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Post by Joopiter on Aug 11, 2017 21:42:03 GMT -5
Less often than I'd expect, there's maybe one other beacon capper at the first spawn besides myself. Surprising since getting that center beacon is key on most maps and obivious after a few center beacon butt kickings. Pretty frustrating dropping in and seeing 3 Leos 1 Fury and a Raijin, knowin you're gonna be stuck holding that beacon with everything you've got.
Anyways, I'm split between an orkan rog and plasma gary. I can tank a little with the gary, but if more than one red makes it to center before I've got back-up, then the rog has better chances of dishing out more damage. What are people going with?
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Blight Thunder
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Post by Blight Thunder on Aug 11, 2017 21:43:17 GMT -5
2× Pinata Stalkers
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☆ CORVUSNEX ☆
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Aug 11, 2017 21:50:01 GMT -5
DB Rhino. Speed to get where it's going and the firepower to clear out almost anything that might come along to challenge it 1v1.
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Post by dogman171 on Aug 11, 2017 22:12:02 GMT -5
Stalker/pinata for sure, been experimenting with Cossack/ecu.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Aug 11, 2017 22:13:19 GMT -5
Orkan Rog or DB Rhino. Rog is faster than Stalker if continually jumping toward beacon and Rhino will get there to eliminate a Stalker before any reds die to respawn at center.
I think the Stalker fans as a 1st round BR choice are forgetting that you have to hold the beacon until another red dies and Stalker might get there first, there's no red to respawn since they are behind you and no one has engaged them yet. Now if you say you will kill your Stalker and respawn immediately to defend the beacon, what bot will you bring on to fend off a DB Rhino ------ that will 100% have you covered when you drop back in (cause it was on 5-7 seconds slower than you to the center in the first place) and those Orks/Pinatas will be be firing at point blank range (like inside an Ancil shield close) while you are disoriented with the 3-4 second drop-n-spin respawn motion.
So I think the clan setup of choice for assaulting a center beacon or red far hone beacon will be 2-3 DB Rhinos or Orkan Rogs rather than Stalkers. IMO, its not a good idea to have any throwaway bots in your lineup and using a dedicated light bot runner in BR is a big handicap to your team.
Bottom line is that if you are going to play BR and make yourself a 1st round beacon grabber, consider that you might have to actually have to be around the beacon for more than just 5 seconds to defend it. If you think otherwise, then you'll probably be burning through your first 2 bots inside a minute of the game start. To me, the only logical choice for this job today is the DB Rhino or Orkan Rog.
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Post by Shahmatt on Aug 11, 2017 22:16:23 GMT -5
Less often than I'd expect, there's maybe one other beacon capper at the first spawn besides myself. Surprising since getting that center beacon is key on most maps and obivious after a few butt kickings. Pretty frustrating dropping in and seeing 3 Leos 1 Fury and a Raijin, knowin you're gonna be stuck holding that beacon with everything you've got. Anyways, I'm split between an orkan rog and plasma gary. I can tank a little with the gary, but if more than one red makes it before I've got back up, then the rog has better chances of dishing out more damage. What are people going with? I've only played a few games so far, but on Yamantau I played two games where the Red won center beacon but the Blues won eventually. That's because the Reds kept spawning at center and ignoring home beacons A and B, giving me the opportunity in my Gary to run in there and grab them. So center is not key I think. I find myself opening with a mini DB Gary in Yamantau and Springfield generally. Other maps I leave beacon capping to others and start with mediums and provide support. But if Springfield, and spawing in the river bed, I may go with my Tulumbas Rog to jump on to the platform to get to the beacon faster. Normally though, I reserve the Rog for late stage beacon capping.
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Post by oakwhelie on Aug 11, 2017 23:21:21 GMT -5
Like Team Alpha Strike said, DB rhino
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Aug 12, 2017 4:02:07 GMT -5
I use gareth Orkan/pinata.
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Y U NO CATCH CENTR BEACON!!!!
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Post by grashoper on Aug 12, 2017 7:08:24 GMT -5
Carnage with double thunders is better suited for me to capping the 1st beacon.After the recent ancile update of it now its really viable in defending a beacon.
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Post by Joopiter on Aug 12, 2017 7:10:52 GMT -5
DB Rhino. Speed to get where it's going and the firepower to clear out almost anything that might come along to challenge it 1v1. I'm saving up for this. As is, probably most of us that don't have one and have seen them move now.
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☆ CORVUSNEX ☆
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Aug 12, 2017 8:14:35 GMT -5
Carnage with double thunders is better suited for me to capping the 1st beacon.After the recent ancile update of it now its really viable in defending a beacon. I thought about this but the Carnage is too slow to cap center beacon before a Rhino gets there first.
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Post by Prowler on Aug 12, 2017 10:01:56 GMT -5
I think the Stalker fans as a 1st round BR choice are forgetting that you have to hold the beacon until another red dies and Stalker might get there first, there's no red to respawn since they are behind you and no one has engaged them yet. Now if you say you will kill your Stalker and respawn immediately to defend the beacon, what bot will you bring on to fend off a DB Rhino - Stalker 12 magnum 12/12 is my first. Grab the beacon defend with stealth followed by DB Griff. Have not once met a DB rhino at the center.
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Post by fatdogmagic on Aug 12, 2017 10:03:56 GMT -5
Ork Rog
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Post by shagot on Aug 12, 2017 12:00:32 GMT -5
I use garry as a caper, as it is fastest bot I have, and can defened becon for a while.
Imho, this are good rushing (opening ) directions:
Springfield - d Yama - centar Shenzen - side beacons (as noted in post above). You can easily kill centar spwaners from there.
Power plant - not sure yet, I usually rush to side beacon, one betwean containers, near wrecked ship.
Moon - not sure yet.
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☆ CORVUSNEX ☆
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Aug 12, 2017 12:20:42 GMT -5
Stalker 12 magnum 12/12 is my first. Grab the beacon defend with stealth followed by DB Griff. Have not once met a DB rhino at the center. Really? What server and league are you in? In Android Champions league I have only seen 1 Stalker but plenty of Rhinos as 1st beacon capper during BR. I met that Stalker at center on Yama about 1-2 seconds after he arrived, then destroyed him quickly once his stealth wore off. No contest. As Team Alpha Strike noted, a stalker cannot hold a beacon so it becomes a wasted bot.
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Post by Joopiter on Aug 12, 2017 12:59:27 GMT -5
I use garry as a caper, as it is fastest bot I have, and can defened becon for a while. Imho, this are good rushing (opening ) directions: Springfield - d Yama - centar Shenzen - side beacons (as noted in post above). You can easily kill centar spwaners from there. Power plant - not sure yet, I usually rush to side beacon, one betwean containers, near wrecked ship. Moon - not sure yet. Moon seems to be Red's beacon on their side before the tunnel. The center beacon is good to have but misleading because iit spawns you above the tunnel in the overpass when a lot of action is on either side at tunnel entrance beacons. Although if your a rog or griff then you've got time to position yourself above for raining rockets down on reds.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 13:23:12 GMT -5
In either game mode, I lead with DB Rhino since the it received it's amazing buff. Potent and fast.
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Post by _psychø on Aug 12, 2017 13:35:38 GMT -5
Stalker!
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Post by oakwhelie on Aug 12, 2017 15:19:33 GMT -5
I think the Stalker fans as a 1st round BR choice are forgetting that you have to hold the beacon until another red dies and Stalker might get there first, there's no red to respawn since they are behind you and no one has engaged them yet. Now if you say you will kill your Stalker and respawn immediately to defend the beacon, what bot will you bring on to fend off a DB Rhino - Stalker 12 magnum 12/12 is my first. Grab the beacon defend with stealth followed by DB Griff. Have not once met a DB rhino at the center.once you do you will regret maxing your stalker
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Post by @pricker on Aug 12, 2017 15:20:14 GMT -5
Why would somoane use a stalker/gareth or even rogotka and get killed if red is a rhino when you can reach center at same speed with db rhino and be able to defend that beacon? Strange to me.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Aug 12, 2017 17:07:49 GMT -5
Rhino, all the way. Get those light bots out of my face, we need to fight over the first key beacon.
I'm doing something unorthodox with it's loadout. Orkan/punishers. When my shield is up, I'm doing more damage per reload, plus I can wear down anciles on my way there. But when the shield is down, I need to do as much damage in as short of time as possible.
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Post by Prowler on Aug 13, 2017 11:26:34 GMT -5
Why would somoane use a stalker/gareth or even rogotka and get killed if red is a rhino when you can reach center at same speed with db rhino and be able to defend that beacon? Strange to me. Strange that I only meet others gareths or rogs at the sprint to the center beacon. No matter what map there is no straight line to the center that might explain the absence of rhino's maybe.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Aug 13, 2017 12:44:23 GMT -5
Why would somoane use a stalker/gareth or even rogotka and get killed if red is a rhino when you can reach center at same speed with db rhino and be able to defend that beacon? Strange to me. Strange that I only meet others gareths or rogs at the sprint to the center beacon. No matter what map there is no straight line to the center that might explain the absence of rhino's maybe. Canyon and Yamantau are straight runs to center. Shentzen can be a straight run if you spawn in the right position. Power Plant has straight runs, but there's no real center beacon on PP. Moon is a straight run to the enemy side beacon - as the center beacon is not the priorty in BR for that map. Speed to center though isn't the factor that determines who hold the beacon though. On most maps (especially Canyon and Shentzen, and arguably Yamantau and DC), the center isn't even desirable to expend bots on in a first run blitze, as dropping into the center puts guns on you from virtually every angle. When you throw out the entire idea of a center beacon, dedicated runners like the Stalker or Gareth start to lose appeal as the runs to the critical side beacons make light runners unsuitable either because they can't survive a long run or that they can't survive a beacon defense long enough to flip a beacon or before help arrives. This is why in the Champion levels of play the Rhino and Rog are the choice fior BR, not Stalkers or Gareths. I've always run beacons, but long ago the Power Runner bots (Rog, Rhino, Carnage, and now Doc and soon to be here Dash Mk2) became the only real choice for this job at the highest levels of play.
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Post by Joopiter on Aug 13, 2017 14:59:03 GMT -5
I'm mostly sticking to my 9/9 orkan rog in Gold 1. I see a mix at the center beacon but like it's been mentioned, and it is map dependent. At canyon, if there's anything there, it is usually a gareth on the other side of the wall either waiting for me to get too far away or killed. At yamantau, it's always a stalker with a griffin spamming orkans from below.
What i've gotten away with doing about a 1/3 of time but will get better with practice, is getting to the beacon first and turning it, and if I die, I very quickly hit the center beacon on the map and my lance. Then pop in before the beacon goes white as there is a couple second delay.
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Post by >bobby_digital< on Aug 13, 2017 15:04:09 GMT -5
Lvl 9 Gary/ECU/punisher MK2. Gets you in and out fast. Once the center is capped, ill re-spawn with a heavy if the situation looks tenuous. If not, I'll look to cap the next, keeping reds occupado... I said it in another thread, a 5 bot hangar isn't a necessity but it sure doesn't hurt.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Aug 13, 2017 17:04:47 GMT -5
Rhino, all the way. Get those light bots out of my face, we need to fight over the first key beacon. I'm doing something unorthodox with it's loadout. Orkan/punishers. When my shield is up, I'm doing more damage per reload, plus I can wear down anciles on my way there. But when the shield is down, I need to do as much damage in as short of time as possible. I am using Hellfire Rhino or Stuka Rhino, but I am leveling a Punisher set. I like tbe sound of the Punishers & Orkans! Not even gonna try em till they get to L9-10. I use my Rhino - I now call him 'Hot Rod', on most every map except 'DC'. My L9 Rhino flat halls!! SoCal
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Post by shagot on Aug 13, 2017 17:27:53 GMT -5
I have ~14k wp. Using lvl9 garry as rusher in BR. Should I replace it with Rhino (dont have one, would have to spend all my wp)?
I dont have some good weapons for Rhino also, would have to spend gold for orkans (saving for dashes) or wait for more wp for plasma.
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Post by Prowler on Aug 14, 2017 2:34:27 GMT -5
Strange that I only meet others gareths or rogs at the sprint to the center beacon. No matter what map there is no straight line to the center that might explain the absence of rhino's maybe. Canyon and Yamantau are straight runs to center. Shentzen can be a straight run if you spawn in the right position. Power Plant has straight runs, but there's no real center beacon on PP. Moon is a straight run to the enemy side beacon - as the center beacon is not the priorty in BR for that map. Speed to center though isn't the factor that determines who hold the beacon though. On most maps (especially Canyon and Shentzen, and arguably Yamantau and DC), the center isn't even desirable to expend bots on in a first run blitze, as dropping into the center puts guns on you from virtually every angle. When you throw out the entire idea of a center beacon, dedicated runners like the Stalker or Gareth start to lose appeal as the runs to the critical side beacons make light runners unsuitable either because they can't survive a long run or that they can't survive a beacon defense long enough to flip a beacon or before help arrives. This is why in the Champion levels of play the Rhino and Rog are the choice fior BR, not Stalkers or Gareths. I've always run beacons, but long ago the Power Runner bots (Rog, Rhino, Carnage, and now Doc and soon to be here Dash Mk2) became the only real choice for this job at the highest levels of play. You are absolutely right about the tactics. But the argument was if a rhino can beat a stalker to the center beacon wich he can't.
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Post by BLYTHE on Aug 14, 2017 2:40:39 GMT -5
I don't cap beacons unless I can hang around and defend it. So, DB rhino.
Even if someone beats you to CB, you'll have the fire power to retake it.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Aug 14, 2017 2:54:07 GMT -5
i read somewhere someone mention about schutze and ancile. i'll experiment this later. if nice, going to be permanent bot in my hangar
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