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Post by vball on Aug 9, 2017 11:05:43 GMT -5
I like the concept of the gunslinger with Jesse/Doc/Butch which is it only strength, since it a really slow weak robot. Why would you have to wait for 15 secs after using gun sling button? My weapon discharges in less time than that and I can't get back to weapon I want to use..... A gunslinger doesn't tie his shoes after discharging his weapon he uses another weapon. This forces me now to wait for a reload while the other weapon is sitting on my back waiting to be used. Take off the timer........ I'm a peacock, let me fly!
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 9, 2017 13:06:23 GMT -5
I completely agree.
I made similar Posts and for some reason people think that being able to use a weapon when it's reloaded is - wrong and will make the WW Mecha OP.
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Post by vball on Aug 9, 2017 15:26:37 GMT -5
I completely agree. I made similar Posts and for some reason people think that being able to use a weapon when it's reloaded is - wrong and will make the WW Mecha OP. Whoever said that the bot would be overpowered without a timer has never played with the bot. Even without a timer, you are sitting duck with only a 73K HP(Doc) base. A bot like the Doc that would cost 7500 gold or a lot prodding from your friends on Facebook, should out perform a Griffin. 8 out of 10 times I lose to a Griffin in a one on one battle, pathetic. I guess, I will quit complaining about it and put the bot in storage.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 9, 2017 15:36:11 GMT -5
I completely agree. I made similar Posts and for some reason people think that being able to use a weapon when it's reloaded is - wrong and will make the WW Mecha OP. Whoever said that the bot would be overpowered without a timer has never played with the bot. Even without a timer, you are sitting duck with only a 73K HP(Doc) base. A bot like the Doc that would cost 7500 gold or a lot prodding from your friends on Facebook, should out perform a Griffin. 8 out of 10 times I lose to a Griffin in a one on one battle, pathetic. I guess, I will quit complaining about it and put the bot in storage. I agree. They get better with use. You need to find a combination of weapons that suit your playstyle. For me, I use multiple Docs and Orkans are handy as he11. Removing the Quickdraw and just having a manual switch, is much needed - 15 seconds for Molots with a 10 second reload is too long. Only Orkans and Tulumbas benifit but their reloads are too long to begin with so, the WW Mecha are handicapped. Keep runn'n 'em and you get pretty good and far. I got +915k with just a L4 Vityaz and a L4/Doc.
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Post by vball on Aug 15, 2017 8:56:17 GMT -5
Whoever said that the bot would be overpowered without a timer has never played with the bot. Even without a timer, you are sitting duck with only a 73K HP(Doc) base. A bot like the Doc that would cost 7500 gold or a lot prodding from your friends on Facebook, should out perform a Griffin. 8 out of 10 times I lose to a Griffin in a one on one battle, pathetic. I guess, I will quit complaining about it and put the bot in storage. I agree. They get better with use. You need to find a combination of weapons that suit your playstyle. For me, I use multiple Docs and Orkans are handy as he11. Removing the Quickdraw and just having a manual switch, is much needed - 15 seconds for Molots with a 10 second reload is too long. Only Orkans and Tulumbas benifit but their reloads are too long to begin with so, the WW Mecha are handicapped. Keep runn'n 'em and you get pretty good and far. I got +915k with just a L4 Vityaz and a L4/Doc. The only setup that may work out are 4 hydras, but even then you have wait for one of the weapons to go through a total reload.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 15, 2017 9:01:45 GMT -5
Whoever said that the bot would be overpowered without a timer has never played with the bot. Even without a timer, you are sitting duck with only a 73K HP(Doc) base. A bot like the Doc that would cost 7500 gold or a lot prodding from your friends on Facebook, should out perform a Griffin. 8 out of 10 times I lose to a Griffin in a one on one battle, pathetic. I guess, I will quit complaining about it and put the bot in storage. I agree. They get better with use. You need to find a combination of weapons that suit your playstyle. For me, I use multiple Docs and Orkans are handy as he11. Removing the Quickdraw and just having a manual switch, is much needed - 15 seconds for Molots with a 10 second reload is too long. Only Orkans and Tulumbas benifit but their reloads are too long to begin with so, the WW Mecha are handicapped. Keep runn'n 'em and you get pretty good and far. I got +915k with just a L4 Vityaz and a L4/Doc.*ahem... and level 12 weapons... Ahem.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 15, 2017 9:04:49 GMT -5
I agree. They get better with use. You need to find a combination of weapons that suit your playstyle. For me, I use multiple Docs and Orkans are handy as he11. Removing the Quickdraw and just having a manual switch, is much needed - 15 seconds for Molots with a 10 second reload is too long. Only Orkans and Tulumbas benifit but their reloads are too long to begin with so, the WW Mecha are handicapped. Keep runn'n 'em and you get pretty good and far. I got +915k with just a L4 Vityaz and a L4/Doc. The only setup that may work out are 4 hydras, but even then you have wait for one of the weapons to go through a total reload. Upgraded mine to 9. I run either 4 x Tulus or 4 x Orcs for serious play and am purely satisfied with the performance of either. I prefer Tulus on it, but it handles both, fine. Level 9 gets you that 51 Km/H speed and a lil' more HP, so, if you do like it, it takes a bit to get it to sing, but once it does, it's a pretty good weapons platform. IMO, YMMV
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Post by Jame-thon on Aug 15, 2017 9:18:32 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 Where's the Tulu+Ork love ; ) lol j/k
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 15, 2017 9:30:28 GMT -5
Why would you go head to head against a Griffin? Griffins need a sign on their front that says "handle with care". I don't have a WW bot, and the Doc was high on my list to get, but think about it, you're facing 4 guns to your 2 in a straight up fight. You got Orkans? He's got Orkans and Pinatas AT THE SAME TIME. I would think the way to play a WW bot is like this: get in range, unload tulus. Hide and seek and hope the other guy has unloaded most of his load. Get closer and unload Orkans. Run like hell back to maximum tulu range. Rinse and repeat.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 15, 2017 10:03:26 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 Where's the Tulu+Ork love ; ) lol j/k Didn't like it too much... I found it better to be focused on one range or another. Not saying that that build doesn't work... but I wasn't happy with it. The versatility of the hybrid builds can't be denied... but overall I prefer the mass damage and simplicity of 4 of the same weapon.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 15, 2017 14:17:58 GMT -5
I agree. They get better with use. You need to find a combination of weapons that suit your playstyle. For me, I use multiple Docs and Orkans are handy as he11. Removing the Quickdraw and just having a manual switch, is much needed - 15 seconds for Molots with a 10 second reload is too long. Only Orkans and Tulumbas benifit but their reloads are too long to begin with so, the WW Mecha are handicapped. Keep runn'n 'em and you get pretty good and far. I got +915k with just a L4 Vityaz and a L4/Doc.*ahem... and level 12 weapons... Ahem. You see this Post, right here? You and your ilk refuse to give credit where credit is due. I chose a certain upgrade path(s) that is working. So, rather than sarcastic remarks or downplaying a Player's, who has extensive experience with the topic of the discussion, achievements you should maybe offer a little acknowledgement. I was helping the OP, you are just grandstanding.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 15, 2017 14:22:00 GMT -5
Why would you go head to head against a Griffin? Griffins need a sign on their front that says "handle with care". I don't have a WW bot, and the Doc was high on my list to get, but think about it, you're facing 4 guns to your 2 in a straight up fight. You got Orkans? He's got Orkans and Pinatas AT THE SAME TIME. I would think the way to play a WW bot is like this: get in range, unload tulus. Hide and seek and hope the other guy has unloaded most of his load. Get closer and unload Orkans. Run like hell back to maximum tulu range. Rinse and repeat. Best tactic for the Doc to engage a DB/RDB Griffin, I found, is to range them until their armour is low or until you're confident you can survive the engagement.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 15, 2017 14:26:18 GMT -5
I agree. They get better with use. You need to find a combination of weapons that suit your playstyle. For me, I use multiple Docs and Orkans are handy as he11. Removing the Quickdraw and just having a manual switch, is much needed - 15 seconds for Molots with a 10 second reload is too long. Only Orkans and Tulumbas benifit but their reloads are too long to begin with so, the WW Mecha are handicapped. Keep runn'n 'em and you get pretty good and far. I got +915k with just a L4 Vityaz and a L4/Doc. The only setup that may work out are 4 hydras, but even then you have wait for one of the weapons to go through a total reload. My preferred loadout is Orkan/Molot. My 2nd Doc is Orkan/Tulumba and my 3rd Doc is Orkan/Hydra. Molots are very good at ranging your Opponents to wear them down. It is my preferred Doc.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 15, 2017 15:21:24 GMT -5
*ahem... and level 12 weapons... Ahem. You see this Post, right here? You and your ilk refuse to give credit where credit is due. I chose a certain upgrade path(s) that is working. So, rather than sarcastic remarks or downplaying a Player's, who has extensive experience with the topic of the discussion, achievements you should maybe offer a little acknowledgement. I was helping the OP, you are just grandstanding. Woah... What do you even mean... "my ilk?" I am sorry if that post offended you as it was not my intention. But, the level of your bots have nothing to do with the amount of damage you got... just wanted to point that out. That was just a light hearted poke... not "grandstanding." I have not been rude to you at all... even in that other thread I had no ill feelings for you and was not, intentionally, rude in the conveying of my ideas that were intended to offer counter arguments to yours. Civilly. I tried to be as comprehensive with my explanation of what I and others had experienced for your benefit, and I did say you can take it or leave it. I sincerely mean that, too, as you can play however you want to. Frankly, though, that thread has nothing to do with this other than showing me that you have level 12 weapons; and that fact belies the connotations you are trying to show with the low level of your bots in the post I quoted in this thread... Hence my jesting nature of pointing that out. It needed to be pointed out, but to talk about, not to fight over. This is a discussion forum, after all, and that is all I wish to do. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. Have a good day. Peace.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 15, 2017 15:49:10 GMT -5
You see this Post, right here? You and your ilk refuse to give credit where credit is due. I chose a certain upgrade path(s) that is working. So, rather than sarcastic remarks or downplaying a Player's, who has extensive experience with the topic of the discussion, achievements you should maybe offer a little acknowledgement. I was helping the OP, you are just grandstanding. Woah... What do you even mean... "my ilk?" I am sorry if that post offended you as it was not my intention. But, the level of your bots have nothing to do with the amount of damage you got... just wanted to point that out. That was just a light hearted poke... not "grandstanding." I have not been rude to you at all... even in that other thread I had no ill feelings for you and was not, intentionally, rude in the conveying of my ideas that were intended to offer counter arguments to yours. Civilly. I tried to be as comprehensive with my explanation of what I and others had experienced for your benefit, and I did say you can take it or leave it. I sincerely mean that, too, as you can play however you want to. Frankly, though, that thread has nothing to do with this other than showing me that you have level 12 weapons; and that fact belies the connotations you are trying to show with the low level of your bots in the post I quoted in this thread... Hence my jesting nature of pointing that out. It needed to be pointed out, but to talk about, not to fight over. This is a discussion forum, after all, and that is all I wish to do. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. Have a good day. Peace. Your quoting of me, without an acknowledgment but rather a remark inferring my achievement is a result weapon's level only and not a combination of experience and proficiency, is offensive. To other Thread, you made a complete novel on how I, be cause of my strategums, are directly responsible for my team's Losses. It's all you entrenched Players say, "Your fault. Change." It really doesn't matter what I write or any alternative I offer, if it's not from a grandfathered Member - heresey. I was showing the the OP that it is possible to do well with WW Mecha, they just need to stick with it. You had to downplay it.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 15, 2017 15:53:08 GMT -5
Woah... What do you even mean... "my ilk?" I am sorry if that post offended you as it was not my intention. But, the level of your bots have nothing to do with the amount of damage you got... just wanted to point that out. That was just a light hearted poke... not "grandstanding." I have not been rude to you at all... even in that other thread I had no ill feelings for you and was not, intentionally, rude in the conveying of my ideas that were intended to offer counter arguments to yours. Civilly. I tried to be as comprehensive with my explanation of what I and others had experienced for your benefit, and I did say you can take it or leave it. I sincerely mean that, too, as you can play however you want to. Frankly, though, that thread has nothing to do with this other than showing me that you have level 12 weapons; and that fact belies the connotations you are trying to show with the low level of your bots in the post I quoted in this thread... Hence my jesting nature of pointing that out. It needed to be pointed out, but to talk about, not to fight over. This is a discussion forum, after all, and that is all I wish to do. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. Have a good day. Peace. Your quoting of me, without an acknowledgment but rather a remark inferring my achievement is a result weapon's level only and not a combination of experience and proficiency, is offensive. To other Thread, you made a complete novel on how I, be cause of my strategums, are directly responsible for my team's Losses. It's all you entrenched Players say, "Your fault. Change." It really doesn't matter what I write or any alternative I offer, if it's not from a grandfathered Member - heresey. I was showing the the OP that it is possible to do well with WW Mecha, they just need to stick with it. You had to downplay it. Look bro, you took what I said and twisted it... that post you commented on that Stokr wrote earlier said the exact same things I was. It is obvious you want to fight and have the last word... so, go ahead. If not, like I said... have a good day. I truly was not trying to offend you, no matter how you take it.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Aug 15, 2017 15:58:12 GMT -5
*ahem... and level 12 weapons... Ahem. You see this Post, right here? You and your ilk refuse to give credit where credit is due. I chose a certain upgrade path(s) that is working. So, rather than sarcastic remarks or downplaying a Player's, who has extensive experience with the topic of the discussion, achievements you should maybe offer a little acknowledgement. I was helping the OP, you are just grandstanding. All ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 did was give factual context to your comment about scoring over 900k with those two lvl 4 bots. If presenting factual context is grandstanding to you, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Furthermore, deliberately withholding pivotal details of the context like that (yes, having lvl 12 weapons is a pivotal detail) is not helpful to the OP, it only makes you appear narcissistic. Are you aware this is how you came across just now?
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Post by Russel on Aug 15, 2017 16:28:05 GMT -5
You see this Post, right here? You and your ilk refuse to give credit where credit is due. I chose a certain upgrade path(s) that is working. So, rather than sarcastic remarks or downplaying a Player's, who has extensive experience with the topic of the discussion, achievements you should maybe offer a little acknowledgement. I was helping the OP, you are just grandstanding. All ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 did was give factual context to your comment about scoring over 900k with those two lvl 4 bots. If presenting factual context is grandstanding to you, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Furthermore, deliberately withholding pivotal details of the context like that (yes, having lvl 12 weapons is a pivotal detail) is not helpful to the OP, it only makes you appear narcissistic. Are you aware this is how you came across just now? Ahh, man, we missed your manners and speech here very much :) P.s. and the avatar, too (sorry for offtopic)
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Post by DarkVagabond on Aug 15, 2017 16:57:18 GMT -5
All ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 did was give factual context to your comment about scoring over 900k with those two lvl 4 bots. If presenting factual context is grandstanding to you, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Furthermore, deliberately withholding pivotal details of the context like that (yes, having lvl 12 weapons is a pivotal detail) is not helpful to the OP, it only makes you appear narcissistic. Are you aware this is how you came across just now? Ahh, man, we missed your manners and speech here very much P.s. and the avatar, too (sorry for offtopic) Awww... shucks bro... ??
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Post by Gilded Wolf on Aug 15, 2017 17:20:56 GMT -5
Whoever said that the bot would be overpowered without a timer has never played with the bot. Even without a timer, you are sitting duck with only a 73K HP(Doc) base. A bot like the Doc that would cost 7500 gold or a lot prodding from your friends on Facebook, should out perform a Griffin. 8 out of 10 times I lose to a Griffin in a one on one battle, pathetic. I guess, I will quit complaining about it and put the bot in storage. I agree. They get better with use. You need to find a combination of weapons that suit your playstyle. For me, I use multiple Docs and Orkans are handy as he11. Removing the Quickdraw and just having a manual switch, is much needed - 15 seconds for Molots with a 10 second reload is too long. Only Orkans and Tulumbas benifit but their reloads are too long to begin with so, the WW Mecha are handicapped. Keep runn'n 'em and you get pretty good and far. I got +915k with just a L4 Vityaz and a L4/Doc. Just out of curiosity, why not level your bots up?
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Post by moody on Aug 15, 2017 17:45:02 GMT -5
Woah... What do you even mean... "my ilk?" I am sorry if that post offended you as it was not my intention. But, the level of your bots have nothing to do with the amount of damage you got... just wanted to point that out. That was just a light hearted poke... not "grandstanding." I have not been rude to you at all... even in that other thread I had no ill feelings for you and was not, intentionally, rude in the conveying of my ideas that were intended to offer counter arguments to yours. Civilly. I tried to be as comprehensive with my explanation of what I and others had experienced for your benefit, and I did say you can take it or leave it. I sincerely mean that, too, as you can play however you want to. Frankly, though, that thread has nothing to do with this other than showing me that you have level 12 weapons; and that fact belies the connotations you are trying to show with the low level of your bots in the post I quoted in this thread... Hence my jesting nature of pointing that out. It needed to be pointed out, but to talk about, not to fight over. This is a discussion forum, after all, and that is all I wish to do. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. Have a good day. Peace. Your quoting of me, without an acknowledgment but rather a remark inferring my achievement is a result weapon's level only and not a combination of experience and proficiency, is offensive. Quoting an achievement without listing 'all' the facts, especially a fact that important, can't be seen as honest.
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Post by sidebandit on Aug 15, 2017 19:57:25 GMT -5
I run 2 Doc's not in the same hanger and not a Doc all of the time. Hydra Doc which I use tactically either towards the end of the games to clean up damaged reds or when several reds are a round a beacon on built up maps as bait to draw them away from beacon and chase. The secret with this config is knowing when to ditch to help your team more. The 2nd config, Tuls/Orks with Tuls on the highest mount. Making use of the speed advantage and using cover - Peeka boo behind cover and when they close in switch to Orks.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 15, 2017 22:03:37 GMT -5
You see this Post, right here? You and your ilk refuse to give credit where credit is due. I chose a certain upgrade path(s) that is working. So, rather than sarcastic remarks or downplaying a Player's, who has extensive experience with the topic of the discussion, achievements you should maybe offer a little acknowledgement. I was helping the OP, you are just grandstanding. All ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 did was give factual context to your comment about scoring over 900k with those two lvl 4 bots. If presenting factual context is grandstanding to you, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Furthermore, deliberately withholding pivotal details of the context like that (yes, having lvl 12 weapons is a pivotal detail) is not helpful to the OP, it only makes you appear narcissistic. Are you aware this is how you came across just now? The context of his "quoting" me was clear. I've been followed through numerous Threads and attacked on a basis that has no bearing on the topic at hand. It's getting out of control. My omission of weapons levels has absolutely nothing to do with the statement I made. You are not in possession of the facts and formed a conclusion based on an observation. But this is what happens every time lately when I make a Post - anywhere .. the conversation details to attacking me.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 15, 2017 22:09:22 GMT -5
Your quoting of me, without an acknowledgment but rather a remark inferring my achievement is a result weapon's level only and not a combination of experience and proficiency, is offensive. To other Thread, you made a complete novel on how I, be cause of my strategums, are directly responsible for my team's Losses. It's all you entrenched Players say, "Your fault. Change." It really doesn't matter what I write or any alternative I offer, if it's not from a grandfathered Member - heresey. I was showing the the OP that it is possible to do well with WW Mecha, they just need to stick with it. You had to downplay it. Look bro, you took what I said and twisted it... that post you commented on that Stokr wrote earlier said the exact same things I was. It is obvious you want to fight and have the last word... so, go ahead. If not, like I said... have a good day. I truly was not trying to offend you, no matter how you take it. Then why quote me and try to undermine my helping the OP to begin with? Why not just add a comment? ..
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 15, 2017 22:12:52 GMT -5
Your quoting of me, without an acknowledgment but rather a remark inferring my achievement is a result weapon's level only and not a combination of experience and proficiency, is offensive. Quoting an achievement without listing 'all' the facts, especially a fact that important, can't be seen as honest. You just don't want to acknowledge that you may be wrong. That I may, actually, know a thing or two or twelve .. Think you could do better with my Hangar? ..
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Post by moody on Aug 15, 2017 22:21:42 GMT -5
Quoting an achievement without listing 'all' the facts, especially a fact that important, can't be seen as honest. You just don't want to acknowledge that you may be wrong. That I may, actually, know a thing or two or twelve .. Think you could do better with my Hangar? .. I wouldn't have your hangar - that's the whole bloody point! I am not talking about the bots, I'm talking about low number of slots and ridiculously leveled weapons in Gold 3. I think that I could use a few docs pretty decently at my level if they were leveled at the same rate as the rest of my hangar - unfortunately my doc is only level 5 at the moment and not worth putting into action.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Aug 16, 2017 1:24:56 GMT -5
All ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 did was give factual context to your comment about scoring over 900k with those two lvl 4 bots. If presenting factual context is grandstanding to you, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Furthermore, deliberately withholding pivotal details of the context like that (yes, having lvl 12 weapons is a pivotal detail) is not helpful to the OP, it only makes you appear narcissistic. Are you aware this is how you came across just now? The context of his "quoting" me was clear. I've been followed through numerous Threads and attacked on a basis that has no bearing on the topic at hand. It's getting out of control. My omission of weapons levels has absolutely nothing to do with the statement I made. You are not in possession of the facts and formed a conclusion based on an observation. But this is what happens every time lately when I make a Post - anywhere .. the conversation details to attacking me. My statement stands. Omitting pivotal details does not help OP, it only gives the appearance you are misleading them to big note yourself. Your weapon levels have everything to do with earning 900k with those two bots. So does having those weapon levels within the comparatively low League in which you use them. It doesn't necessarily mean you aren't also skilled, but one starts to question your skill level if you appear to feel the need to deliberately omit these details. Explaining your weapon and League development to the OP helps them make INFORMED choices for their own personal progression. Otherwise they waste time thinking they can emulate your achievements with only conventional weapon levels typical of Android Silver League (lvl 6 - 9). If you are at all interested in helping players on the forum, please take note and give context of how your personal situation differs from the norm. Only then can readers decide how practical your advice may or may not be for their own situation. If you do this I'm pretty sure you'll also find that the conversation will remain on topic rather than questioning your ethics or character. Win - win?
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 16, 2017 10:30:13 GMT -5
You just don't want to acknowledge that you may be wrong. That I may, actually, know a thing or two or twelve .. Think you could do better with my Hangar? .. I wouldn't have your hangar - that's the whole bloody point! I am not talking about the bots, I'm talking about low number of slots and ridiculously leveled weapons in Gold 3. I think that I could use a few docs pretty decently at my level if they were leveled at the same rate as the rest of my hangar - unfortunately my doc is only level 5 at the moment and not worth putting into action. Then you're talking sideways. I'm talking from experience.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 16, 2017 10:41:45 GMT -5
The context of his "quoting" me was clear. I've been followed through numerous Threads and attacked on a basis that has no bearing on the topic at hand. It's getting out of control. My omission of weapons levels has absolutely nothing to do with the statement I made. You are not in possession of the facts and formed a conclusion based on an observation. But this is what happens every time lately when I make a Post - anywhere .. the conversation details to attacking me. My statement stands. Omitting pivotal details does not help OP, it only gives the appearance you are misleading them to big note yourself. Your weapon levels have everything to do with earning 900k with those two bots. So does having those weapon levels within the comparatively low League in which you use them. It doesn't necessarily mean you aren't also skilled, but one starts to question your skill level if you appear to feel the need to deliberately omit these details. Explaining your weapon and League development to the OP helps them make INFORMED choices for their own personal progression. Otherwise they waste time thinking they can emulate your achievements with only conventional weapon levels typical of Android Silver League (lvl 6 - 9). If you are at all interested in helping players on the forum, please take note and give context of how your personal situation differs from the norm. Only then can readers decide how practical your advice may or may not be for their own situation. If you do this I'm pretty sure you'll also find that the conversation will remain on topic rather than questioning your ethics or character. Win - win? I disagre. Other Players have achieved greater numbers with lower Weapons. Your argument is moot. The point that the OP is able to derive from statement(s) in question is, the level of mecha is not always relevant. Rather a greater proficiency in their use, is. In fact, I stressed that particular point in the Post prior to making "the statement." Reading the Post in context, anyone would come to the same conclusions that I have stated, here. Individuals needs to stop cherry-picking blurbs and fomenting an argument.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 16, 2017 11:35:36 GMT -5
Guys... can we please leave FB be? Regardless of the subject of the tangent and how we each feel... The thread, itself, is derailed. I apologize to the OP for helping it get there... debate about the Gunslingers and the reason for or against a timer for switching is where we should be focusing our energies, here. In all sincerity...we pointed out what we disagreed or agreed with re:Firebeard, and both sides said their pieces. Regardless of who is "right" or "wrong", both viewpoints were represented, and there is not much more either side can say that hasn't been already.
In that vein: To the OP... I don't think I agree that the cool downs should be done away with.
At first, I did... but now, after thinking about my experiences gained from running them extensively, or going against them, for a while, I tend to think that they are where they need to be.
First, there isn't really a reason to change Jesse's, as none of the lights have reload times that would be too far off of his cool down of the switch ability. Now, I guess the argument for being able to change types of damage or range options if using hybrid builds on demand, could be made... but I will focus on the reload times vs ability CD for common builds that use 4 of a single weapon that can shoot massive, let's call them "super salvos" of very good weapons. These are the ones that would cause the most impact for others if the cool downs were removed, in my opinion.
In the hypothetical example of Butch, the ability to shoot off 4 Tridents every... what?... 12 seconds? or 4 Zeuses every 7 or 8 seconds? (However long it would take to shoot the first 2, switch, shoot the second 2, then for the current set to reload and do it again... I am not doing the math right now... sorry!) would, possibly, put it over the top. Having a limit is prudent. The way it is now makes the "super salvo" a tactical game changer rather than a constant threat.
The performance that one can already get from a properly leveled "super salvo" from a Doc or a Butch, is enough to do drastic damage. If it were to be available all the time... it could definitely cause an imbalance. From my experience, there is good balance now. A lot of damage potential, even if not constantly available, damn good speed, and semi fragile HP frames have provided a bot that can be utilized with good success if used with caution and discernment. I am absolutely a scaredy cat when I am in Doc or Jesse, death is always a single blast away... but I can dish out that same death at tactically important times and make a real impact on the match already, even with the cool downs we have in place, as long as I am thinking ahead. They are skill bots to a large degree.
Right now, with the current meta, anyway, constantly available 4 x medium or heavy weapon salvos would be too much. In the future... who knows?
This is just my opinion... YMMV.
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