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Post by firedeathkill on Aug 6, 2017 8:23:02 GMT -5
I love it when we are literally slaughtering the other team to nothing(1 to 2 bots left), but yet it says we lost due to" The other team had the strategic advantage" How does one or two bots against 3-5 bots constitute winning by "Strategic Advantage" ? ... note this is not a loss due to: "They Had more Beacons", that one I can understand. Can anyone explain this cuz I am at a loss. Seems like a pretty arbitrary call to me.
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Post by stokr on Aug 6, 2017 8:25:49 GMT -5
Their beacon bar had more time on it that yours. Your team may have taken a bot advantage, but the beacon bars had not shifted in your favor.
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Post by firedeathkill on Aug 6, 2017 8:27:03 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just an idiot but I have no idea what a beacon bar is..lol
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Post by fatdogmagic on Aug 6, 2017 10:11:19 GMT -5
At the top of the screen there's a blue and red meter bar. It goes down during the match so if the reds had more meter left they won
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 6, 2017 13:18:34 GMT -5
At the top of the screen there's a blue and red meter bar. It goes down during the match so if the reds had more meter left they won Yes, and these are the sole indicators of territory control, which apparently a lot of players know nothing about, or they wouldn't hang back at spawn waiting until the end of the game to start grabbing beacons. Both bars start dropping at the beginning of the game; the more beacons your team has, the slower your beacon bar drops. But it always drops, even if you have all 5 beacons (red's bar just drops a lot faster), which is why you can have a big bot and beacon advantage at the end of the game and still lose.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Aug 6, 2017 13:33:37 GMT -5
Both bars start dropping at the beginning of the game; the more beacons your team has, the slower your beacon bar drops. But it always drops, even if you have all 5 beacons (red's bar just drops a lot faster) I thought it was the other way around. The beacon bars don't move until a beacon is captured, which causes the opposing teams bar to drop.
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Post by amidf on Aug 6, 2017 13:37:32 GMT -5
Both bars start dropping at the beginning of the game; the more beacons your team has, the slower your beacon bar drops. But it always drops, even if you have all 5 beacons (red's bar just drops a lot faster) I thought it was the other way around. The beacon bars don't move until a beacon is captured, which causes the opposing teams bar to drop. Pulse Hadron is correct. Each beacon that is blue depletes the red team's bar at a certain rate and vice versa. When there are no red beacons, blue's bar will not change. -Amid
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Post by inspirace on Aug 6, 2017 14:32:12 GMT -5
easiest way to understand: if the red team had 3:2 beacon advantage for the first >5min (actual time with beacon captured), you will lose even if you maintain 3:2 advantage for the rest of the match. to win in such a case, you will need to make 4:1 for some time.
if you manage to have a 5:0 advantage, your beacon bar will stop depleting and enemy beacon bar will start shrinking visibly. so even if you have a pixel of bar left, you can make a comeback if there is enough time left to completly use up enemy beacon bar,
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 6, 2017 14:36:28 GMT -5
"Strategic advantage:" .. You or your Opponents posses more Beacons or Beacons held for a longer duration.
"Tactical advantage:" .. removed your Opponents ability to make War (destroyed them all)
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Post by hyderier on Aug 6, 2017 15:40:15 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just an idiot but I have no idea what a beacon bar is..lol Congrats on asking, then! The beacon bar is what matters in this game. Beacons only reduce enemy beacon bar. Damage only matters as tool to keep beacons, and to destroy enough enemy bots so they lose their ability keep beacons (or mech out completely for elimination win). It is possible that all bots of one side are just destroyed and all their beacons captured, yet they still win. This happens, if time runs out before the "all enemy bots destroyed" triggers, and if they still have more beacon bar when time runs out. But even if the beacon bar situation looks desperate, never despair. Keep pushing, and the situation can be reversed very late in the game, if you can get 4:1 beacon lead (usually after enemies start to mech out, sometimes thanks to late-game beacon capper hero).
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Post by GuitarGuy on Aug 6, 2017 15:43:36 GMT -5
Ive seen many battles lost like this. I remember when I was in Bronze still and a guy named The Joker who played gold tier would drop into low silver and help teach us tactics was a big damage freak, I would question him on beacon control and he would say " they cant cap beacons if there all dead".. true, but as I quickly learned, they dont have to. If they get the beacon advantage early and hold it, they will win the game, even posthumously. After losing some games back then I have always made it a consciousness effort, beacons before kills. And it works! Last I looked, Joker was at around 7500 victories. after playing 2 and half years, me? one year in and im over 10K victories. I learned a ton of valuble stuff from him, but beacon control wasnt one of them..:-)
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 6, 2017 17:30:00 GMT -5
I thought it was the other way around. The beacon bars don't move until a beacon is captured, which causes the opposing teams bar to drop. Pulse Hadron is correct. Each beacon that is blue depletes the red team's bar at a certain rate and vice versa. When there are no red beacons, blue's bar will not change. -Amid You sure about that? I've seen blue team lose while holding all the beacons. The only way that can happen is if their bar keeps falling even if there are no red beacons. I'm pretty sure if nobody grabs a beacon, both bars will deplete in 10 minutes.
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Post by amidf on Aug 6, 2017 17:47:12 GMT -5
Pulse Hadron is correct. Each beacon that is blue depletes the red team's bar at a certain rate and vice versa. When there are no red beacons, blue's bar will not change. -Amid You sure about that? I've seen blue team lose while holding all the beacons. The only way that can happen is if their bar keeps falling even if there are no red beacons. I'm pretty sure if nobody grabs a beacon, both bars will deplete in 10 minutes. I'm sure. When one team holds 5 beacons, they can still lose when time runs out (but there had to be little time left when they got the 5th beacon) or if they are meched out. -Amid
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Post by Mammoth Mk-2 on Aug 6, 2017 21:12:21 GMT -5
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 6, 2017 21:40:46 GMT -5
I guess I sit corrected. Thanks for the enlightening.
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Post by amidf on Aug 6, 2017 22:04:01 GMT -5
I guess I sit corrected. Thanks for the enlightening. Dang. I wish I had such a visual when I first made the claim! I am working on my league qualification visual, but I bet someone will scoop me. -Amid
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Post by WilsonK on Aug 6, 2017 22:18:47 GMT -5
I love it when we are literally slaughtering the other team to nothing(1 to 2 bots left), but yet it says we lost due to" The other team had the strategic advantage" How does one or two bots against 3-5 bots constitute winning by "Strategic Advantage" ? ... note this is not a loss due to: "They Had more Beacons", that one I can understand. Can anyone explain this cuz I am at a loss. Seems like a pretty arbitrary call to me. Probably the best game mode for you would be team deathmatch brawl.. Hopefully there is such a mode when future game modes are released. Where bots matter and not beacons, there ain't gonna be any beacons, just pure brawling till the last man stands!
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Post by IRON Mechhuntr. Amazon. on Aug 7, 2017 11:33:16 GMT -5
I remember that joker guy. Just ignored beacons and went for the slaughter the whole time. I always thought that was pretty dumb tbh. So many folks just have no idea how the beacons work even after hundreds of games.
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