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Post by VivaLaResistance on Jul 31, 2017 20:21:38 GMT -5
Hey all! Our little minions over at Pixonic are looking for some feedback on the Match Maker. I call them OUR minions because they do this stuff for US! haah anyways........
Please respond to this thread with your wisest insight as we know that everyone here has. NO BULLPOOP....it will just be deleted.
Follow this format also.
1. Pilot ID - Platform
2. Current League
3. Describe your experience with Match Making. (Be concise please)
I am not looking to come back to this and start reading a stockpile of rants! If what you say comes off like you're just venting rather then being constructive and truly giving legitimate concerned feedback then it will likely be ignored.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 20:37:20 GMT -5
Pilot id: NGR6KT Platform:iOS League: gold I Description: I been playing on my alt account, so since the mm changes I haven't played a lot on my main account. I have started playing a lot recently, and now, I have been met with an barrage of 12/12 spydras. The matches seem to get tougher, but my all brawler hangar is always getting top place. Although my matches are getting more and more difficult, I just keep climbing and climbing. Even when squading with my expert friend, I feel the experience is pretty much the same, except there are less campers.
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iOS - clan BMF
Posts: 91
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Pilot name: RANDOM
Platform: iOS
Clan: BMF
League: Top
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Post by RΛИDØM on Jul 31, 2017 21:13:42 GMT -5
1. IOS
2. Champion
3. I like the way League matchmaking works - but I would like to see a more casual alternative matchmaking mode available. Casual mode would not count toward League points and would be based around hangar strength rather than Elo. Players could choose which mode to play depending on whether they feel like going at the game all out or just having a couple beers / stuck somewhere with no wifi. Would also like to see a higher silver multiplier for Premium - especially in upper Leagues. Occasional players who have been with the game a long time have difficulty keeping equipment current under the current system. I would also like to see a light robots only game mode for fast and furious destruction! - this mode would also make maxed out light robots useful for something again.
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Post by joshfishyu on Jul 31, 2017 21:26:23 GMT -5
oPlatform: Android ID: F783T9 League: Expert II Description: The MM is balanced most of the time (Except squads, they always cause unbalanced MM). The only complain I have is tankers /faders, they really ruin some of the best gameplay experience. Platform: PC ID: IP9RW8 League: Champion Description: The MM on PC is totally crazy... You really should not throw new players and high level players together in same game, it's not fun for both sides. For example: I think this player is on his/her second game but your MM system throw him/her against Diamond~Champion players If I was that player, I probably will never touch War Robots again, because getting shredded in 5 second is really not a good experience for new players...
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Post by dreamslayer28 on Jul 31, 2017 21:26:39 GMT -5
1. Android
2. Gold III
3. Here is a ballpark number:
*One out of five matches are inexplicably imbalanced in a negative way. Our league points+weapons are 40-60% less than that of the enemy (think of 6/8 hangar at 4 bots going up against 10/12 to 12/12 hangar of 5 bots). Needless to say, game's finished in a loss before timer hits 6:00. *Three out of five matches are rather balanced. No comment. *One out of five matches are inexplicably imbalanced in a positive way. Our league points+weapons are 40-60% more than that of the enemy (think of 6/8 hangar at 4 bots going up against 4/5 to 5/6 hangar of 3-5 bots). Needless to say, game's finished in a WIN before timer hits 6:00.
Matchmaking takes between 1 second to 1 minute. Faders are less prevalent in this patch than in the previous ones.
Finally...Pixonic should create a better algorithm for the map pool that it has. There are seven maps, so play 7 different maps in 10 matches (A, B, C, D, E, F, G...)- not 3 maps out of 7 in the pool in 10 matches, (A, A, A, B, B, C, C...)
I don't know if you should include this, but Pix should implement server stability in order to prevent teleporting issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 21:32:27 GMT -5
Pilot ID: E67X2T League: LQ Champ, RQ Master 2 or Master 3
As for my experience with the matchmaking, I am not going to go on a rant here of the mismatches between hangars or leagues, but the old matchmaking was better. Much better. I really don't get how people are so supportive of this when it's absolute rubbish. Pixonic may as well put a random matchmaking. At least there will be a chance where both sides have equal numbers of Champs, Experts, Diamonds and Golds.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jul 31, 2017 21:48:09 GMT -5
XHFOKQ
Android
Champion
Squad play is horribly unbalanced. Rare to get a match that seems even. Usually a steamroll one way or another. And randoms should never have to face full squads.
Random play is imbalanced but less so than squad.
Hangar weight needs to be in the formula. I don't care if it can be exploited. It is a better alternative to lopsided matches 80% of the time, even if the 80% was in my favor.
I don't like steamrolls.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jul 31, 2017 21:51:06 GMT -5
1. Pilot ID ... they know mine. 2. Current League - iOS (D2 and S1) ANdroid (S2 I think) 3. Describe your experience with Match Making. I hate to say this, but I love it. No problems, no gross mismatches, no problems. Every match I feel liek I have a chance of winning. Literally, zero problems.
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jul 31, 2017 22:02:33 GMT -5
I won't give my info as my two cents are to merely echo Dredd77, all of my matches have been completely acceptable except for the @rsehole faders and tankers who ruin the game whether they are going up or down.
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Post by 0ppressor on Jul 31, 2017 22:03:59 GMT -5
Pilot ID: 4R3AVU - Android
Current League: Diamond 1
Experience with MatchMaker: Completely content with it as is. No issues to report.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Jul 31, 2017 23:07:42 GMT -5
3. Describe your experience with Match Making. I hate to say this, but I love it. No problems, no gross mismatches, no problems. Every match I feel liek I have a chance of winning. Literally, zero problems. That's funny because I ended my response with about the same thing. "I truly have no real issues with the MM currently. As long as the large percentage of players in a match are equal league or close then things work out in my opinion." The biggest problem they have is not the MM itsself (in my opinion) but rather the fact that: 1. Leagues create an incredibly competitive atmosphere. (Thats great!) 2. Leagues give people something to blame and complain about for being unfair when that amped up competition doesn't go their way. I've preached this over and over and over again.... people will find, literally go looking for, something to be negative about before being positive.
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Post by 0ppressor on Jul 31, 2017 23:21:15 GMT -5
Forgot to include this in my original post, but for the sake of completion, I never squad nor joined a clan. My experience is strictly from a PUGster (Pick Up Group / Randoms) perspective.
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meteormash
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Posts: 34
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Pilot name: Meteor Mash
Platform: iOS
League: Expert
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Leo
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Post by meteormash on Jul 31, 2017 23:22:20 GMT -5
I'm away from my iPad at the moment and don't know my player ID, but I'd like to chime in....
iOS/Expert III
I much prefer the old matchmaker. I'm tired of grinding up.... It takes forever, and its been quite stale for awhile. And the matchmaker is just nuts for me. I see Champions, Masters, Expert, Diamond, and Gold in my current position. I feel sorry for the gold players and get frustrated myself when facing champion squads. I know that they mixed leagues because of the lower player pool in higher leagues. But now they're mixing diamond and gold too.
I tried to run a hangar of light bots and it took me a week (without tanking) to drop into a groove in Diamond III where it was viable. It was refreshing playing a different play style with different bots, but I quickly rose again.... I don't want to bang my head against a wall for a week to try something different.
I miss being able to immediately drop and play Golems, Vitayaz, Boa, etc. These bots aren't viable at all. There's no reason to buy them, or spend gold or WSP on weapons. I miss them. Why would I invest my resources on that. We could go 6/8 mediums and be in high silver and have a great time. It wasn't a great investment in time or resources to attain that.
The stated problem to which the semi-Elo system was to solve was MagGep clubbing. Once players got out of Bronze tier (which is easy to do) they weren't a problem. Plus, Pix sold lots of starter-pack Gepards. They killed their cash cow, because they are now useless.
There's no more depth to the game; its just a grind now - almost chore-like. Don't get me wrong - I still enjoy it or I wouldn't be playing.
In a few months I'll be stuck in Expert league surrounded by a bunch of dumb dashbots with a bunch of newly obsolete bots. What are we to do then? I'm a paying customer. There's nowhere to escape.... This pilot might just pull that eject button one final time.
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Post by Paps on Jul 31, 2017 23:26:26 GMT -5
I know you're not looking for negativity in this thread, VivaLaResistance, so I'll keep this brief. You, Dredd77 and Golden Sabre have had exceptional experiences with the Match-Maker if everything has been hunky-dory for y'all.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Jul 31, 2017 23:35:33 GMT -5
I know you're not looking for negativity in this thread, VivaLaResistance , so I'll keep this brief. You, Dredd77 and Golden Sabre have had exceptional experiences with the Match-Maker if everything has been hunky-dory for y'all. I didn't mean no negativity.....lol Just not the random meaningless hate. .....and jokes. Jokes are awesome but not for a thread like this. I speak from my current league. From what I have heard things will get a lot more rough when I get into Expert and Master leagues. Also forgot to add this excerpt which was just before my ending. "What I am mostly looking at is not necessarily Leagues but the weapon and bot levels which people face me with. Generally they are much higher than my own, even within the same league it seems. I pride myself on winning against stronger bots and weapons but I do think it is odd how the better you do in this game the tougher it gets…… by intentionally putting the odds against you. (That is a concept to be used when facing AI controlled opposition not in a multiplayer game)"
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Post by moody on Aug 1, 2017 7:46:19 GMT -5
UF15OU android Diamond 1 For solo play: 95% of games are good and well balanced. 5% of games either are one player down on one or the other sides or i am the one diamond in an expert/master/champion game.
Overall very positive.
For squad games it gets crazy and haphazard. Can you not match total league levels between the two sides?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 1, 2017 8:52:27 GMT -5
If you have an account in Silver and in Diamond, for instance, can you give both IDs and experiences?
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 1, 2017 8:53:16 GMT -5
Player id: J10BLL Platform: iOS Level: Diamond III
My experiences have been similar to dreamslayer28, except it's more like 1/3 getting bashed by higher ranked players, 1/3 bashing (and losing with) lower ranked players, and maybe 1/3 actual competitive games with similarly ranked players on both sides. Given the stated purpose of leagues and the ranking system, that's a 1/3 success rate.
And then there are the tankers and seal-clubbers. Including hangar strength in the matchmaking formula would help reduce if not eliminate both.
Matching trends are also very streaky. I'll have a string of good matchups where my win pct will go up into the 60's, then a massive losing streak dropping me into the 30's, and there is seldom any in-between. Exactly how or why this happens I cannot say, but it is extremely frustrating and becomes like a recurring mind-?firetruck?. I almost don't want to win, because I know it's only a matter of time before MM drops the other shoe. On my head. With a smattering of Hydra hits.
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Post by TheWWRNerdGuy on Aug 1, 2017 9:07:31 GMT -5
1. FHSC9X - Amazon
2. Champion/Legend
3. It's bad usually, probably because of so few people playing the game. What they could do is either (easy option) try to advertise it more or (ultra hard option) combine the servers of each platform.
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Post by Domino on Aug 1, 2017 9:23:25 GMT -5
1) Pilot: 7M4OWU - Android 2) League: Expert 2/3
I noticed that as soon as I hit Expert am facing a big increase of champions leagues. The Champion league/Master won't complain because they are stomping on guys easily for the most part. If you have to say otherwise I can easily provide screenshots to your hearts content.
All my bots are level 9, weapons are level 9/10. It's completely unbalanced to fight lvl 12 bots/lvl 12 weapons, they have a HUGE advantage.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT LEVEL 12 bots/weapons with guys in diamond and expert league. These guys are all tankers or really really really suck and that's a complaint and another issue all together.
MM tries to put a Champion on the blue side but no matter what there is NO level playing field.
Solution: Do not put Champion guys against Expert/Diamond. I don't care if there's not enough people in the queue, that's the fault of the company not me and I shouldn't be punished for it. Make them wait an extra minute or 2. Help get more people to Champion league, IDK but it's pretty bad.
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Post by dangit on Aug 1, 2017 9:36:07 GMT -5
Hi there VivaLaResistancePrimary account IOS. Primary account Android. WKNIAX ZFMV1Q Masters Expert Secondary iOS. Secondary Android to help train newer players in Clan 7JAKJD 4YSCR1 Diamond Silver For the most part I don't have any complaints about current Match making system. Yes, sometimes there are players above and below that shouldn't be there. I put this down to a lack of available players at the time and they rush to get you in a match. I wouldn't mind a longer wait time. My only real complaint I have is when there is a full squad of Champions against a group of solo players that have no chance to win as they are totally out gunned. For an example of this I have a short video of a recent game in Android of team stats. Wasn't a very pretty game to be in for us. Haven't played this account since, but it happened twice that night so a little frustrated right now. Bye there, ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 10:36:22 GMT -5
I had pretty much the same experience down from diamod and up to champion. Makes litterally no difference squaddin' with my champ friends and squadding with diamonds clanmates,
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Post by 7iquid on Aug 1, 2017 10:42:29 GMT -5
iOS Diamond 2 ipad and iPhone player Currently climbing leagues slowly
MM is good. Usually good, close games, good matching opponents. Notable that every X games there is complete mismatch - one side completely outclassed another.
Casual, non league mode of play would be a great alt play mode. I think it would improve gameplay in league as casual players have alt option - leaving league players to focus on strategic wins. Squad battles seem to be poorer match ups.
MM big improvement on previous mm. Note a lot of negative rants about MM on this forum but personally not experiencing problems.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 1, 2017 17:50:07 GMT -5
Pilot ID 1: 5BS07Y ANDROID DIAMOND 3
I have seen, both in this account and my Silver one, a LOT of maxed (or way above league average), hangars that are in Silver and Gold. I struggled getting out of Silver due to tankers at that time, so I saw a lot of Gold and Silver with this account. Diamond has been almost night and day difference since there is no arbitrary limit to what you will be matched with, and therefore no reason for maxing a hangar out and staying in that league. Being able to do that in Silver and Gold makes it so that being mostly limited to the same leagues in general, is almost pointless for newer players.
Either way MM seems to still be pretty good as far as the leagues I get matched with while in solo games as a Diamond player and in my Silver account... but, again, between tankers and people who just speed upgrades and fade to stay in those 2 leagues... it is rather frustrating for the average Silver and Gold player at 6-9 when facing 12s.
Squadding... kind of a different story. I can't even remember a squad game with folks that didn't have some Champs on the Red side if we had a High Diamond or Expert player, even just 1, on our side.
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Post by mijapi300 on Aug 1, 2017 21:14:10 GMT -5
iOS Don't remember both pilot IDs Champion and Gold (two accounts)
My experience with the MM is that it works almost flawlessly until you reach Diamond. And that is where the proverbial 「dookie」 hits the proverbial fan. The range expands to include anyone above Diamond. And it's more than possible to reach Diamond with a 5/5-6/6 hangar with the current points distributions. A 5/5 or 6/6 guy should never be in a position where he can possibly be facing off against maxed 12/12 guys.
My suggested fixes:
-Get rid of positive points for losers. People should not be able to climb in leagues with 30-40% win rates, which is what happens to people that are doing high damage for their level. They mech because they can't stay alive with bots 3+ levels lower than their competition, so their team loses more often than not. But in the short time they're alive, they deal a lot of damage, so they climb. It makes no sense. I get that people reached stagnant points in leagues before, but that's because that's where they belonged!. When it takes 1-2 weeks to get a single bot from something like 8/8 to 9/9 (just one single bot), there's no reason to expect quick fluctuations in league standings. It should take three to four weeks of active playing to get from Diamond level bots and skill to Expert level bots and skill.
-Tighten the matchmaker. I'm sorry, but aside from the fact there are 12/12 tankers evenly distributed throughout the league system, there is no reason or excuse for a Diamond pilot to be in the same match as a Champion pilot.
-Tiered league rewards. Why does someone in Bronze league get the same amount of Ag payout after a game as someone in Champion? The Ag payouts should be tiered, so higher leagues offer higher per-game rewards. This can be done by either starting at the top, and reducing the payout for each league under; starting in the middle, and increasing as you go up or decreasing as you go down; or start at the bottom, and increase payouts as you go up. I don't care if overall payouts go down (first option), but they should be tiered to give incentive to people to climb leagues. This would remove the tanking problem almost entirely.
-FIX THE SQUAD MATCHMAKER! Why is this such a difficult thing to handle? If a squad has a Diamond, Gold and a Silver player, they should not be facing off against all Diamond players. Nevertheless all Champions players like they often get. It should either pull a similarly built squad, or if it has to pull randoms, it should pull three of equal level and handle the other three on each side as it normally does.
-Maximum level gaps. There should either be level caps for each league - if a player has bots over the level cap for their respective league, the effective stats in game will be that of the level cap. For example, cap Diamond at 9; a maxed hangar is in Diamond, his bots perform as if they were level 9/9. He doesn't actually lose levels on his bots, he just has to go up in league to use the full potential. The other solution would be bridges/gaps. Don't allow more than a two level gap from the highest average hangar to the lowest average hangar in any given match. So if the first player pulled into a match by the MM has an average hangar level of 7/7, there should be nobody over 8/8, and nobody under 6/6.
Not sure if other opinions will be the same, but those are things I think would fix the current issues related to matchmaking.
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Post by SprintingGoat on Aug 1, 2017 22:42:23 GMT -5
Pilot ID: B3RWD0 Platform: iOS League: Masters 3
Great question.
Solo - when i was in the Diamond leagues, the MM was pretty good. The minute i crossed into Expert league, it was the opposite of pretty good. The reasonably well documented Diamond/Expert divide for iOS (which i believe was similar to the Gold/Diamond divide for our Android brethren) - where the MM appeared to consider everything from Expert 3 to Champion as the same thing.
Then there was the two week period prior to the last event - all of a sudden, the MM switched to perfect for me (in Expert at that time). It was simply awesome... I had more matches decided in the dying seconds during those two weeks, than i've had in the rest of the time i've been playing.. the MM was filling my matches not only with Expert league pilots, but with pilots from the actual tier within Expert league that i was in at the time - so when in E2, the vast majority of team mates and opponents were also E2... there were a few outliers, but not many. It was pretty obvious that something had been tweaked to tighten the MM right up during those days, as my experience was shared by my clan mates..... so i'd LURRRRRRRRVE to know what went on there and why they don't just make that permanent. 'coz it showed pretty clearly, that the MM they have running now CAN work... and work very well.
Then the event patch dropped on iOS and the MM went COMPLETELY to sh*t... no doubt the event and subsequent pilot behaviour will have played it's part, but it was too sudden a change with the patch not to have been a change in the MM. But i could probably count on one hand the matches without Champions that i've played since.... and the 'free-for-all' MM seemed to stretch all the way down to Diamond at least, if my clan mates' experiences are anything to go by.
It's hard to tell if we're slowly getting back to the way it was before the oasis that was the fortnight before the event - i.e. where Diamnond and below is good, but E+ is all in - as we have gone into the ol' end of season cr@p so soon after the event. But i have been seeing everything from D1 to Champs in my matches as little as a few days ago... RL has had my play drop in the last few days, so it's hard for me to comment on the right-this-minute MM.
Squad play - this has always been a sh*tfight, but since the event patch dropped, it has been borderline absurd. Anything over a two-man squad (and sometimes even then) will see you a massive chance to cop a full 6-mam Champ squad wearing red. It has gone close to making crew in my clan family avoid squadding in anything more than pairs.
I think the MM prioritising matching squads with other squads, is a mistake... i reckon you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would disagree with the premise that when it comes to finding a match up for a Champ squad, any 6 random Champ league (or high Masters) pilots are WAAAAAAAAAY preferable to a squad full of Gold/Diamond/Expert.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 2, 2017 2:26:20 GMT -5
Pilot ID: 4MQJK9 Platform: Android League: Silver 3 "Firebeard"
I have been experiencing a high amount Diamond players and Hangars that are not suited for my League. The superiority of my Opponents has prevented me, over time, from gaining both Positiin and Standings in the League system.
While I understand the need to extend the parameters of the player search, the desparity, in most cases, is too great.
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Post by TravLar on Aug 2, 2017 3:48:26 GMT -5
Pilot ID: JJOQWT Platform: iOS League: Diamond 1
I find the Match Maker good but I really don't like being placed in battles where there are players who are rated much higher than me and have OP hangars. The battle may still be fairly matched in that both teams have Champs, Masters, Expert & Diamond, but as a Diamond player with a 10/10 hangar I get obliterated by most other bots in the battle.
Most of the games are fine though.
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Post by acdcfan on Aug 2, 2017 4:08:20 GMT -5
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akshaybrawler
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Posts: 81
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Pilot name: Akshaybrawler
Platform: Android
Clan: Black Ops
League: Expert
Server Region: Asia
Favorite robot: Oath-breaker Galahad
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Post by akshaybrawler on Aug 2, 2017 6:53:56 GMT -5
Pilot ID: 9SBI91 Platform: Android League:Expert 2 For my own point of view the lower league have a stable match making system.However for the higher league its a real mess.In solo, most of the time we face against champion league players which is realy difficult and if you are realy unlucky which is my case you will frequently encounter champion squad or clan such as illimucorp[i^C],[JPN.],[CoR],[SKY+] and so on. when i was in expert league 1 i never get to match against an opposing team having the same players like i am .
Good luck solving this problem viva alongside pixonic.
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