☆ CORVUSNEX ☆
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Dec 28, 2016 11:08:34 GMT -5
My current main hangar consists of 11/12 Plasma Galahad, 2 Lancelots (Orkan & Taran) and a TT Fury, and a fifth bot that I cannot stick with. Some days its a DB Griffin, or an Orkan-Aphid Griffin, or DB Rhino, or a Zeus Carnage, or even a Stalker if I get the light bot daily missions.
Gold and WSP are no objects, so I was considering two builds for play with mostly-randoms, about 30% of the time with my clan:
Triple Zeus Fury: simple enough, but I am not sure if this bot is viable in play against top tier hangars full of shield bots & TT Furies. The Fury is too slow to reposition well, which negates the quick firing rate of the Zeus. The Zeus Fury would do a great job at weakening the shields of the shield bots for teammates to break, and would tear up Griffins, but otherwise it seems like it could not pull its weight with the rest of my level 11 bots. What do you think?
Mid-Range Lance: I have been thinking about using this to provide mobile, shielded fire support specifically for harassing red TT Furies without fear of retaliation. It would consist of two AC Molot Ts plus a Zeus (I don't have the Ag right now to max another Trident). My theory is, with the recent buff two Molot Ts do good damage to unshielded bots at great range, especially in that 615-800m sweet spot that only the KwK/Treb Fury can reach. But being a Lance, at that range nothing can directly damage it without breaking the shield(s) first. Rush can be used to either maintain the sweet spot range, reposition for flanking/retreat, or capture an undefended beacon. I think this bot could work great on the long range maps, ok on Power Plant, and underwhelm on Dead City and Shenzhen.
My other thought is to buy another Plasma Galahad for my 5th slot, and turn my Plasma Lance into the Mid-Range Lance.
Thoughts?
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Post by ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed on Dec 28, 2016 11:26:59 GMT -5
Welcome to the forums!  Phoenix used to run a zeus fury and it was great for hitting jumping bots in the air, but he eventually retired it in favor of tridents because the release of shield bots made it a lot less useful. That being said, you already have a trident fury in hangar so I'm not sure it's a great idea to run yet another slow mid-range bot. At the rate the game is going though, it might very well be viable in 2017 to run two support bots. I haven't used the zeus but I believe it hits the lancelot's top shield while plasma hits the bottom one, so I don't think it's the best for helping to break shields. The mid-range lance might be an effective counter to furies if/when the heavy molot comes out, but until then the range of the zeus requires you to stay within trident reach (in fact the effective range of the tridents is ~50m higher than that of the zeus because of splash and no need for lock-on), which IMO negates its effectiveness. I don't see the molots being great either, as a good fury pilot should only expose himself for the few seconds it takes to unload a salvo and then retreat back to cover. Trebs are ideal for keeping furies constantly pinned down as they unload in an instant, doing full damage to an enemy that so much as peeks from cover. If you're looking for a counter to a fury, then I think molot griff and treb fury are better alternatives to the molot lance and zeus fury. Otherwise I'd go with an aphid patton or classic db griffin for good ol' brawling fun. |
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☆ CORVUSNEX ☆
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Dec 28, 2016 11:56:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the input and the welcome!
I had the mid-range Lance idea based on rumors of the Heavy Molot/Protolot coming out early in 2017, but with no specifics available it might not be wise to plan around vaporware.
Since I have so much gold and WSP, I was trying to figure out a way to neutralize the TT Fury, without having to buy Trebs, which are just awful.
Maybe I will just buy another Galahad and try to sneak up on them. Cheapest option by far, too.
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Post by Flukey*Lukey on Dec 28, 2016 11:59:04 GMT -5
Or you could do what Adrian does and run kwks but I don't know how they work running solo
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 28, 2016 12:01:19 GMT -5
Or you could do what Adrian does and run kwks but I don't know how they work running solo Kwk's are more for clan play. Used to take out Trident Furys. |
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☆ CORVUSNEX ☆
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Dec 28, 2016 12:55:10 GMT -5
Or you could do what Adrian does and run kwks but I don't know how they work running solo Kwk's are more for clan play. Used to take out Trident Furys. IMHO, that is even more specialized than my Molot Lance. At least the Lance has the mobility to reposition quickly.
I forgot about the Molot Griffin. What about a Molot-Kwk Lance? I go back to the Lance because I have two of them already and a third would be no problem.
I keep hearing that a Tulu Doc would be effective but it has low-ish HP and Tulus have horrible DPS. Maybe I'll see how the Tulu Doc shakes out before making a final decision.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Dec 28, 2016 13:25:53 GMT -5
I'd recommend (as the meta sits now) a dedicated Aphid bot. Patton, Gep, or pothead Leo (Ancile & Aphids). Love my pothead Leo as it has great survivability.
Keep in mind if they nerf Aphids in an update then you'll end up hangaring the bot. But as of right now it's a pretty solid setup.
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☆ CORVUSNEX ☆
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Dec 28, 2016 13:35:43 GMT -5
I'd recommend (as the meta sits now) a dedicated Aphid bot. Patton, Gep, or pothead Leo (Ancile & Aphids). Love my pothead Leo as it has great survivability. Keep in mind if they nerf Aphids in an update then you'll end up hangaring the bot. But as of right now it's a pretty solid setup.
I have some Aphids, love them dearly, but I keep taking them off my bots for fear that they will be nerfed again. My Aphid Gepard carried me through silver tier and it was a sad day for me when I had to hangar it because of the Aphid nerf (last winter?). Every few days I will put a couple of maxed Aphids on an Orkan Rhino but as time goes on I get tired of the Rhino's maneuverability issues, hence the Galahad.
I could make a Thunder-Aphid Leo as I have everything I need for that to work at the level I play at. I don't own an Ancile so I cannot make a pothead, although if the Ancile goes on the live server with the test server buff I would reconsider. I love the idea of the pothead Leo as a long-lasting Aphid boat. It still does not help me against the dang TT Furies. Or would it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 14:00:40 GMT -5
Triple Zeus Fury: simple enough, but I am not sure if this bot is viable in play against top tier hangars full of shield bots & TT Furies. The Fury is too slow to reposition well, which negates the quick firing rate of the Zeus. The Zeus Fury would do a great job at weakening the shields of the shield bots for teammates to break, and would tear up Griffins, but otherwise it seems like it could not pull its weight with the rest of my level 11 bots. What do you think? Mid-Range Lance: I have been thinking about using this to provide mobile, shielded fire support specifically for harassing red TT Furies without fear of retaliation. It would consist of two AC Molot Ts plus a Zeus (I don't have the Ag right now to max another Trident). My theory is, with the recent buff two Molot Ts do good damage to unshielded bots at great range, especially in that 615-800m sweet spot that only the KwK/Treb Fury can reach. But being a Lance, at that range nothing can directly damage it without breaking the shield(s) first. Rush can be used to either maintain the sweet spot range, reposition for flanking/retreat, or capture an undefended beacon. I think this bot could work great on the long range maps, ok on Power Plant, and underwhelm on Dead City and Shenzhen. My other thought is to buy another Plasma Galahad for my 5th slot, and turn my Plasma Lance into the Mid-Range Lance. Thoughts? Zeus Fury: Don't think you'll like it. The only thing it does well, is Griffs on open maps. I have one in storage that I don't use at all - in fact I'm leveling a second set of Tridents inspired by Petevb. Mid-range Lance: Survivability, yes, but dps will be horrible. Unless you tend to mech-out a lot (I wouldn't think so) I would expect this setup to be underwhelming. You could do a Molot-Rhino for +50% dps in the +600m range, although you'd run into trouble with the Rhino's movement pattern. Imo, a 2nd Plasma Galahad or some Aphid platform (as others have mentioned) are the best choices currently - however Doc (and Protolot if it ever comes out) may change this. Edit: Taran-Aphid Galahad is fun too, however it plays somewhat differently from Plasma Galahad.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 28, 2016 14:09:44 GMT -5
[a 2nd Plasma Galahad or some Aphid platform (as others have mentioned) are the best choices currently - however Doc (and Protolot if it ever comes out) may change this. i have a doc now, and what i can say is that it is underwhelming. While it does have the manoeuvrability that many midrangers lack, the lack of large burst damage is hard to work with. The swap time takes too long to make it a viable setup regardless of weapons imo. |
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 28, 2016 14:13:37 GMT -5
[a 2nd Plasma Galahad or some Aphid platform (as others have mentioned) are the best choices currently - however Doc (and Protolot if it ever comes out) may change this. i have a doc now, and what i can say is that it is underwhelming. While it does have the manoeuvrability that many midrangers lack, the lack of large burst damage is hard to work with. The swap time takes too long to make it a viable setup regardless of weapons imo. You are running quad Tulumbas on that Doc? |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 28, 2016 14:16:23 GMT -5
You are running quad Tulumbas on that Doc? yeah i ran quad tulumbas on the doc, i tried orkans and that really didnt work  . Quad tulumbas was the setup that worked most effectively, but i wouldnt personally replace a TT Fury or even a RDB Griffin for it imo. |
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 28, 2016 14:17:36 GMT -5
You are running quad Tulumbas on that Doc? yeah i ran quad tulumbas on the doc, i tried orkans and that really didnt work . Quad tulumbas was the setup that worked most effectively, but i wouldnt personally replace a TT Fury or even a Russian Death Button Griffin for it imo. It would be kinda interesting if there was a robot with five weapon slots. |
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☆ CORVUSNEX ☆
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Dec 28, 2016 14:21:10 GMT -5
Zeus Fury: Don't think you'll like it. The only thing it does well, is Griffs on open maps. I have one in storage that I don't use at all - in fact I'm leveling a second set of Tridents inspired by Petevb. Mid-range Lance: Survivability, yes, but dps will be horrible. Unless you tend to mech-out a lot (I wouldn't think so) I would expect this setup to be underwhelming. You could do a Molot-Rhino for +50% dps in the +600m range, although you'd run into trouble with the Rhino's movement pattern. Imo, a 2nd Plasma Galahad or some Aphid platform (as others have mentioned) are the best choices currently - however Doc (and Protolot if it ever comes out) may change this. Edit: Taran-Aphid Galahad is fun too, however it plays somewhat differently from Plasma Galahad.
Good feedback, thanks. I don't have an Aphid boat in my hangar. I would like to run a pothead Leo if the Ancile gets a buff (imagine if it got buffed AND could be turned ON/OFF!), but for now maybe I will try the Aphid-Thunder Leo and see how I do with that. Thanks! |
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Dec 28, 2016 15:06:00 GMT -5
As it is right now the beauty of the pothead is that aphid Patton's have a harder time responding to you. If they link fire the entire salvo is blocked.
Leo's huge HP pool is awsome too. Me and a clan mate paired up (pothead Leo and aphid Patton), and defeated center on DC. We pushed a little too far forward in the crater and a thunder Taran Lance came over the rise. I jumped in front of my clan mate and ate point blank thunder and Tarans long enough for us to kill the Lance. It has some awesome staying power on the field.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Dec 28, 2016 15:07:16 GMT -5
Too add, my Leo is only level 9 and Ancile is at 6. The rest of my hangar is near max though so I was I was max tier in that match.
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☆ CORVUSNEX ☆
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Posts: 106
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Pilot name: ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Dec 28, 2016 15:13:00 GMT -5
Too add, my Leo is only level 9 and Ancile is at 6. The rest of my hangar is near max though so I was I was max tier in that match. Holy h3ll, really?! This I must investigate.... |
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 28, 2016 15:17:11 GMT -5
Too add, my Leo is only level 9 and Ancile is at 6. The rest of my hangar is near max though so I was I was max tier in that match. Holy h3ll, really?! This I must investigate.... Matchmaking is based on your highest bot/weapons. |
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. Quad tulumbas was the setup that worked most effectively, but i wouldnt personally replace a TT Fury or even a RDB Griffin for it imo.