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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 12:37:20 GMT -5
This belongs in rants just because of the discussion it may spark, even though I'm not intending to start that. Do any of the Pixonic Insiders know why the WSP conversion for deals hasn't been addressed? The cash price for the deals of WSP items should be comparable to their Au counterparts. A medium gold item costs $10, and goes on sale for anywhere between $5 and $8. The WSP counterpart goes on sale for $45. For the most part, I understand where the math comes from, but as far as a one-time deal and cash grab goes, it makes no sense.
I'm sure some people that don't know any better and have plenty of money are falling for it (which I think is a moral issue, but that's another discussion to be had), but I doubt they're getting as much total revenue as they could be if it actually made sense.
Does anyone know if this has been discussed with Pixonic, and if they ever plan on adjusting those WSP deals to something that actually makes sense?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 12:41:50 GMT -5
This belongs in rants just because of the discussion it may spark, even though I'm not intending to start that. Do any of the Pixonic Insiders know why the WSP conversion for deals hasn't been addressed? The cash price for the deals of WSP items should be comparable to their Au counterparts. A medium gold item costs $10, and goes on sale for anywhere between $5 and $8. The WSP counterpart goes on sale for $45. For the most part, I understand where the math comes from, but as far as a one-time deal and cash grab goes, it makes no sense. I'm sure some people that don't know any better and have plenty of money are falling for it (which I think is a moral issue, but that's another discussion to be had), but I doubt they're getting as much total revenue as they could be if it actually made sense. Does anyone know if this has been discussed with Pixonic, and if they ever plan on adjusting those WSP deals to something that actually makes sense? I don't see this as a rant at all. You make valid points. Those "deals" are obscene. I'm so glad I never had those when I was new, I might have fallen for em. |
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Post by infraviolet on Jul 10, 2017 12:51:07 GMT -5
Yeah, like $45 for a Hydra? Seriously?
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 12:51:26 GMT -5
This belongs in rants just because of the discussion it may spark, even though I'm not intending to start that. Do any of the Pixonic Insiders know why the WSP conversion for deals hasn't been addressed? The cash price for the deals of WSP items should be comparable to their Au counterparts. A medium gold item costs $10, and goes on sale for anywhere between $5 and $8. The WSP counterpart goes on sale for $45. For the most part, I understand where the math comes from, but as far as a one-time deal and cash grab goes, it makes no sense. I'm sure some people that don't know any better and have plenty of money are falling for it (which I think is a moral issue, but that's another discussion to be had), but I doubt they're getting as much total revenue as they could be if it actually made sense. Does anyone know if this has been discussed with Pixonic, and if they ever plan on adjusting those WSP deals to something that actually makes sense? I don't see this as a rant at all. You make valid points. Those "deals" are obscene. I'm so glad I never had those when I was new, I might have fallen for em. I know. I just know whenever you question something Pixonic does on these forums, heated debate generally follows. So I don't think my post belongs in Rants, but this thread will likely eventually belong here. Just cut out the middle step and saved some time lol. |
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Post by amoebastudios on Jul 10, 2017 13:17:51 GMT -5
Why do they do it at such ridiculous price?
Because there are people buying it...
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Post by cheap on Jul 10, 2017 13:33:29 GMT -5
weren't the wsp weapons like magnum ,taran an such like between$3.99 an $6.99 about a year ago through deals?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 13:50:40 GMT -5
I don't know if the Pixonic insiders are really doing anything besides organizing giveaways.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Jul 10, 2017 14:51:50 GMT -5
This belongs in rants just because of the discussion it may spark, even though I'm not intending to start that. Do any of the Pixonic Insiders know why the WSP conversion for deals hasn't been addressed? The cash price for the deals of WSP items should be comparable to their Au counterparts. A medium gold item costs $10, and goes on sale for anywhere between $5 and $8. The WSP counterpart goes on sale for $45. For the most part, I understand where the math comes from, but as far as a one-time deal and cash grab goes, it makes no sense. I'm sure some people that don't know any better and have plenty of money are falling for it (which I think is a moral issue, but that's another discussion to be had), but I doubt they're getting as much total revenue as they could be if it actually made sense. Does anyone know if this has been discussed with Pixonic, and if they ever plan on adjusting those WSP deals to something that actually makes sense? I don't think Pix is erring in the WSP item pricing. The pricing is completely legit and it's targeted for new pilots that are the whales of the future in the game. There are enough well funded new pilots that can easily dump 500-1000€ on a new game in a instant to get a Champion level in one day and get instant gratification. For these new whales to the game, all the prices seem okay. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 15:05:45 GMT -5
This belongs in rants just because of the discussion it may spark, even though I'm not intending to start that. Do any of the Pixonic Insiders know why the WSP conversion for deals hasn't been addressed? The cash price for the deals of WSP items should be comparable to their Au counterparts. A medium gold item costs $10, and goes on sale for anywhere between $5 and $8. The WSP counterpart goes on sale for $45. For the most part, I understand where the math comes from, but as far as a one-time deal and cash grab goes, it makes no sense. I'm sure some people that don't know any better and have plenty of money are falling for it (which I think is a moral issue, but that's another discussion to be had), but I doubt they're getting as much total revenue as they could be if it actually made sense. Does anyone know if this has been discussed with Pixonic, and if they ever plan on adjusting those WSP deals to something that actually makes sense? I don't think Pix is erring in the WSP item pricing. The pricing is completely legit and it's targeted for new pilots that are the whales of the future in the game. There are enough well funded new pilots that can easily dump 500-1000€ on a new game in a instant to get a Champion level in one day and get instant gratification. For these new whales to the game, all the prices seem okay. There are only so many whales. And once they've spent and achieved maximum gratification, there's no more spending to be done. Meanwhile, there's hundreds of thousands of players with smaller wallets. That might break off $10-15 for a couple WSP counterparts. I would guess that the only people paying $40-50 at a time for single items are those that are extremely wealthy and those that have stolen their parents credit card info. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 15:07:19 GMT -5
I don't know if the Pixonic insiders are really doing anything besides organizing giveaways. I have no idea what all they're doing, but I do know they're the closest point of contact to Pixonic that we have here. |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Jul 10, 2017 15:33:15 GMT -5
I don't think Pix is erring in the WSP item pricing. The pricing is completely legit and it's targeted for new pilots that are the whales of the future in the game. There are enough well funded new pilots that can easily dump 500-1000€ on a new game in a instant to get a Champion level in one day and get instant gratification. For these new whales to the game, all the prices seem okay. There are only so many whales. And once they've spent and achieved maximum gratification, there's no more spending to be done. Meanwhile, there's hundreds of thousands of players with smaller wallets. That might break off $10-15 for a couple WSP counterparts. I would guess that the only people paying $40-50 at a time for single items are those that are extremely wealthy and those that have stolen their parents credit card info. I think Pix has the lower and spending range nicely accommodated: -$1 for 100 event coins cause you can't just buy 2500 of them for the Tempest - CHECK! -$10 a monthly Premium service so everyone can a boost in siilver - CHECK! -$20 for a Tempest (if you can grind it for the rest of the coins to get 2500 of them) - CHECK! For the middle spender Pix has: -$50-$125 for multiple Tempests and a Fury or a Butch - CHECK! (Or, for about the same price, all the WW bots, an Ancilot, and some Gekkos/Orkans) For the whales: -All the ridiculously priced WSP stuff offered for pilots with much more money than the have sense - BIG CHECK! Heck, Pix is just blindly throwing harpoons out at pilots with the WSP. Any WSP 'poon that snags a whale is just free money to them, so why not offer it at those prices? |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 16:00:12 GMT -5
There are only so many whales. And once they've spent and achieved maximum gratification, there's no more spending to be done. Meanwhile, there's hundreds of thousands of players with smaller wallets. That might break off $10-15 for a couple WSP counterparts. I would guess that the only people paying $40-50 at a time for single items are those that are extremely wealthy and those that have stolen their parents credit card info. I think Pix has the lower and spending range nicely accommodated: -$1 for 100 event coins cause you can't just buy 2500 of them for the Tempest - CHECK! -$10 a monthly Premium service so everyone can a boost in siilver - CHECK! -$20 for a Tempest (if you can grind it for the rest of the coins to get 2500 of them) - CHECK! For the middle spender Pix has: -$50-$125 for multiple Tempests and a Fury or a Butch - CHECK! (Or, for about the same price, all the WW bots, an Ancilot, and some Gekkos/Orkans) For the whales: -All the ridiculously priced WSP stuff offered for pilots with much more money than the have sense - BIG CHECK! Heck, Pix is just blindly throwing harpoons out at pilots with the WSP. Any WSP 'poon that snags a whale is just free money to them, so why not offer it at those prices? Its just economics, which can be debated all day. Why price it at "a" and make "b" in revenue, when you can price it at "c" and make "d" in revenue. Since there is no expense to them for these digital items, they only have to worry about appeasing the demand. If they sell 1,000 of them at $45, they make $45,000 in revenue, minus the $0 in expenses incurred, they've profited $45,000. Let's say they price it at $10, and make 25,000 sales. Now they made $250,000 in revenue, minus $0 expenses, they've profited $250,000. Obviously this is just an example, but in this example, they've lost a potential $205,000 via inappropriate pricing. They should, ideally, be using a price/demand model in order to find the optimum price. Which shouldn't be too difficult considering the infinite supply and $0 expense. Granted, doing this would actually make sense, so why do that. |
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Post by cheap on Jul 10, 2017 18:44:03 GMT -5
agreed, with lower priced said items sales would be better. especially with those who spend maybe between $10 an $50 a month on this game and i'am thinking that is a good percentage of those here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 19:18:32 GMT -5
I am amazed at the attempts to get every drop of blood, oops, I mean money during these events. Special currencies, wsp that many players can do nothing useful with, and can't be converted to anything. I bought my first Carnage from the accumulation of free wsp.
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Post by mechmedoit on Jul 10, 2017 20:59:35 GMT -5
Whale or not.. those offer ingame are riddiculous! I mean you have to be right out stupid to buy those when you can save up WSP in no time.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 21:24:31 GMT -5
I am amazed at the attempts to get every drop of blood, oops, I mean money during these events. Special currencies, wsp that many players can do nothing useful with, and can't be converted to anything. I bought my first Rog from the accumulation of free wsp. How did you buy a Rog with WSP?? Also, you weren't wrong about the blood part. I sold my blood to pay for some event tokens. The person I sold my blood to needed it because he just sold his kidney for event tokens. The person he sold his kidney to needed it because he sold both his kidneys trying to get two tempests. It's a vicious cycle. |
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Post by WilsonK on Jul 10, 2017 21:45:15 GMT -5
I'd rather spend those 50-ish bucks on gold itself, and upgrade my bots and weapons... Spending that amount for items that we can actually attain just by waiting for WSP..? RIDONKULOUS  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 22:21:20 GMT -5
Oops, Carnage
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 8:15:38 GMT -5
Is Golden Sabre part of the Pixonic Insiders program now that he is a mod? |
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jul 11, 2017 10:19:39 GMT -5
@darkangel12s, not just yet. I'm easing into the mod thing but you can be sure that any info that is authorized to be passed on, I'll be passing it on to you guys post haste.
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