Pixonic Announcement: Pinatas, Pins, and Tulus change

I'm curious to what maps you think that is.  I look at the maps mostly like this.  I am mostly a knife fighter with a bit of sniper and I'm looking to swap out my trip Treb Fury in Gold.

Yamantau:  Yep, not terribly knife fighter friendly, but the center really is a moshpit.  This map leans towards long ranged fighters... but the center beacon is key to victory and snipers and mid rangers to take the center beacon. Long>Medium/Close

Shenzen: Well, the center is not knife fighter friendly, unless you play peekaboo with whoever runs for the center putting them at <300m.  The outskirts are pretty friendly for getting up close and personal.  This map is friendly for medium and even knife fighters.  Medium>Close>Long

Springfield:  Yeah, half the map sucks for knife fighters, but half the map we excel on.  With two beacons out there knife fighting works just fine.  This map leans towards long ranged fighters. Long>Close>Medium

Dead City: This one was built for gettting up close and personal.  Close>Medium>Long

Canyon: This one is rough for knife fighters, but playing the center offers lots of opportunity for it.  Long>Medium>Close

Power Plant: This one is built for Medium range fighter and Knife Fighters.  Close/Medium>Long

Yamantau, Springfield, and Canyon. Yeah, there's places to get close, but those maps were clearly not designed around knife fighting. Dead City and Powerplant are my two favorites. Shenzhen and Yamantau are next in line. Springfield and Canyon are my least favorites.

Rocket weapons are already too overpowered in this game. The Pin and Tulumbas reload while firing thing is OK since those weapons are not that good anyway in high silver and up. The pinata ones are a problem.

I'd like to see this happen as a nerf to rockets if they could shoot without loading:
Orkan time for a full reload: 23 seconds
Pinata time for full reload: 20 seconds

Do you really believe that? The part I highlighted and bolded? Just curious....

Do you even RDB Griff bro? Teehee.

its not going to be that drastic of a change, the only thing that will change is the fact that jumpy bots will no longer be able to simply jump backwards and then do as they please till the pinatas/orkans are ready to do some serious damage again

Sweet!!!!!! Want more projectiles in the Pins though. OP, maybe, maybe not. Bottom line, "Shut up and Play"
BTW - there is no such thing as overkill

Exactly.

Pix need to do a better job at communicating the rationales behind these decisions so people can draw more informed conclusions.

"This is meant to increase their effectiveness in relevance to other weapons"

What other weapons? What kind of battle scenarios have given them data to prompt this potential change? 
They should also announce this stuff very close to a date in which players can actually try it on the test server, so that rather than panicking, players can experience it in practice and then get a better grasp of their feelings on the matter. 

I will hold back on any speculation until I get a better understanding of their thought process.

IMO this change wouldn't really impact the game that much, for example I see many people are worried of a Tulu Fujin pelting them on and on, have you even read the whole post? It says reloading time will be proportionate to items initial reload time and amount of missiles, which means, the 8 missiles in a Tulu will be evenly fired through the 18 second period of what used to be the reload (which is about 1 Tulu missile every 2 seconds), this would evenly spread out the DPM of weapon and wouldnt make a change to weapon as you are doing the SAME amount of damage over the SAME amount of time, the only difference is that the damage is more evenly spread it, the only advantages the Tulu/Pin/Pinata would get were to not waste their full ammo on something that has like a sliver of health and be able to damage bots that have a sliver of health when otherwise would have been your reload time. This would make the Russian Death Button and Tulu Fujin less vulnerable to attacks when are supposed to reload as you can fire 1 missile every 2 seconds, this is needed as the Fury Trident is broken right now, this is possibly an indirect nerf to the Fury Trident, which is much needed.

Then again for those that like taking a big chunk of health in a small amount of time, they wouldnt use this ability to fire while reloading, less satisfying to see IMO

All in all, IDC if they add this to the game or not, doesnt make a HUGE difference to how Russian Death Button's and Tulu Fujins are played anyway, like do you stand there and keep shooting your Orkans at the enemy when they are reloading or do you hide and wait for your Orkans and Pinatas to get to a suitable amount of ammo and then attack? Im pretty sure everyone chose the second option (dont even bother correcting me if Im wrong, IDC) as you have a higher chance of survival hiding and waiting for your ammo to replenish and finish your enemy in one go, the only situation you would choose the first option is if the enemy is nearly dead and you just want to finish them off

To add to this, you would still die in the same amount of time if an RDB Griffin used the reload time we have now or if it used the firing-while-reloading

Alright, looks like I am going to need to tell you kids to do your math.
Remember that it will be proportional to the reload.....in other words, the dpm will be.....exactly the same.

Consider that it just means that people will be using that fire rate over a longer period of time.

Sure, it will change up tactics, a bit. But why, please tell me, do you not want the people being slaughtered by gepeards to be able to hit back when trimag is smacking them senseless? We all know that accuracy is not a steong suit for a majority of the players being victimized down in bronze.

Lets see.....8 rockets. 18 second reload. 18/8= 1 missile every 2.25 seconds. This is for a Tulu.

Now....4 rockets. Every 12 seconds. 12/4 = 1 rocket every 3 seconds.

A single rocket from either weapon isnt much to think about. The orkan still holds the advantage in all situations with it's payload and relaod fire rate. These weapons will literally have no dps/m change. At all.

Now, lets check the piniata. 16 missiles with a reaload of 15 seconds. 16/15= 1 missile just barely every 1 second.

Remember the delay before the clip emptying and relaoding one. It isnt much. It's literally a mass fearmongering that is occuring.

I imagine that people look at it like a gau is firing tulumbas rockets. Not happening like that. Its literally just a change in relaod mechanics.....a buff to a weapon that simply increases usefulness. Not the damage. Not the splash radius. It's not like the trident can fire like this. Now that....tha would be something to fear. But this is almost trivial. The orkan, hands down, still holds a better burst damage over all of these weapons.

Breath guys. Dont freak out. This isnt bad. This isnt an Aphid being able to fire while reloading. Now that would suck...

On another note: People thought the gun buff made gaus and molots op. The gau ACTUALLY got worse and the molot became marginally better.

I know this is a double-post but this is relevant to both threads...


Look guys and gals, Pixonic is not going to kill the goose for the golden egg. They have a product base worth millions, and they aren't going to do anything that has the potential to disrupt their revenue streams without testing the hell out of 'it' first. As I understand how game development cycles run, I'll bet they have an internal round of testing that we public players never even see. This means new stuff gets filtered twice, at least, before anything hits the live servers.

DON'T PANIC.

And as far as the OP, just to clear it up... I am not Chicken Little-ing, nor fear-mongering. Nor throwing my hands up in the air and screaming while running around in circles.

Merely stating my opinions as the OP asked and relating my reasons for it. If they implement it I will adjust... unless it breaks the game.  Like other changes I didn't want.

I just don't think it is needed and gave my reasons... no need for some of the condescension that showed up in several posts, y'all. 

I assure you, I can do math and I can see your points.  And I still don't want the change.  Nor do I feel it is needed.

Like Lilith said though, hopefully it will be tested first... but that original FB post was like "Here is the change that is coming, oh BTW, do y'all want that to happen?"  After the unannounced Aphid buff, is anyone surprised that I felt the need to be a squeaky wheel and get a disagreeing opinion out there if I felt it was a bad idea? 

Cheers and have a Happy New Year!

Read it. Read it again. I feel like hitting my head to the desk right now.
My answer is: Nooooooooo!!! Absolutely not.

Cheers miss Lilith... I did not mean you, either... you have not come across in any other way than putting your thoughts and ideas out there.