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Post by adrenachrome on Aug 10, 2017 16:46:03 GMT -5
Hey War Robots community. I just wanted to touch base on the MM and playing with your clan mates. I was a try hard like most and pushed all the way to expert league. Then decided that in order to make champion league I would most likely need help. So I joined a clan. I just picked a guy at random in one of my matches. Well he was in D3. I joined his clan. Then about a week later he says... I am bored. Here ya go. And made me clan leader... I have had clans in other games. So I thought great. Let's go. Well come to find out all of my clan mates are 7/7 silver 3 to gold 1. iOS. I being in expert, we pulled champion matches every time. Not just once in a while. 12/12 lance versus my guys in 5/5 Leo.... We were getting evaporated. Only option I had was to bring myself in line with my clan.... So how to get from expert to gold?  League points rely heavily on damage done. This is my hanger for doing damage.  The way to drop leagues and not be a direct hindrance to your team is to cap beacons. I run my dual Ecu stalker. I cap all the beacons I can and have a blast running circles around the enemy... Or go stand next to an enemy sniper... They don't know what to do.... Dual Ecu stalker has reinvented the game for me. Then when that goes down I choose a nuisance bot and annoy the red team. If I win its only a plus 2 or 4. But a loss is negative 22. That's huge. I only have to have 4 losses every other day to stay in gold 1. Then the rest of the time I play full on with my clan mates in a squad. Playing our league not champions. Now we see a lot of diamond and the matches are fair. My team are light weights and I carry us as much as possible. My other hanger.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 16:48:29 GMT -5
Booo! Now where is that thread where Dredd77 announced that anything regarding 'Ethical Tanking' will be locked on sight? |
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Post by drake1588 on Aug 10, 2017 16:49:39 GMT -5
Time to lock, t-minus...
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Post by adrenachrome on Aug 10, 2017 16:57:56 GMT -5
I fixed it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 16:59:47 GMT -5
Too late. It's the same thing.  |
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Post by adrenachrome on Aug 10, 2017 17:03:44 GMT -5
You tell pix my silver league guys don't want to play champion league. Just trying to help.
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Post by shakingrabbit on Aug 10, 2017 17:05:02 GMT -5
We really need to reconsider the whole "fight club" mentality. The OPs scenario sounds like a legit situation and he presents a reasonable, fun solution.
The whole stand in front of a sniper with a ECU stalker sounds really rather fun. Troll those campers!
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Post by stokr on Aug 10, 2017 17:11:27 GMT -5
So, you've been bragging in another thread about your mad damage numbers even though you faded/tanked into a lower league?
*sigh*
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Post by adrenachrome on Aug 10, 2017 17:17:08 GMT -5
So, you've been bragging in another thread about your mad damage numbers even though you faded/tanked into a lower league? *sigh* I have nothing to hide. 10/10 bots are not out of line for squad play in gold 1. And in the thread you are referring too I was D3. Which again has tons of 10/10 to 12/12 hangers. I can post a hundred screenshots if you like. And as I said I am the leader of my clan. I lead.... It would be bad if I sucked. I try to carry the little guys. I have a 9 year old in silver 1. Am I supposed to tell him he can't play? Or should I try my best to help him win? |
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Post by hon_shu on Aug 10, 2017 17:32:06 GMT -5
The problem with "ethical" tanking is, do you also "ethically" move up once you have a reason to do so? Or are you just gonna blast your way up? On the other hand, nothing in the games forbids you to play with a different set of bots or try a different style of play. If I take out my Griffins and put in a few beacon runners or a weaker bot to experiment, there goes my damage and hence league points. Also, I think adrenachrome has a legitimate case here. Matchmatching is mostly OK for solo play, but it's very limiting for clan play. Unless all clan members are in the same league, you need to come up with creative solutions. And having his Silver guys getting melted by Champions all the time is not acceptable. I seem to remember that Pix was planning to add better customization for battles but not sure when and how that's coming. |
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Post by BLYTHE on Aug 10, 2017 20:27:57 GMT -5
Sure, are you familiar with the GYPTYK technique? It goes like this:
"Dad, you mind if my friend and I use your War Robots account?"
"Er, why not use your own?"
"Your accounts better."
"But my league standing wi—"
"Come on, Dad. You yourself said it's only a game."
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Post by shakingrabbit on Aug 10, 2017 20:36:41 GMT -5
The problem with "ethical" tanking is, do you also "ethically" move up once you have a reason to do so? Or are you just gonna blast your way up? Why not? Wouldn't that be the "ethical" thing to do? More dmg you do, more league points, quicker you climb right? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 20:44:33 GMT -5
My post got eaten (3rd time now, but I cut and pasted it LOL). But I squad with a few people, and we are mostly in the same tier. But 3 Experts vs squad of Champions is unfair. Sometimes one of us uses our alt account, and still the same MM nonsense. You really can't cross the boundary or Wall, otherwise it's just unfair. Either everyone needs to be above the wall, or everyone needs to be below.
They only play a few games a day, so it's always the same. Even in the case of 3 Experts vs Champions, so we have a different solution. I traded accounts with one of them, so we are all trying to get our weapons to max. It'll take 81 days for 1 set of weapons for my hanger from 10.5. I'm not tanking down to Diamond where players don't even know what beacons are.
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Post by T34 on Aug 10, 2017 21:35:37 GMT -5
Squading in multi leagued clans is an issue. Options are tanking, LQ or people simply squad with gold and below and diamond and above. But the later halves the clan. Further issue is it is easier to recruit low than up high.
I'd say Pix needs to tweak the MM a bit for squading by allocating people based on leagues. If it can do it in the LQ it should not be that difficult to do in the NQ.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 10, 2017 22:12:55 GMT -5
Clans suck. The only thing I've seen they're good for is similarly ranked players who are serious and committed enough to comm and coordinate strategies. That's the only way to effectively combat the screwball match ups the game puts them in. Most of us more casual players just play for fun and simply aren't that serious, and what we end up with is a glorified random team only with the added disadvantage of lopsided matchmaking, and I truly believe that's why our clan squadding experiences are so negative. Just my 2¢.
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Post by acdcfan on Aug 10, 2017 22:25:47 GMT -5
Clans suck. The only thing I've seen they're good for is similarly ranked players who are serious and committed enough to comm and coordinate strategies. That's the only way to effectively combat the screwball match ups the game puts them in. Most of us more casual players just play for fun and simply aren't that serious, and what we end up with is a glorified random team only with the added disadvantage of lopsided matchmaking, and I truly believe that's why our clan squadding experiences are so negative. Just my 2¢. I could not agree more with you...While I was in the clan, and expert 2, squading with my son, silver 1, we have met champions and champions squads only. I have experimented with different hangers and dropped down to silver 1 where I can squad with my son without facing champions. Good times and game is fun again. I have said it before and will say it again. "There is no fun to be had in higher leagues at all" |
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Post by drake1588 on Aug 10, 2017 22:25:52 GMT -5
Clans suck. The only thing I've seen they're good for is similarly ranked players who are serious and committed enough to comm and coordinate strategies. That's the only way to effectively combat the screwball match ups the game puts them in. Most of us more casual players just play for fun and simply aren't that serious, and what we end up with is a glorified random team only with the added disadvantage of lopsided matchmaking, and I truly believe that's why our clan squadding experiences are so negative. Just my 2¢. I think that's a pretty accurate description of how it sits currently. Clans really struggle when people aren't in very similar leagues (for squadding.) Mostly, it's a social thing at the end of the day. It isn't the fault of clans, it's because Pix refused to implement any kind of intelligent levelling mechanism for mixed squads. |
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Post by WilsonK on Aug 10, 2017 22:35:55 GMT -5
Clans suck. The only thing I've seen they're good for is similarly ranked players who are serious and committed enough to comm and coordinate strategies. That's the only way to effectively combat the screwball match ups the game puts them in. Most of us more casual players just play for fun and simply aren't that serious, and what we end up with is a glorified random team only with the added disadvantage of lopsided matchmaking, and I truly believe that's why our clan squadding experiences are so negative. Just my 2¢. I'm staying with my current clan is because the leader was a nice dude. Otherwise I'd go clanless as well.  |
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Post by MCYL on Aug 10, 2017 22:39:49 GMT -5
So, you've been bragging in another thread about your mad damage numbers even though you faded/tanked into a lower league? *sigh* I have nothing to hide. 10/10 bots are not out of line for squad play in gold 1. And in the thread you are referring too I was D3. Which again has tons of 10/10 to 12/12 hangers. I can post a hundred screenshots if you like. And as I said I am the leader of my clan. I lead.... It would be bad if I sucked. I try to carry the little guys. I have a 9 year old in silver 1. Am I supposed to tell him he can't play? Or should I try my best to help him win? True that 10/10 bots are very versatile and work well in gold!  It's also really good for taking out Masters and the odd champion tiered players. I'll get there in a month or so. |
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Post by bagofsoup on Aug 11, 2017 2:34:30 GMT -5
Custom matches are supposed to be coming in the next number of "weeks." Wish I could say how soon, but since we just got beacon rush, custom matches will be next. You can customize who you play against, and how many are on a team. You can decide between everyone what level hangar you all want to play at as well. I don't know all the details, but it does sound decently customizable. Hope that will help.
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 11, 2017 4:20:50 GMT -5
Booo! Now where is that thread where Dredd77 announced that anything regarding 'Ethical Tanking' will be locked on sight? If you get 60% win rate, how can that be tanking, even if you drop down a few leagues? I did it before, using mainly light and medium robots. I would get 2-4 points for a win and -10 to -20 on a loss. I don't see any tanking here. The big drawback on that strategy is that you won't make a lot silver this way. And with silver the limiting factor, that's baaad for you. BTW, I haven't mentioned today so far that I want the old matchmaking back, and that the new mm sucks  |
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League points rely heavily on damage done. This is my hanger for doing damage.
