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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 3:52:35 GMT -5
With the oh so slow upgrade times it would be really nice to have an extra upgrade slot.
I've seen many games add this as an option. Some have made it so its a modest cost for a temporary slot, usually in daily or weekly increments. I've seen others offer a permanent slot for considerable cost.
I personally would pay 5k gold for the permanent option.
How do you guys feel? What do you think would be a fair price?
Do do you think it would adversely affect the game or actually make it better?
I was thinking it might help not only the individual who wants to upgrade faster but it would also bring unskilled players with cash to higher tiers much faster offering up easy kills to players who might otherwise tank to find unskilled players to club? Perhaps helping to balance things a bit? Idk
Any thoughts, other ideas and insightful input would be greatly appreciated. Thx.
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Post by wildboar on Jul 8, 2017 4:02:51 GMT -5
it would work at the lower levels but once you get into the mega amount of silver for an upgrade, I don't think you wouldn't be able to afford to have 2 upgrades running
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Post by Firebeard on Jul 8, 2017 4:16:44 GMT -5
I'm about to bring my Orkans from L11 to L12 - 7 days Upgrade time.
Total: L5 to L12 - 28 days .. that's a little much. A second upgrade slot would cut that in half ..
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Post by ༒ƜƦƛƖƬӇ༒ on Jul 8, 2017 5:21:39 GMT -5
I would LOVE to have the ability to buy extra upgrade slots.. Schhhhhhha-wing
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Post by joshfishyu on Jul 8, 2017 6:16:28 GMT -5
Yes! Yes! YES!!! Extra slot and more silver! Level 12 weapons for EVERYONE!
Ok,Ok,let's be serious. I think part of the current MM problems are due to huge gap in player population between high and low leagues. Having more players with high level equipment might solve this issue. Just based my personal obeservation, Pixonic should have more data in this matter.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jul 8, 2017 6:26:01 GMT -5
I'm about to bring my Orkans from L11 to L12 - 7 days Upgrade time. Total: L5 to L12 - 28 days .. that's a little much. A second upgrade slot would cut that in half .. You'd run out of silver so fast it isn't funny. Hard enough to keep up as it is. As much as the idea sounds great on paper, in practice it'd be a nightmare.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 7:09:14 GMT -5
I'm about to bring my Orkans from L11 to L12 - 7 days Upgrade time. Total: L5 to L12 - 28 days .. that's a little much. A second upgrade slot would cut that in half .. You'd run out of silver so fast it isn't funny. Hard enough to keep up as it is. As much as the idea sounds great on paper, in practice it'd be a nightmare. I currently have 444 million silver. My bots are lvl 9 most weapons are 7,8,9. How far would that silver get me?. Assume I'll pick up another 4 mill a day from playin.
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Post by oakwhelie on Jul 8, 2017 7:29:13 GMT -5
I'm about to bring my Orkans from L11 to L12 - 7 days Upgrade time. Total: L5 to L12 - 28 days .. that's a little much. A second upgrade slot would cut that in half .. You'd run out of silver so fast it isn't funny. Hard enough to keep up as it is. As much as the idea sounds great on paper, in practice it'd be a nightmare. it might not sounf appealing for those who only have lv 10-11 stuff to upgrade, but it helps for those new players who earn silver much faster than they can spend them. Also, there are players like me who have no intention to upgrade anything past 9 and instead prefer to upgrade everything (even ecu) to 9. These players have no reason to spend money on premium account, which is a lost potential revenue for pix. Adding an extra upgrade slot will allow pix to cash in on these players, while they rejoice as they quickly level up plenty of things. These players will keep upgrading things concurrently until they start to lose ag, at which point they might think to buy premium account to get silver fast to keep up with upgrades. Its a win-win for players and pix
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jul 8, 2017 8:33:41 GMT -5
You'd run out of silver so fast it isn't funny. Hard enough to keep up as it is. As much as the idea sounds great on paper, in practice it'd be a nightmare. it might not sounf appealing for those who only have lv 10-11 stuff to upgrade, but it helps for those new players who earn silver much faster than they can spend them. Also, there are players like me who have no intention to upgrade anything past 9 and instead prefer to upgrade everything (even ecu) to 9. These players have no reason to spend money on premium account, which is a lost potential revenue for pix. Adding an extra upgrade slot will allow pix to cash in on these players, while they rejoice as they quickly level up plenty of things. These players will keep upgrading things concurrently until they start to lose ag, at which point they might think to buy premium account to get silver fast to keep up with upgrades. Its a win-win for players and pix All it will do is drain your silver reserverves in a horrifyingly quick fashion. You might as well just spend gold to rush upgrades, the net effect will be the same. To max a hanger you'll need more than 1 billion with a capital B. The lower levels always feel god-like. Rolling in silver when upgrades only cost 1-2 million, feeling like you're on top of the world. It ends in short order. I really don't mean to ?poo-poo? on anyone's parade but seriously, but the silver you have right now is inadequate, I PROMISE. And none of this takes into account mistakes or flights of whimsy or sidetracked if you happen to win the new hawtness and you decide to change direction. Getting 3 tridents to 11 only to have their efficacy drastically reduced is a real thing, trust me. As far as only going to 9, i can't address this beyond saying to each their own, but you certainly are in the minority.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jul 8, 2017 8:37:52 GMT -5
You'd run out of silver so fast it isn't funny. Hard enough to keep up as it is. As much as the idea sounds great on paper, in practice it'd be a nightmare. I currently have 444 million silver. My bots are lvl 9 most weapons are 7,8,9. How far would that silver get me?. Assume I'll pick up another 4 mill a day from playin. Well, if you're interested in a max hangar, 5 heavies, which is very common, lvl 11&12 costs you 200m alone. Then, god forbid, you have a fury zeus, lvl 12 is 91m for the 3. And that's not including the rest of your weapons. Just one bots weapons and the bots put you at 291m. Orkans? Hold on tight. Ancile? You don't even wanna know, same prices as Zeus. Tridents or trebs for just a fury, n/m a butch? You're in the poor house trying to avoid debtors prison. Rdbs? Not cheap like you'd want or like, and this is one of the cheaper options. It gets crazy FAST. Edit: for ease of reference: faq.Walking War Robots.mobi/hc/en-us/categories/200476591-Knowledge-base
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Post by Ron Gaul on Jul 8, 2017 8:48:50 GMT -5
it would work at the lower levels but once you get into the mega amount of silver for an upgrade, I don't think you wouldn't be able to afford to have 2 upgrades running True...to a degree. It'd be very, very pricey to upgrade more than one. However there are three options left for players in that event: 1. Play more. Which benefits pix and the game. 2. Premium account. Which also benefits pix and the game. 3. Buy silver with gold. Which was probably bought with real money, and so it ALSO benefits pix and the game. This is literally a concept that hurts no one and benefits the game and game devs. Not everyone may be able to afford to utilize this feature, but so what? Just because you can't afford a Lamborghini, doesn't mean they shouldn't be made for those who can.
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Post by Firebeard on Jul 8, 2017 8:55:58 GMT -5
I'm about to bring my Orkans from L11 to L12 - 7 days Upgrade time. Total: L5 to L12 - 28 days .. that's a little much. A second upgrade slot would cut that in half .. You'd run out of silver so fast it isn't funny. Hard enough to keep up as it is. As much as the idea sounds great on paper, in practice it'd be a nightmare. Silver isn't an issue. Waiting a month for two weapons is. It only takes me about 3 days to generate 20M. At that rate I could've been done the Orkans in two weeks.
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Post by 7iquid on Jul 8, 2017 8:56:22 GMT -5
You could consider an RPG game with the OP's suggestion:
The extra upgrade would work very in lower levels (because you would grow your character quickly) but you would suddenly run out of resources to continue that growth: you then have to farm or grind for a disproportionate length of time. Like a plateau.
Pilots would probably hang-up their flying gloves when they realise how long it will take to reach the end of the plateau.
Having said all that...if an extra slot WAS available..id pay and use it for when I want to upgrade a new Orkan for a couple of levels: alongside my ongoing Zeus upgrade 10 - 11 (for example).
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jul 8, 2017 9:00:03 GMT -5
You'd run out of silver so fast it isn't funny. Hard enough to keep up as it is. As much as the idea sounds great on paper, in practice it'd be a nightmare. Silver isn't an issue. Waiting a month for two weapons is. It only takes me about 3 days to generate 20M. At that rate I could've been done the Orkans in two weeks. But silver WILL be an issue. I've been making 10m a day during the event and I'm nowhere close to being done. Trust me you need the longer upgrade times just to keep your head above water. Again, if your goal is for a maxed hangar. This is where I'm at. Ignore the carnage, it's just a test. The thunder belongs on an ancile slot and the carnage itself is a lol 10 fury with level 11 tridents. The almost maxed ancilot currently has 4ish more days to lol 12. The prices are horrifying.
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Post by Firebeard on Jul 8, 2017 9:10:01 GMT -5
Silver isn't an issue. Waiting a month for two weapons is. It only takes me about 3 days to generate 20M. At that rate I could've been done the Orkans in two weeks. But silver WILL be an issue. I've been making 10m a day during the event and I'm nowhere close to being done. Trust me you need the longer upgrade times just to keep your head above water. Again, if your goal is for a maxed hangar. This is where I'm at. Ignore the carnage, it's just a test. The thunder belongs on an ancile slot and the carnage itself is a lol 10 fury with level 11 tridents. The almost maxed ancilot currently has 4ish more days to lol 12. The prices are horrifying. I'm not familiar with the Thunder but the Zeus and Orkans combined are close to 100M. Even if I need to wait an extra day or two, I'd rather see the progress of two weapons upgraded than 1 .. then another 1 .. then another 1 .. then -
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 8, 2017 9:38:52 GMT -5
I would love to see this option in the game, and I am fully aware it would cause most players, including me, to run out of silver quickly if you go past level 9.
It's a fact, so stop debating it. Unless you play a ridiculous amount of time per day, you're not going to keep up with silver if you're upgrading two weapons at a time to 10, 11, 12. The people saying you wouldn't run out simply aren't there. It's like someone that's never been above Gold league trying to comment about what it's like playing in champions.
That said, the fact that most people would run out of silver is not a reason to not have it as an option. For some people, simply getting everything to level 9 twice as fast will make it worth it. And if you ever do stockpile enough to run two high level upgrades at a time, even better.
The only thing I'm curious about is how much money they currently make from people speeding upgrades. If that number is so high that it doesn't justify giving the extra upgrade slot option, then it will never happen. And remember, they don't only make money on upgrades when you buy gold to do it. If you're using your free gold to speed upgrades, and then you have no gold left when Dash bots come out and spend $100, it's the upgrades that made them that money. If it weren't for you speeding upgrades, you would've had enough free gold for the new bots.
I just feel like the argument you guys are having is pointless and completely unrelated to OP question. Every player that's experienced enough knows that silver is the most valuable resource in the game, and the hardest to acquire (in relation to how much you need of it). But if someone wants the option to spend it faster, why not give it to them? Depending on the price, I might buy it on my second account. With the + points for losers, it's almost impossible to run a second account for long - you play for two weeks, which is barely enough time to get half your hangar to level 7, and then you're already in Diamond league facing maxed hangars. There would be a viable market for second upgrade slots. Just because it wouldn't benefit top tier players doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed in the game.
Tldr; yes.
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Post by MCYL on Jul 8, 2017 10:08:38 GMT -5
I'm a fairly active player and even at level 8/8 I doubt I could use 2 upgrade slots. In early level silver levels swell rather quickly but I feel I'm reaching around break even point now. What is helpful however is when I try to diversify my hangar as leveling a new bot with new weapons up to parity gives a period of low Ag expenditure allowing the coffers to grow a bit more. As I don't particularly feel motivated playing this event I wish I used premium during the birthday event.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Jul 8, 2017 11:33:50 GMT -5
I'm about to bring my Orkans from L11 to L12 - 7 days Upgrade time. Total: L5 to L12 - 28 days .. that's a little much. A second upgrade slot would cut that in half .. Anything above 48 hours is too long. I've said as much in my test server feedback. I think the Pixies are hoping that one doesn't want to wait that long, and drop some gold to speed the process. Sneaky and tricksie, these Pixies.
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Post by someonenottomesswith on Jul 8, 2017 14:03:14 GMT -5
Have two warehouse upgrade options:
Increase number of training slots (up to 3) - costs gold Decrease silver upgrade costs (up to 30% at level 10) - costs workshop points.
Multiple training doesn't have to be compared only to the cost of improving level 9+. You could have 1 slot training a high/expensive level and another training that new bot, or unused weapons below level 9 in anticipation for that next meta swing.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Jul 8, 2017 14:17:00 GMT -5
Note that the meta has been changed to encourage/enforce players climbing through leagues and ultimately reaching Diamond or above. Granted, the cost of running multiple high-level upgrades simultaneously might prove impossible for most players. But, not all. And to get to the point of NOT being able to afford simultaneous upgrades, its necessary to first upgrade a LOT of gear. So, I'm all for it.
With that in mind, I do think the cost should be right around 1000Au. More than that and it's a tad outlandish. That's the same as it costs for the fourth slot, and IMHO the two would be fairly equivalent in value.
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Post by Firebeard on Jul 8, 2017 15:07:33 GMT -5
I'm about to bring my Orkans from L11 to L12 - 7 days Upgrade time. Total: L5 to L12 - 28 days .. that's a little much. A second upgrade slot would cut that in half .. Anything above 48 hours is too long. I've said as much in my test server feedback. I think the Pixies are hoping that one doesn't want to wait that long, and drop some gold to speed the process. Sneaky and tricksie, these Pixies. Yeah, they think it'll help get Players to buy Gold but they Nerfed the Silver payouts so, it can the Upgrade time just to get enough Silver for the next upgrade. Worls out to the same time allotted anyway .. I don't think they thought it through too well lol
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Jul 8, 2017 15:41:55 GMT -5
As someone who is not going past level 8 but loves variety I would absolutely love this option.
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Post by evals on Jul 8, 2017 20:11:45 GMT -5
There's almost no way I would spend even a penny on "freemium" games. Maybe I'm a little old fashioned growing up on consoles and no internet. A one time fee of around of up to $50 and I get a game in its entirety. I just can't buy into freemium, the content is just not worth what the developers are selling it for, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 20:43:25 GMT -5
I could go for a 6th slot
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 20:50:43 GMT -5
I'm a fairly active player and even at level 8/8 I doubt I could use 2 upgrade slots. In early level silver levels swell rather quickly but I feel I'm reaching around break even point now. What is helpful however is when I try to diversify my hangar as leveling a new bot with new weapons up to parity gives a period of low Ag expenditure allowing the coffers to grow a bit more. As I don't particularly feel motivated playing this event I wish I used premium during the birthday event. I agree. Last event was too good and not a scam. Won too much stuff that I don't need much more. I still have a level 1 Orkan, L1 Gareth from last event. And a L1 Taran from couple events ago sitting around all waiting to be upgraded.
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Post by MCYL on Jul 8, 2017 20:52:27 GMT -5
As someone who is not going past level 8 but loves variety I would absolutely love this option. Why not 9 at least for the bots just to max out on speed?
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Post by bikedork1 on Jul 8, 2017 21:02:06 GMT -5
I'm all for buying spaces in an upgrade que, still only one upgrade at a time, but maybe second space for 2500 gold, third space for 5000 gold. Most players wanting to upgrade more than one item aren't hurting for gold, but need some time to build the silver. Dissenting opinions are welcome. (Mandatory?)
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Jul 8, 2017 23:06:03 GMT -5
As someone who is not going past level 8 but loves variety I would absolutely love this option. Why not 9 at least for the bots just to max out on speed? Hey Marty, Back in Jan just before the new MM hit I was running a 6/8 heavy hangar, 3/7 medium and 2/5 light. I would also mix and match to create faction hangars for fun. My intention then was to slowly build up to a top tier hangar while maintaining the ability to play up and down, squad with my son and faction mates, all that stuff. Then the new MM hit. Was not a fan. As the chaos was working it's way out I upgraded all my heavies to 7, and then my Griffin to 8. It was around then that I realized just what the new MM entailed. A essentially damaged based league system that would not allow you to go up and down by swapping bots in and out of the hangar. I had already been placed in Gold 1. My lights and mediums were worthless. Upgrading my heavies further would only make them more so. I decided then and there that I was done climbing the league. So I froze my heavies in place, slotted in my lights and relentlessly upgraded them to 9, giving them level 8 weapons from my heavy lineup. They became my main hangar. Over the last thousand matches I've played, I've played them over 300x. I actually made D3 with them. After they hit 9, I began leveling up the mediums. They are now at 7 with a mix of level 7 and 8 weapons. My plan is to leave my heavies be, get my mediums up to 8 and have my lights at 9. My weapons range from 5-8 with a single L9 Thunder from the old MM days that was on a Boa that ran with my heavies. I'll bring the weapons up to 8. My goal is to be able to use any bot I own and have it operate at approximately the sameish level of effectiveness. I'm getting there. I like Gold1 (with occasional visits so far to G2 and D3). There is tons of bot variety there, I get to see everything. I get to use everything. I run faction hangars, weight class hangars and mixed hangars. That's ten catagories of hangar with plenty of flavors in each. I own 41 bots and use 40 of them, 30 regularly. Upgrading them to nine would just shove me up higher.
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Post by MCYL on Jul 8, 2017 23:09:06 GMT -5
Why not 9 at least for the bots just to max out on speed? Hey Marty, Back in Jan just before the new MM hit I was running a 6/8 heavy hangar, 3/7 medium and 2/5 light. I would also mix and match to create faction hangars for fun. My intention then was to slowly build up to a top tier hangar while maintaining the ability to play up and down, squad with my son and faction mates, all that stuff. Then the new MM hit. Was not a fan. As the chaos was working it's way out I upgraded all my heavies to 7, and then my Griffin to 8. It was around then that I realized just what the new MM entailed. A essentially damaged based league system that would not allow you to go up and down by swapping bots in and out of the hangar. I had already been placed in Gold 1. My lights and mediums were worthless. Upgrading my heavies further would only make them more so. I decided then and there that I was done climbing the league. So I froze my heavies in place, slotted in my lights and relentlessly upgraded them to 9, giving them level 8 weapons from my heavy lineup. They became my main hangar. Over the last thousand matches I've played, I've played them over 300x. I actually made D3 with them. After they hit 9, I began leveling up the mediums. They are now at 7 with a mix of level 7 and 8 weapons. My plan is to leave my heavies be, get my mediums up to 8 and have my lights at 9. My weapons range from 5-8 with a single L9 Thunder from the old MM days that was on a Boa that ran with my heavies. I'll bring the weapons up to 8. My goal is to be able to use any bot I own and have it operate at approximately the sameish level of effectiveness. I'm getting there. I like Gold1 (with occasional visits so far to G2 and D3). There is tons of bot variety there, I get to see everything. I get to use everything. I run faction hangars, weight class hangars and mixed hangars. That's ten catagories of hangar with plenty of flavors in each. I own 41 bots and use 40 of them, 30 regularly. Upgrading them to nine would just shove me up higher. Ah makes perfect sense. You keep the gameplay you enjoy with a diversity of toys to play it with. That's a sound idea. Personally I haven't been that way but I can see myself having a silver credit crunch in the coming months. With my 2 accounts I've had the luxury of running 2 different hangar style, one with heavies specific and the other a med specific. Currently at D2 and E3 I'm lucky that my playstyle allows for reputedly squishy bots like Garys post 2.9 and the Rog to still be useful. That said up in diamond and Expert silver med bots are largely gone as are lights. Higher up (MM has often placed me in with Champs) it exceedingly becomes a multi lancelot affair.
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Post by 0ppressor on Jul 8, 2017 23:34:23 GMT -5
So, you want War Robots to be like EVE?
Then, they'll only offer it if you have active premium membersbip.
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