builds.anything else I can take on one on one with fair chances to win Thunder Carnage: Predator;Anything plasma Prey;Anyone caught off guard and facing my teammate Gotta say I like your analysis, especially the Rhino. With the new speed bump and turn bump it's suddenly become a whole different beast. But I have to say I really enjoyed playing my 2 rhinos when they were slow. They were my main go to bot for any grunt work, attacking and capturing heavily defended beacons. I'm not sure if the boost will be a benefit or a limitation.
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Post by stokr on Aug 17, 2017 22:17:37 GMT -5
I tend to run from EVERYTHING, then double back and fire off some rounds, run screaming and well you get the idea. Errrr...'tactical retreat' sounds better Forrest. *grin*
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Post by Menageryl on Aug 18, 2017 14:49:07 GMT -5
For me personally, honestly, the ONLY builds I'm extra-wary of (okay, I HATE them, truth be told!) are rocket-based death-buttons - whether one is talking 500 or 300 meters... It might be because my standard hangar only really has one mech that can face them head-on. But splash damage is the bane of my existence...
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 8, 2017 12:48:44 GMT -5
So, I've got a little secret to tell. You guys are going to laugh, but my biggest fear in this game is the Thunder Carnage. There's something about turning a corner and have those eerie read lines suddenly flare up, and my full health bot is suddenly reduced to scrap. In the early stages of my game, I had NOTHING that could take it down. I had no plasma and no shield bots, and at the time, didn't realize that punishers and thunders were so great at taking down ancile. Probably because even my Leo didn't last long against a Carnage. Well, someone said, "become what you fear to conquer your fear". So, back in July, I saved and saved and saved, and finally got a Carnage. I was underwhelmed. It is SO slow with only a 10 second rush, and a 20 second cooldown. And my ancile shredded so fast! How the heck do you properly use this thing? So, I shelved it at level 6. It had level 7 and 6 thunders. I figured I'd pick it up again when I could run a Zarnage.
Finally got 2 Zeus. Slap them on the Carnage and took it for a couple of spins. Was really underwhelmed again. What was I doing wrong? Sure, the levels on the zeus are low, but I was really underwhelmed by the play style. Lock on fire, see health go down a bit. Move. Lock on fire, see health go down a bit.
Ironically, it was the Lancelot that made me pick up the Carnage again. An Ancilot and Carnage have very similar characteristics. Both are horrendously slow with a glorious 10 second rush. The Carnage doesn't have the frontal shield, but at point blank range, those thunders do way more damage than a pair of tarans. Plus, the thunder is actually a very forgiving weapon. You can score hits even if your green cross hairs are not on the red square. In certain circumstances, a Carnage actually has LONGER life in a battle than an Ancilot. The simple fact that you can take down reds faster goes a long way to your survivability.
So, my Carnage is happily chugging away to level 7, and I'll be bringing the other thunder to 7 soon too. Like the Lancelot, I only bring it out when the centre beacon is capped, or I see reds close to one of the blue beacons. It's an excellent way to bring a lot of firepower in fast. Have I gotten over my fear of Carnages? Not yet, but I'm getting there!
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Post by vigusfatbelly on Sept 8, 2017 15:20:41 GMT -5
When I see others? Butch or Fury. Doesn't matter what they are running, it's always something stupidly high powered. Whenever either of those two shoot me with something, unless I"m in a Leo it takes down a huge chunk of my health. Always. and...like a dummy I will get singularly focused on taking them out. Remove the biggest threat, right? lol.
Now, the bot that makes *me* fell like an apex predator is, hands down, the gunboat Griff. When I'm running that thing, I feel like there is nothing that can stand in my way. Even those two bots up there that I mentioned. Because once I get within 799 yrds of those 「illegitimate child」s, I'm putting the hurt on. But in that bot, I control the distance. I control the battlefield, because I can get a superior position and direct traffic. Once I start hammering on the red bots, they scurry for cover, even the Ancilots.
The DB griff is the runner up.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Sept 8, 2017 16:24:33 GMT -5
Honestly, I've been killing quite a bit of Ancilots lately with my DB Griff. It takes a little tactics sometimes. I don't just run up to them at full health, full Ancile.
Usually, say like on DC, if there's a small wall between us, I'll unleash only in the Ancile first from around a corner, then let him chase me and dance around the wall a little. His Ancile will load slower than my weapons. As he's chasing me around the wall, every time I get to a corner, I hit him with some more splash, either keeping the Ancile low or getting his health down a little bit but I don't unload all the way. Finally, when I get to a point where I feel his health or Ancile is low enough in comparison to mine and I'm loaded enough to take him, I stop running my circles and turn back the opposite way and unleash.
Also, if I see an Ancilot whose Ancile OR health is about half, even if the other is full, if my DB is fully loaded, I will usually win that battle straight forward but that may be the end of my DB.
For this reason. I'm calling my DB an apex predator. ?
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Post by ΜØØSE on Sept 8, 2017 17:54:49 GMT -5
Mine is a tag team when in Beacon Rush The Rhino storms the central beacon, shrugging off the sniper fire. The beacon turns blue. Drop the shield and unleash the missiles. One red bot is sure to pop and then it's chew up some health with a few more rockets while they continue to close in. The Rhino finally drops. The battered survivors seize their chance and go for the beacon all at once, each one craving that beacon capping gold reward...in drops the full health Lancelot to demolish all with a blizzard of point blank Thunder and Taran fire just as the rest of the blues start to arrive to solidify our position and ensure victory. Loving that +20% speed boost I do something very similar. I'll charge with the Rhino, but while spraying with Punishers. Then beacon turns blue, then rockets. But then instead of the Lancilot drop, I charge them with a 3x Thunder Fury, dressed in lava. And. Holy. ?firetruck?. Bots fly away like a flock of pigeons from a firecracker.
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Post by ogpondskum on Sept 8, 2017 18:26:54 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think there is an Apex Predator in the game. Each bot has its own strengths and each bot has a counter to them. Sometimes the counter includes running, waiting, and picking your shots. I've seen Gareths take down Thunder/Ork Lances and I've seen Lances take out several Gareths at once. The key is that like many other things, it's not the size of the tool but the skill of the craftsman.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 6:52:52 GMT -5
Death Buttons. Death Button are high DPS and i count on one of them each game. It's not the same every game, but i just need 1 to have a break out game.
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