Mid range terror:-Punisher Griffin vs RDB

Russian Griffin works best as a midranger. Punisher Griffin works best as a close range brawler.

Griffin Tulumbas/Pin in my opinion. It is all about time: often you have only one chance, one shot. Deadly shot.

Right, for a sniper/mid-range bot burst damage is the most important thing. That's why I will always choose Tulumbases/Pins over Molots, Trebuchets over Gekkos and so on.

continued dmg vs burst. Each have a benefit and a place.

Bullets will have more of a place once the armour dmg factor is added. Brought a leadhose griff to lvl 9 to enjoy. Stew Pendious has some videos that are cool to watch regarding leadhose Griff.

I agree with rdb for all the reasons already stated. Burst damage vs standing out in the open for 28 years trying to empty a clip. It's just doesn't work. Even short range isn't that good.

TBH, they are builds that are used for different purposes... so I am not sure I would either compare them for the same roles or for head to head battles as equals.

I don't think 2 bots firing at each other, standing stock still at 500m is a proper scenario to compare them at, if we ARE going to.

I consider Midrange anything above 350m, which is the longest range of short range weapons. A leadhose at 350-400m cannot be ignored... they really do perform well at that distance, now.  With that in mind... I don't know that the RDB would come out on top if we are talking both having full health, both have jump available, and cover is not in the equation.  RDB full salvo prolly won't take a Griff completely out unless we are talking maxed levels. So, once it goes into reload firing, it drastically falls behind in the damage race, as long as the Leadhose didn't lose any weapons from that initial salvo.... which is a factor as it can and does happen... since the leadhose can jump to avoid most of the rockets, but the RDB will still be hit by the Puns if it jumps, as they can easily be lead to constantly hit the RDB mid jump. 

Now, when it comes to the normal scenarios we see in game, cover will almost definitely be involved.  So will the approaches one uses in each bot... If I am in a Punisher build, I don't do the same things I do in an RDB.  I look for Anciles, for one thing, and I try my damnedest to NOT go head to head against other bots of the same range.  It is not meant for that.  Gunship Griff would be better to use against the RDB since it outranges it... But Leadhose works well against DB and PDB.  Of course, if surprised, any bot will die to any high damage build... but that isn't what we are talking about.  If I see a DB in range of my Punisher build... it WILL go down if it doesn't get to cover or out of my range.  Period.  But if we both turned the corner and ran into each other at under 100m?  You can bet your last dollar I'm jumping the hell out of there!  Who wins after the Jump depends on so many factors... including the surrounding environment and skill of the pilots.

So, in my mind... I would normally expect the RDB to win if at max range and neither bot is moving to avoid damage.  No contest.  Also, if both are utilizing cover and not advancing or maneuvering for different angles or paths to engage, then again, RDB.  BUT, if they are both trying to survive as well as trying to kill the other, it could go either way.

IMO, YMMV.
 

Punishers are good vs fat slow 300m and 350m bots at about 450m+. And can close in to take out RDBs up close. Not just one way to play a punisher bot.

This exactly. Dead on comparison is meaningless. But if we have to, consider that a jump is much more effective against burst damage than against constant fire.


Not even close. Full RDB salvo is around 80k maxed iirc.


This (again). Punisher Griff is more or less meant for taking out anciles at range and partly serves as a support bot in that role (>350m), partly at extremely close range (<150-200m). Punisher Griff does poorly at 300m vs any other close range bot.