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Post by Anon O. Mous on Jul 8, 2017 12:27:55 GMT -5
I read time and time again that Spirals are ineffective at higher levels. Is that truly the case? One of my Bots runs Hydras and Spirals. The Spirals are currently at level 8, but I hesitate to to upgrade them any higher if they'll be ineffective. What to replace the Spirals with? Noricums perhaps? With their minimum range being reduced to 300 meters, and being rebalanced in an upcoming update, they might be a viable companion to the Hydra. What are your thoughts? 
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jul 8, 2017 12:35:24 GMT -5
My thought is currently all of the mentioned weapons are useless in the upper levels. I am in Android Gold and none of those weapons are ever a factor other than the hydra which I truly believe was designed only to annoy. If you want long range, you need to consider tulumbas with pins as a much more viable option.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Jul 8, 2017 12:38:45 GMT -5
In the light hardpoint, nothing replaces the spiral in its function. Only the medium hardpoint Hydra functions similarly. I'd just keep the Hydra/Spiral Griffin as-is, or just go Quad Hydra Doc.
The Quad Hydra Doc is what I am going to use when the Scourge lands.
The damage from 4 maxed is approx 52K damage --- and that damage will be dished out without reply. I see this kinda if damage as a viable to the Scourge's 600m LOS/no miss range.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jul 8, 2017 12:41:43 GMT -5
I own 3 maxed AT Spirals I used to run on a Gepard back in the Silver days for Clan battles. They were great against low level light bots but dont have the damage to be consider effective in the upper meta. Golden Sabre is spot on, Hydras and Spirals in the upper levels are pretty much useless other than as an annoyance tool.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Jul 8, 2017 12:48:31 GMT -5
My thought is currently all of the mentioned weapons are useless in the upper levels. I am in Android Gold and none of those weapons are ever a factor other than the hydra which I truly believe was designed only to annoy. If you want long range, you need to consider tulumbas with pins as a much more viable option. I do have one Bot running Tulumbas and Pins. I use the Hydra/Spiral Bot usually as a last resort, when blue is losing. I try to use it to slow down Red team's advance. I might need to change tactics, and weapons. Thanks for your input. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 12:49:12 GMT -5
Yep, once you get to the upper tiers you'd be seeing lots of Anciles. Hydras and Spirals don't do jack against spirals. The only thing I'd be using a Hydra Spiral Griffin for is to take out enemy Russian Griffins if you see a lot of them. I recommend you switch it for a better midrange bot, as you're not going to be effectively supporting your teammates by camping and lobbing homing missiles. And also, don't upgrade the Spirals and Hydras past 8. They are simply not worth the silver you would be needing later on.
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jul 8, 2017 12:53:16 GMT -5
Anon O. Mous, it has been my experience that pissing off reds doesn't hold them at bay. In fact, they love to hunt down hydra users to make the tiny stings stop, lol. The best way to slow them down is to blow them up and there are plenty of other weapons that do that job very well.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jul 8, 2017 12:56:37 GMT -5
My thought is currently all of the mentioned weapons are useless in the upper levels. I am in Android Gold and none of those weapons are ever a factor other than the hydra which I truly believe was designed only to annoy. If you want long range, you need to consider tulumbas with pins as a much more viable option. I do have one Bot running Tulumbas and Pins. I use the Hydra/Spiral Bot usually as a last resort, when blue is losing. I try to use it to slow down Red team's advance. I might need to change tactics, and weapons. Thanks for your input. Sadly, Many times when the blue is losing its because of builds like this and the pilots using them just hiding on the back of the map, not attempting to retake beacons. Do yourself and your teamates a favor and ditch it for something more effective to stop the Red advance. :-) |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jul 8, 2017 13:45:18 GMT -5
Let them collect dust until pixo fixes them.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jul 8, 2017 13:47:40 GMT -5
Anon O. Mous , it has been my experience that pissing off reds doesn't hold them at bay. In fact, they love to hunt down hydra users to make the tiny stings stop, lol. The best way to slow them down is to blow them up and there are plenty of other weapons that do that job very well. This very true. When Im in squad on coms I make it a point to have my guys hunt down spiral,hydra,noricom and zenit users. Our hope is that when they see a whole clan singling out one red because of his annoying loadout he will change his ways. We hit a pilot like 4 matches yesterday running a hydra griffin. anytime he would take it out, we would all go after him, on the last match, he only dropped 4 bots and decided it was best not to spawn in said Griffin and he knew anytime he did, we made it a point to target him. Dont be "that guy"... :-) |
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Post by moody on Jul 8, 2017 18:57:40 GMT -5
My thought is currently all of the mentioned weapons are useless in the upper levels. I am in Android Gold and none of those weapons are ever a factor other than the hydra which I truly believe was designed only to annoy. If you want long range, you need to consider tulumbas with pins as a much more viable option. I do have one Bot running Tulumbas and Pins. I use the Hydra/Spiral Bot usually as a last resort, when blue is losing. I try to use it to slow down Red team's advance. I might need to change tactics, and weapons. Thanks for your input. The thing is, a good red team won't be phased. Because a hydra spiral is no more dangerous up close than at 600m. |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Jul 8, 2017 19:10:05 GMT -5
Usually, I'm not "that guy", unless I've been fighting match after match, and to take a break, I camp in back and fire for support. It's a rarity, but it happens once in a while. I have the one Tully/Pin Griff at level 10. I have numerous Tullies at level five collecting dust. I guess it's time to dust them off, and start upgrading. Griffs are pretty versatile with their jump ability, but they're painfully slow to get to the battle on the other side of the grid. The Pixies are promising to make it so that we can spawn on any blue beacon. Until then, I'll spend half the battle, inching back in to the fray. At least with Hydras, I had some hope of contributing from halfway across the grid.
Somehow it never fails, that when I take Tullies or guns in to battle, I'm ambushed by Orkans or Tarans. When that happens, my Tullies just can't keep pace with them. When I go in to battle with Orkans or Tarans, I'm blown away by Tullies before I can get them in range. It's like the Reds are psychic or something.
And talk about annoying! Gekkos and Trebuchets killing me from 9,000,000 miles away, especially in Canyon and Yamantau. Makes me want to throw my phone across the room.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 19:55:03 GMT -5
Spirals are very effective builds in lower levels. I used it back in the Gepard days to mainly hunt those fast, lightly armoured bots that you can't hit when you're playing on a phone. They have fairly low DPS, but that stacks up. I don't know about nowadays, but last year I was able to score as much with that weapon as other better bots. The secret is to fire constantly and you'll see the damage adds up and makes up for the low DPS.
Eventually I got bored and I moved on. I brought it out on a Patton Spiral a couple weeks ago, and even though my Spirals are severely underleveled now, the AI on the missiles are still really good and there's nowhere a Griffin can hide on Canyon. As you know, nowadays there are lots of Griffins like RDB not to mention the usual DB ones.
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