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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 18:20:42 GMT -5
Whelp, another nerf to one of my spider bots. First they nerf the Raijin in 2.9.0. Now I have confirmed the Fujin has been nerfed too in 2.9.2. Its juke ability is gone.
I knew about this juking from watching Youtube videos and knew about it for months now. I started to use it hard for the last month or so, and it was quite effective. That one time I kept dodging the Zeus Carnage and most of his bolts in knife-fighting range. And my best game, the time I dodged 2 full Treb Fury blasts, the second one mainly with luck rather than skill, so that's 100K of damage avoided. So I knew the days of juking were numbered after this, since they use this forum as bug reporting and I posted about this around that time.
I knew this was gonna happen. So I will keep these secrets to myself from now on to prevent them from nerfing more of the bots I like to use.
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Post by ×Carliex on Jul 15, 2017 18:30:41 GMT -5
There are eyes everywhere! Say nothing!
What puzzles me is that the Raijin (haha, that auto-corrects to "Raisin"), wasn't hugely popular to begin with, then pix make it less useful by reducing its shields.
Pixonic, stop messing with the good stuff and concentrate on that server lag!
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Post by pirateb0t on Jul 15, 2017 18:44:45 GMT -5
I'm going to guess that raijin was tested as being overpowered for beacon rush
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Jul 15, 2017 18:50:10 GMT -5
Great. Just when I was just about ready to invest in a multi-legged creature, they get nerfed. Thanks, Pixies.
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Post by ×Carliex on Jul 15, 2017 19:13:37 GMT -5
No, you should still get one! Firstly, they're awesome, but secondly, no one knows what the pixies will do next.
However, I will never forgive the nerf-down of the Gepard just as I was in a position to add one. It's now a shadow of its former self as a feared nuisance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 19:16:45 GMT -5
I'm going to guess that raijin was tested as being overpowered for beacon rush They nerfed the climbing ability. It was done shortly after I released a guide on the Raijin (mainly bout climbing and 1 style of play) Yes, there are many other styles of Raijin play. Here is the guide: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/7553/raijin
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 19:25:39 GMT -5
There are eyes everywhere! Say nothing! What puzzles me is that the Raijin (haha, that auto-corrects to "Raisin"), wasn't hugely popular to begin with, then pix make it less useful by reducing its shields. Pixonic, stop messing with the good stuff and concentrate on that server lag! war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/9441/spider-bots-juke-moveThis is when I made the juke ability known, and literally a week or so later, it was nerfed. The juke ability was known for at least a few months via a Youtuber. Juking has been around a year since the inception. Same with Raijin climbing. Around for a year since the bots came out at the same time. Then a week later (look up for the Raijin post), it was gone. That was really annoying since I only made use of the Raijin and climbed over every rock available in every map for a week, and found the Raijin to be a pretty good build.
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Post by johnny5 on Jul 15, 2017 21:05:27 GMT -5
I'm going to guess that raijin was tested as being overpowered for beacon rush So what your telling us is Pix had to Nerf a bot for being good at it's actual purpose.?
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Post by DirtyDuckofDoom on Jul 15, 2017 21:32:52 GMT -5
This isn't a nerf it's a bug fix. The Fujin was never intended to be able to avoid damage like that. In version 3.0 coming out soon the Fujin will be gettin a buff to the shields and speed as will the Raijin.
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Post by thefalsehuman on Jul 15, 2017 22:13:55 GMT -5
I'm going to guess that raijin was tested as being overpowered for beacon rush So what your telling us is Pix had to Nerf a bot for being good at it's actual purpose.? "overpowered"
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Post by The VVatcher on Jul 15, 2017 22:22:06 GMT -5
You should explain the juke move is and what the change in behavior is.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jul 15, 2017 22:40:19 GMT -5
It wasn't nerfed , a bug was fixed. Big difference. And congratulations for your contribution to the game, making it a better and more enjoyable experience for everyone.
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Post by SuperHero on Jul 15, 2017 22:54:41 GMT -5
I agree with those saying it was a bug fix. In the open, Zeus were not meant to be avoidable, especially since it's a lock on weapon.
Regarding the Raijin's climbing ability, Pix is still debating whether to keep it or get rid of it. I like the climbing ability. It gives an extra dimension to the game. But the Fujin shouldn't be able to juke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 1:09:41 GMT -5
It wasn't nerfed , a bug was fixed. Big difference. And congratulations for your contribution to the game, making it a better and more enjoyable experience for everyone. Your welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 1:19:02 GMT -5
I agree with those saying it was a bug fix. In the open, Zeus were not meant to be avoidable, especially since it's a lock on weapon. Regarding the Raijin's climbing ability, Pix is still debating whether to keep it or get rid of it. I like the climbing ability. It gives an extra dimension to the game. But the Fujin shouldn't be able to juke. The climbing ability is essential for the Raijin to play peek-a-boo since it can pop in and out of cover really fast while popping a few tridents. On a few maps, it allows the Raijin to get line of sight on way more than other ground based bots, and avoid taking any plasma or rocket damage. There is no way to nerf this style of fighting (peek-a-boo) without getting rid of climbing, so that's what they essentially did without doing it. If you didn't understand that, it's like how in the most recent patch they nerfed things by buffing things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 1:22:06 GMT -5
You should explain the juke move is and what the change in behavior is. Juke move allows the Fujin to avoid plasma, Zeus, Trebs, and homing missiles. Change. Uhmm, it's gone. Nerfed to oblivioun. I'm sure I explain it in the thread I linked to above. You can read it as I try to explain it in that thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 1:28:38 GMT -5
This isn't a nerf it's a bug fix. The Fujin was never intended to be able to avoid damage like that. In version 3.0 coming out soon the Fujin will be gettin a buff to the shields and speed as will the Raijin. For the most part, it's not too dissimilar than the Galahad being able to easily avoid an entire salvo of Orkans/Piñatas plus shield to block plasma. Except the Fujin's former juke ability was not as powerful, since it was a move of last resort. The only time it comes in handy is when knife-fighting Zeus Carnage as the reload times of the Zeus synchs nicely with cool down of the juke.
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Post by The VVatcher on Jul 16, 2017 7:06:21 GMT -5
You should explain the juke move is and what the change in behavior is. Juke move allows the Fujin to avoid plasma, Zeus, Trebs, and homing missiles. Change. Uhmm, it's gone. Nerfed to oblivioun. I'm sure I explain it in the thread I linked to above. You can read it as I try to explain it in that thread. Oh right, you get a slight invulnerability right when you go to entry mode. I actually know about this. Wow I'm surprised they removed it. What a shame.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 21:50:05 GMT -5
Juke move allows the Fujin to avoid plasma, Zeus, Trebs, and homing missiles. Change. Uhmm, it's gone. Nerfed to oblivioun. I'm sure I explain it in the thread I linked to above. You can read it as I try to explain it in that thread. Oh right, you get a slight invulnerability right when you go to entry mode. I actually know about this. Wow I'm surprised they removed it. What a shame. Actually, I think the Fujin nerf hit in the last iOS update which was 2.9.1 not 2.9.2 since that one hasn't hit us iOS users yet. It took me this long to create this post since I had to confirm the changes myself. I'm not surprised they removed it since I predicted they would once I posted about it. They don't seem to have a testing department capable of finding these bugs, and so they rely on their test servers for bug feedback and scouring these forums for bugs. I don't expect them to watch a 2 hour live stream as it wouldn't be good use of their time to discover bugs. It may surprise you, but developers may not even play their own game based on my industry experience. Okay, maybe for a small shop, they will to test whether 1 specific bug has been fixed. But otherwise it's up to the testing departments to find these bugs or from bug reports from users. Some of these bugs are so obscure, it took me almost a year of playing this game for me to discover them. That's the reason why many didn't believe me when I said that the Fujin can juke plasma, so you can imagine a developer that doesn't have time to play their own game as much or barely at all to know about it either.
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Post by WilsonK on Jul 16, 2017 22:22:33 GMT -5
Whelp, another nerf to one of my spider bots. First they nerf the Raijin in 2.9.0. Now I have confirmed the Fujin has been nerfed too in 2.9.2. Its juke ability is gone. I knew about this juking from watching Youtube videos and knew about it for months now. I started to use it hard for the last month or so, and it was quite effective. That one time I kept dodging the Zeus Carnage and most of his bolts in knife-fighting range. And my best game, the time I dodged 2 full Treb Fury blasts, the second one mainly with luck rather than skill, so that's 100K of damage avoided. So I knew the days of juking were numbered after this, since they use this forum as bug reporting and I posted about this around that time. I knew this was gonna happen. So I will keep these secrets to myself from now on to prevent them from nerfing more of the bots I like to use. Mm hmm, encountered tons of Fujins juking off every time in my plasma-ful bots! Well 2.9.2 hasn't arrived for iOS yet as I type, so I'll experience it myself in due time.. But if your prophecy is true... ho ho ho... Time to melt those itsy bitsy spiders with plasma!
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Post by The VVatcher on Jul 17, 2017 0:36:48 GMT -5
Oh right, you get a slight invulnerability right when you go to entry mode. I actually know about this. Wow I'm surprised they removed it. What a shame. Actually, I think the Fujin nerf hit in the last iOS update which was 2.9.1 not 2.9.2 since that one hasn't hit us iOS users yet. It took me this long to create this post since I had to confirm the changes myself. I'm not surprised they removed it since I predicted they would once I posted about it. They don't seem to have a testing department capable of finding these bugs, and so they rely on their test servers for bug feedback and scouring these forums for bugs. I don't expect them to watch a 2 hour live stream as it wouldn't be good use of their time to discover bugs. It may surprise you, but developers may not even play their own game based on my industry experience. Okay, maybe for a small shop, they will to test whether 1 specific bug has been fixed. But otherwise it's up to the testing departments to find these bugs or from bug reports from users. Some of these bugs are so obscure, it took me almost a year of playing this game for me to discover them. That's the reason why many didn't believe me when I said that the Fujin can juke plasma, so you can imagine a developer that doesn't have time to play their own game as much or barely at all to know about it either. Well I don't know if it's being exploited. All I know is if you can predict a treb shot it can go right pass you. Even if it's a bug, seems to me like a skill move. It's something of a perk to a sitting duck type of a special move.
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