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Post by Pbartender on Jan 4, 2017 16:14:15 GMT -5
Okay. I've been playing the game for a month or so. At this point, I'd classify myself somewhere between 'experienced noob' and 'modest veteran'...
While I am not exactly a talented pilot, I do have a keen understanding of basic tactics, and a solid theorectical grasp on some of the more advanced techniques, even if I don't always have the dexterity to pull them off. Given a team of players who know what they're about, I can occasionally pull off some nifty tricks.
With 4 open slots in my stable, I usually run a Light Capper, two Medium Knife Fighters, and a Medium Sniper/Support. I've had a lot of success with that general set-up, but have been testing the waters with different load-outs and configurations. Previously, a typical stable for me might look something like this...
3/6 Orkan Cossack 2/5 Plasma/Thunder Golem 2/5 Plasma/Thunder Golem 2/5 Kang/Spiral Vityaz
Now that the Christmas event is over and I've collected a whole pile of *crap* from the snowflakes, I'm trying to figure out what direction to go in next. Here's what I've got to work with, at the moment:
LEVEL 27
Victories: 317 Max Destroyed: 11 Max Damage: 494,059 Max Winning Series: 16
Last 50 Battles Average Destroyed: 3.0 Damage: 216,289 Victories: 76%
Ag 17,877,531 Au 4,124 WSP 5,060
BOTS
Cossack L1 x2, L3 x2 Gepard L1 x2
Boa L1 x4, L2 x1 Golem L1 x3, L2 x2 Patton L1 x5, L2 x1 Vityaz L1 x4, L2 x2
Griffin L6 x2 Leo L6 x2 Natasha L6 x1
WEAPONS
Magnum L6 x4 Molot L1 x12, L3 x1 Noricum L5 x8 Pin L5 x2 Pinata L5 x10 Punisher L1 x5, L3 x2, L4 x2 Spiral L1 x7, L5 x4
Molot-T L1 x16, L5 x1 Orkan L5 x1, L6 x1 Punisher-T L1 x10, L2 x3, L3 x1, L4 x1 Taran L5 x2 Tulumbas L5 x3
Ancile L3 x1 Kang-Dae L5 x5 KwK 448mm L3 x14 Thunder L5 x6, L6 x1 Zenit L5 x9 Zeus L5 x1
So, what do you guys think? Any ideas? If you were me, what would you do?
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Post by Flukey*Lukey on Jan 4, 2017 16:23:13 GMT -5
You are currently in bronze tier so with that in mind you already have two gepards so you will want to upgrade at least one of them and probably put magnums on it. For your gold I would say get fifth slot and then aim for a hanger like this: MagGep (others may not agree however it is the best bot for your level) Taran thunder boa x2 Plasma golem Orkan thunder boa However MM is changing soon so this may not work afterwards
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 16:31:18 GMT -5
1. Save you 4K gold for your 5th slot. 2. Get rid of that cossack if you have gepards. 3. Replace the Vityaz with a Zeus Tulumbas Pin Golem as your support. A good hangar that has your items would look like this at 4/6: Magnum Gepard <- Beacon capper Zeus Tulumbas Pin Golem <- support Taran Boa <- knife fighter Taran Boa <- knife fighter
When you get 5th slot, get either a pinata vityaz or a thunder orkan pinata Golem.
Taran Boas are the lancelots in around low silver. They do moderate damage is very tanky. The only thing that would match your firepower is a Dual Thunder Natasha or a Thunder Pinata / Magnum Leo
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Post by Pbartender on Jan 4, 2017 16:33:41 GMT -5
You are currently in bronze tier so with that in mind you already have two gepards so you will want to upgrade at least one of them and probably put magnums on it. For your gold I would say get fifth slot and then aim for a hanger like this: MagGep (others may not agree however it is the best bot for your level) Taran thunder boa x2 Plasma golem Orkan thunder boa However MM is changing soon so this may not work afterwards Oh, I'm absolutely saving my gold for a fifth slot. I don't often go through all my bots in a battle, but if nothing else, it'll give me a little extra variety in my load-outs. You know, I played around with a 1/6 MagGep for a bit. Either the Reds were so green (hah!) that they had no idea what they were in for, and I slaughtered them... Or they had run across seal-clubbers before and then suddenly I'd become THE ONLY TARGET EVAR.I'm not yet sure if they're my cup of tea.
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Post by Trogon on Jan 4, 2017 16:33:42 GMT -5
Your damage and win stats look good. You must be a decent pilot. What I would do in the short term (what I did) is level up a hangar of mediums to 4/6, then slowly start leveling them to 4/8, trying to keep them all about the same as you go. This will move you gradually from bronze into low silver. You can also throw a light in there, and its weapons could be leveled a few levels higher than the mediums. Some good combos that I (and/or others) have had success with, going solely with what you currently have:
thunder/taran Boa thunder/orkan Boa thunder/taran/mag Golem quad pinata Patton thunder/magnum Vityaz tri pinata Gepard tri magnum Gepard quad spiral Patton, although this one will not have as much staying power as you level up quad molot Patton is also decent for midrange at levels 4/6 taran Cossack orkan Cossack If you want a strong midrange, my advice would be either buy a Trident and do a trident/tulum/pin Golem, or buy 2 more pins and do a quad CRV pin Patton. A lot of folks think the Golem is the king of midrange at these levels. I've had a lot of success with the quad-pin Patton, so I would say take your pick.
Once you have a solid 4/7 or 4/8 hangar of mediums, with 3/9 or 4/9 lights, you should be very well positioned to save up for your fifth slot and you can start planning your transition to high silver/low gold.
Just my 2 cents from a player who's a few months ahead of you.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 4, 2017 16:34:05 GMT -5
(written before I saw any of the other responses)
Your close to that 5th slot, so get that next. Sell the Noricums and Zenits. You might want to get rid of the Kang-Daes as KwKs have a higher DPM. Don't think you'll need more than 2-3 KwKs, as you don't want more than one sniper bot in your hangar.
For your lineup, I'd just suggest upgrading it to 4/6, which I think is the limit of high Bronze. You can stick around there to farm gold for a while or push on into Silver at 4/7 and then 4/8. It'll be a bit of a bump in difficulty, but not too bad. For your knife fighters, you may want to give Thunder/Taran and Thunder/Orkan Boas a try, as well as 4X Pinata Pattons, but if the Golems work well, just stick with them. I'd replace the sniper Vityaz with a midranger such as a Zeus/Tulumbas/CRV Pin Golem or Quad CRV-Pin Patton (you'd have to buy 2 more Pins). Quad Spiral Patton can do some damage and be fun, but Spirals lose effectiveness higher up and you don't really learn much from them. Kinda similar for Quad-Mag Patton, which can dominate some matches at your tier but won't be able to higher up. And try a Taran on the Cossack too, if you haven't already.
When you get the 5th slot, I'd say make it another knife fighter and to use it to experiment with a variety of setups with it, now that you have all this equipment to play with. When you get into Silver, try taking the Griffins for a spin, starting maybe with Russian Death Button (Tulus/CRV Pins) and then Death Button (Orkan/Pinata) and Plasma Death Button (Taran/Magnum). The next gold purchases to look at would be 2 more Orkans and perhaps some Aphids and then a BritBot. For next WSP, consider Trident, additional Taran(s), Rhino, or Carnage.
Just my $0.04 (inflation).
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Post by Trogon on Jan 4, 2017 16:35:29 GMT -5
I can see a lot of us are giving similar advice
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 4, 2017 16:40:06 GMT -5
And if it were me, I'd actually keep the Gepard shelved in favor of the Cossack, as the Gep seems way too OP in Bronze to be fun or to learn anything (but yeah, it is the best bot in the tier). If you really want to bring it out, do it in High Silver, where it will still have quite a bit of effectiveness but not unbalance things so much.
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Post by Trogon on Jan 4, 2017 16:41:56 GMT -5
And if it were me, I'd actually keep the Gepard shelved in favor of the Cossack, as the Gep seems way too OP in Bronze to be fun or to learn anything (but yeah, it is the best bot in the tier). If you really want to bring it out, do it in High Silver, where it will still have quite a bit of effectiveness but not unbalance things so much. Agree to disagree I've been using my pinata Gep all the way and I love it. It's not as OP as magnums or aphids, imo. I've actually tried it in high silver, and it gets toasted pretty quickly, at least with the pinatas. Now, if I can level up some magnums or aphids for it...
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Post by Pbartender on Jan 4, 2017 16:44:42 GMT -5
I can see a lot of us are giving similar advice Quite. Okay... Before I dive into mucking out my stable, a quick question on 'tiers'. Honestly, they baffle me. I see a lot about what people say should or should not show up at different tiers, and I see a lot about 'bot and weapon level combinations should or should not show up at different tiers. With my current typical stable of 2/5-ish mediums, I occasionally run across Yamantau and/or heavy robots, when I wouldn't necessarily expect to. That said, I think the bottom line is simply making certain that 'bot and weapon level are consistent (and that weapon levels are a few levels higher than 'bot levels), so that no matter what 'tier' you're at, all your 'bots are viable. Okay, so maybe not a question... Unless the question is: "Tiers... 「whiskey tango foxtrot」?"
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Post by Trogon on Jan 4, 2017 16:47:36 GMT -5
I can see a lot of us are giving similar advice Quite. Okay... Before I dive into mucking out my stable, a quick question on 'tiers'. Honestly, they baffle me. I see a lot about what people say should or should not show up at different tiers, and I see a lot about 'bot and weapon level combinations should or should not show up at different tiers. With my current typical stable of 2/5-ish mediums, I occasionally run across Yamantau and/or heavy robots, when I wouldn't necessarily expect to. That said, I think the bottom line is simply making certain that 'bot and weapon level are consistent (and that weapon levels are a few levels higher than 'bot levels), so that no matter what 'tier' you're at, all your 'bots are viable. Okay, so maybe not a question... Unless the question is: "Tiers... 「whiskey tango foxtrot」?" I actually agree with you on tiers. I think of them as more a convenient shorthand to discuss the average level and types of opposition you are likely to face based on your current hangar strength and other factors, like your win % and whether you have any WSP or shield bots. There do seem to be consistent patterns, and a lot of people do report significant changes in the difficulty of the competition at certain level transitions. And the heavies you encounter with 2/5 mediums are probably equipped with low level (1-3) weapons. Although you may see an occasional outlier. I've occasionally been in battles with 8/8 heavies using my 4/8 mediums, for example.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 4, 2017 16:54:57 GMT -5
And if it were me, I'd actually keep the Gepard shelved in favor of the Cossack, as the Gep seems way too OP in Bronze to be fun or to learn anything (but yeah, it is the best bot in the tier). If you really want to bring it out, do it in High Silver, where it will still have quite a bit of effectiveness but not unbalance things so much. Agree to disagree I've been using my pinata Gep all the way and I love it. It's not as OP as magnums or aphids, imo. I've actually tried it in high silver, and it gets toasted pretty quickly, at least with the pinatas. Now, if I can level up some magnums or aphids for it... Ah, when I think Gep, I almost automatically think tri-Mag or tri-Aphid. Yeah, I would agree that pretty much any other setup on the Gep will not be ridiculously overpowered in Bronze. Ditto if you use it primarily as a beacon-capper and not a wipe-all-of-the-Reds-off-the-face-of-the-map bot, of course.
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Post by Pbartender on Jan 4, 2017 17:06:39 GMT -5
And the heavies you encounter with 2/5 mediums are probably equipped with low level (1-3) weapons. Although you may see an occasional outlier. I've occasionally been in battles with 8/8 heavies using my 4/8 mediums, for example. Oh, absolutely... By and large, they seem to be people who aren't sure what they're doing, and are surprised to find themselves in more robot than they can handle. Sometimes, though, I can't help but be the one thinking, "I shouldn't be here."
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 4, 2017 17:21:49 GMT -5
And if it were me, I'd actually keep the Gepard shelved in favor of the Cossack, as the Gep seems way too OP in Bronze to be fun or to learn anything (but yeah, it is the best bot in the tier). If you really want to bring it out, do it in High Silver, where it will still have quite a bit of effectiveness but not unbalance things so much. *flies in* IIIII AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 4, 2017 17:26:10 GMT -5
Wait, how does a flightless Cossack fly in?
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 4, 2017 17:29:04 GMT -5
Wait, how does a flightless Cossack fly in? Falling, mostly
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 4, 2017 17:42:54 GMT -5
Ah, so like Toy Story's falling with style or more like in Life, the Universe, and Everything's falling but missing the ground?
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 4, 2017 17:45:31 GMT -5
Ah, so like Toy Story's falling with style or more like in Life, the Universe, and Everything's falling but missing the ground? Bit of both. its a lot more vertical though, like directly vertical. Like a griffin you thundered that decided to jump over your head vertical.
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Post by Pbartender on Jan 4, 2017 17:47:04 GMT -5
Okay, so the first steps are definitely... - Fifth stall in the stable.
- All weapons to same level.
- All bots to half weapon level.
- Progressively and evenly increase levels.
Then, it's just a matter of finding a set of bots with load-outs I can get down with.
Hrm...
I've been having a lot of fun with the Cossack... I have a talent for getting behind enemy lines, and causing trouble -- knocking out lonely campers, poaching beacons, and/or causing enough distraction to keep several Reds distracted from the front lines. I can be pretty good at cat and mouse games in Cossacks, if I do say so myself.
The Golems, and to a lesser extent the Vityazs, have been my mainstay... short range heavy hitters that don't always last long in combat, but because I'm often using them to lead the charge and break the enemy lines.
I also like the idea of mobile artillery... Something that's long range, but not a camper. I've experimented with the idea -- Quad Spiral Patton, Quad Molot Patton, Nor/Zen Natasha (which I had some surprising successes with), assorted configurations of Golems and Vityazs -- but have to find a solution that works in a proper fashion. Although, I will admit that there was something rather satisfying about the rain of fire that Natasha could produce.
My one real weakness is 'rockets'. The unguided missiles... Pinatas & Pins. I know it's sad. Everyone likes them so much. For whatever reason, I have yet to get the hang of them. They get off early, or my thumb bobbles the aim, or I'm stuck waiting for the goddamnable things to reload, while some Red shoves a Magnum up my 「bum-bum」. Orkans, for whatever reason (maybe because after the initial burst, the provide steady fire?), are the exception. I do pretty well with those. Especially on my Cossack.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 4, 2017 18:06:39 GMT -5
Yeah, it took me a while to get the hang of Pins and significantly longer for Pinatas. Just give it time. Orkans are supposed to be a lot easier with their reloading-while-firing and ability to stop firing when you want.
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Post by Pbartender on Jan 4, 2017 18:12:05 GMT -5
Yeah, it took me a while to get the hang of Pins and significantly longer for Pinatas. Just give it time. Orkans are supposed to be a lot easier with their reloading-while-firing and ability to stop firing when you want. I was thinking I might give the Zeus/Tulum/Pin Golem a try... That'd give me the mid-longish range option that would still be modestly useful at short range. Plus, it'd give me practice with the rockets, while still having the quick-charging and hard-hitting Zeus as back-up.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 4, 2017 18:25:31 GMT -5
Yeah, that sounds good. Plus, mistakes aren't as costly in a midranger, so you have more time to learn.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Jan 4, 2017 18:26:33 GMT -5
Okay, so maybe not a question... Unless the question is: "Tiers... 「whiskey tango foxtrot」?" BWAAAHAHAAAHAHAAAHAHAAAHAHAA! Buddy, you are SO not alone! I think the most important lesson to learn about Matchmaker advice is proper respect for the term "should". To whit: "There is a lot of 'should' in the world, try to avoid stepping in it." See also: "Your Mileage May Vary" and "Defecation Occurs" (「dookie」 happens but not censored)
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Post by Pbartender on Jan 4, 2017 20:14:46 GMT -5
Yeah, that sounds good. Plus, mistakes aren't as costly in a midranger, so you have more time to learn. Alright. Working with this team for now... The plasma Golems are tearing it up almost as much as any MagGep, and I'm rather enjoying the mid-range Golem. It's a good start.
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Post by lephturn on Jan 4, 2017 22:09:42 GMT -5
Really like your hangar here - I need a few weapons to get my Golems in the game. I think a TOP Golem is Thunder Orkan Pinata. I'll try one of those along with a plasma Golem like that. I will keep a Taran on my Cossack - I just love corner shooting with it. It's amazing how often I can whittle down reds with a good corner shooting position. I am all 2/6 lights right now but just bumped my Cossack to 2/7 Taran.
I'm not parking my Aphid Gep yet - that's my ace in the hole. Once I get another Aphid I'll try a quad Aphid Patton. I will canibalize my Mag Gep 2/6 for Mags for the Golems, I like that idea. And nothing eats enemy Gep clubbers like a Thunder to the face.
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Post by rags on Jan 4, 2017 22:38:26 GMT -5
You have 2x tarans and 2x orkans, put those suckers on some griffins.
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Post by Pbartender on Jan 5, 2017 10:22:09 GMT -5
You have 2x tarans and 2x orkans, put those suckers on some griffins. Oh, it's too early for that just yet... I don't want to become one of the guys I currently hunt.
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Post by lephturn on Jan 5, 2017 11:40:22 GMT -5
You have 2x tarans and 2x orkans, put those suckers on some griffins. Interesting - I don't have the Orkans yet - grinding gold for them now. I have a Griffin and I just won a Rhino with my end of contest box, but I'm not feeling ready to step into that deep end of the pool quite yet. I want the Orkans for a rocket Golem like above. Do you prefer an Orkan or a Taran on your Cossack? Maybe the Orkan Cossack works better once you face shield bots more often. I'm going to run one of each for a bit with 2 Golems and my Aphid Gep to see how it goes. I like having a second Cossack to pick up beacons late game to save a win. But boy - I'm finding it hard to adjust to the slow Golems after running nothing but Cossacks and Gepards for a while.
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Post by Pbartender on Jan 5, 2017 13:54:28 GMT -5
Do you prefer an Orkan or a Taran on your Cossack? Maybe the Orkan Cossack works better once you face shield bots more often. I'm going to run one of each for a bit with 2 Golems and my Aphid Gep to see how it goes. I like having a second Cossack to pick up beacons late game to save a win. Personally, I prefer Orkans on Cossacks. I tend to view my Cossack forays as suicide missions... Head out, grab a beacon or two, sneak behind enemy lines, dump a full load of Orkan in some Red's tailpipe, and then run away spitting rockets at them along the way. Sometimes the initial volley is enough, I can take them out with a few more single shots. If they survive and don't follow, I reload the Orkan and hit them again. If they do follow, I'll lead them on a chase, hopefully sucking one or two more Reds into the fun, before they blast me to smithereens. Very often, it'll be enough of a distraction that my teammates can press the advantage.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 5, 2017 14:03:48 GMT -5
Oddly, I use Tarans on my Cossacks more often (the Orkans are always on my Rhino), but I do find Orkans on them more fun. Probably how they fly when you unload them during a jump.
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