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Post by frunobulax on Dec 27, 2016 21:30:56 GMT -5
Hi, I love the available gold and WSP purchase guides. As a newbie, I wonder which AG weapons and robots are useful and which are not. For example, the AT spiral seems to be worthless because it is completely outclassed by the Aphid. But due to the snowflake event I have loads of stuff that I tried once, and most of it only once because it seemed useless to me. Does anybody use CRV Pins or SM Noricums with success? Many bronze bots use those machine gun style weapons (AC Molot, GAU punisher), but they seem to be pretty much rubbish to me. In heavy weapons, I like the ECC Thunder a lot, actually more than the WSP Trebuchet. But KWK 448, ETC Kang-Dae and Zenit seem to be rather worthless too. (I wonder if the ETC Kang-Dae would make a good sniper weapon though.) Has anybody made a compilation? As for robots, I have developed no love for either of Destrier, Schütze, Cossack, Vityaz and Golem, but I admit that I haven't tried too hard. (Can't tell about heavies because I'm far away from gold tier.) What about them? Best, F.
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Post by jazzykat on Dec 27, 2016 21:46:20 GMT -5
Better players than me will answer your questions but it seems that you have a lot of good observations/instincts.
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Post by The Violator on Dec 27, 2016 21:56:52 GMT -5
Never use noricoms in any capacity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 22:04:47 GMT -5
Best Light Weapons: Magnums (when used with tarans or Orkan [Rhino only]), Pinata (when used with Orkans), Aphids (when used with Tarans or Aphids or orkans), Pins (when used with tridents or Tulumbas) Best Medium Weapons: Orkans (when used with aphids or pinatas or magnum [Rhino only]), Tulumbas (when used with pins or trident), Tarans (when used with magnums) Best Heavy Weapons: Thunder, Trident (Must be paired with 1-2 others to be effective), Zeus.
Trebs are a good intimidation factor to enemy carnages and Zenit is good for pissing off both your team and the enemy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 22:58:08 GMT -5
Hi, I love the available gold and WSP purchase guides. As a newbie, I wonder which AG weapons and robots are useful and which are not. For example, the AT spiral seems to be worthless because it is completely outclassed by the Aphid. But due to the snowflake event I have loads of stuff that I tried once, and most of it only once because it seemed useless to me. Does anybody use CRV Pins or SM Noricums with success? Many bronze bots use those machine gun style weapons (AC Molot, GAU punisher), but they seem to be pretty much rubbish to me. In heavy weapons, I like the ECC Thunder a lot, actually more than the WSP Trebuchet. But KWK 448, ETC Kang-Dae and Zenit seem to be rather worthless too. (I wonder if the ETC Kang-Dae would make a good sniper weapon though.) Has anybody made a compilation? As for robots, I have developed no love for either of Destrier, Schütze, Cossack, Vityaz and Golem, but I admit that I haven't tried too hard. (Can't tell about heavies because I'm far away from gold tier.) What about them? Best, F. Ag items have limited capacities later on, BUT: Ag bots: -Golem: get a couple of these once you have 1-2 Orkans/Tarans. It shares the top speed of the boa and vityaz, and has more firepower than each, at the cost of a little health. You can use pretty much every weapon you're upgrading. -Boa: probably the only Ag Medium bot that can reliably hold it's own up to low gold, the boa is a boat of HP that can reliably win games if piloted well -Griffin: hands down the best Ag bot, it has the same firepower as the Rhino, and can perform the Rhino's roles. Using it's jump properly is key to the Griffin's utility. Weapons: -Sura-F Pinata: when at a loss for light weapons, the Pinata has the highest burst DpS. -CRV Pin: 500M burst damage, short reload, nuff said. -Tulumbas: 2 CRVs in a single burst at the cost of a 50% longer reload. While it shines at 500M, poor folk can use them as an Orkan placeholder (more cover play is necessary) -ECC Thunder: A huge shotgun that does huge damage at 100M and under, reloads while firing...nuff said. -KwK448MM: Currently the highest DPS 1100M weapon, strap a couple onto a carnage, or 3 on a fury, and sink every mid-range bot you can spot, your teammates will thank you.
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Dec 28, 2016 0:26:54 GMT -5
yea.. @tinthefiend sums it up real well, if I were to add, I'd say cossacks for beacon capping, pattons for a lot of firepower
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Post by kchan4487 on Dec 28, 2016 0:40:46 GMT -5
I'm not the best at giving advice but I'll speak of what I've found to be effective. Plus what you find effective depends on your play style. As I see from your post, you seem to like weapons that allow you to knife fight. You're not too much into area control or mid range fighting, and the weapons you find useless reflects this. The weapons you mention aren't ones which you use to attack an enemy by yourself. But are better for tactical situations
I started piloting a quad CRV pin Patton and found myself to be quite more effective than when using a quad pinata Patton. The range and splash is great, and short cool down. An enemy hiding to close to the corner if the building receivesa lot of damage, making it great against corner shooters. It does involve fire and hide tactics though. This lets you whittle down a hiding enemy's health as a knife fighter comrade approaches and takes the kill (you may get it yourself though with a well timed shot). This ensures that your comrades have the advantage in knife fights due to health discrepancies when they engage.
I actually also found spirals useful when used in quad at mid range. The Aphid actually gives up nearly half the range of the spiral. With a quad spiral Patton, I've been able to help my teammates more with territory control since I cover a lot of area (600m radius). So I can stay in 1 spot and snipe hidden enemies. If you understand how the rockets take flight, it's easy to make them go around cover and hit a hiding enemy. I use a target lock (it's disabled by default, you have to turn it in the settings). Not sure if you know what that is, but with that, I can make the Spiral rockets do near 90 degree turns to hit opponents behind cover. For example getting a quad Spiral Patton in the center beacon of Yamantau map is a go9d example of area control. You may not be able to get a lot of kills, but you're hitting enemies for a around half the damage of aphids at twice the range. In multiple cases this has proven to be the difference in comrades winning knife fights since you can help from farther away. I actually had games where I was the biggest damage dealer but had zero kills.
As mentioned prior, the KwM is the best sniper weapon for now. But it's not as effective when used in isolation. Best paired as part of a battery/artillery while others knife fight for you. I have had good effectivity using a Tulum-Pin-KwM Golem in specific situations, but it's not an all rounder unit. It's at best a secondary support. Soften up enemies before your front line troops arrive so they have an easier battle. It helps get the win, but you don't get as high rewards as other builds.
It's a personal thing, but I don't measure weapon or build effectivity as having the best score in the game. I could have had the lowest score but still be effective. Seeing a teammate fighting an enemy, your couple of KwM+Pins shot may have spelled the difference between your teammate's winning that knife fight, hence two of you living. You having shorter range may mean your teammate dead and you receiving damage from the enemy , which puts you at a disadvantage.
Of course my experience is from Bronze. I think I'm somewhere between mid Bronze to low silver since I've been seeing quite a number of Gareths and Stalkers every few games.
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Post by JstKnwImThad on Dec 28, 2016 1:12:28 GMT -5
Almost all of us here would agree that thunders and pinatas are the best Ag weapons in terms of viability, and I would happily pay Au for them. CRV pins and tulumbas are quite effective mid range weapons. As you progress into higher tiers, getting a griffin is a good idea as it's arguably the best Ag bot. I would advise you to spend Ag wisely as upgrade costs will increase at a faster rate compared to the rate of Ag earned in battle down the road.
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 28, 2016 10:32:28 GMT -5
Interesting. Yes, so far I found knife fighting most interesting, but I also haven't found the right weapon combination for area control. Tried it a few times, but as I have few other sniper weapons my bot wasn't that efficient. Didn't realize the potential of the KWK, maybe I'll find the time to upgrade one or two to reasonable levels...
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 28, 2016 12:38:53 GMT -5
Believe it or not KWK's are better than Trebuchets and Kang Dae's. Used in gold tier primarily for taking out Trident users.
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Post by Dredd77 on Dec 28, 2016 13:58:00 GMT -5
Excellent writeup overall, @tinthefiend. Wanted to add a touch to these two, since they are the two most recent additions to my rotation.
Golem - I run one of these in the "Death Button" configuration, which means an Orkan, Pinata, and Thunder. And it's a brutal killing machine at closer ranges (<350m) that can stand up to some hits. I was skeptical on the Golem at first, but this guy's part of the permanent squad for me now here in Bronze.
Boa: I've just added a Taran/ThunderBoa, haven't played it enough to get a good feel for it yet but it can definitely soak up tons of damage. Also very strong at the closer ranges
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Dec 28, 2016 15:02:26 GMT -5
A well-piloted Pinata Patton is a very effective knife-fighter (KF), although the CRV Pin Patton is good too.
Griffin is the best Ag robot, but doesn't I don't think it truly shines until it is upgraded to level 9 for max speed. Otherwise it is a big slow target.
Thunder Pinata Leo is the best Ag KF, as Strayed as pointed out elsewhere and I found out to my own chagrin under the center beacon on the Canyon map.
Add another vote for the Boa. That thing is such a workhorse!!
I see a lot of Golems used but I never used one so I cannot attest to their effectiveness. They seem to die too easily. I would rather have a Boa.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 28, 2016 15:05:32 GMT -5
Griffin is the best Ag robot, but doesn't I don't think it truly shines until it is upgraded to level 9 for max speed. imo the griffin is always slow regardless of level, and it will always be glassy, but the jump will always make it an excellent bot .
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Post by jazzykat on Dec 28, 2016 15:10:11 GMT -5
I use both rocket Golem and Thunder/Orkan Boa at 8/8 (well I just removed my golem for a death button) while running 6/8 heavies. The Golem shines in being an absolute 「wee-wee」 running speedily around the map and shooting rockets in the open and from around corners. The Boa is incredible I am still running it. It almost never loses its weapons and I cap on average 1.5 beacons/per game with it. Then I go sit around the corner from one and wait for someone to walk into a stream of Orkan rounds.
When I get a Griffin to level 9 I'll let everyone know what Ii think because it's speed right now (level 6) is sad.
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 28, 2016 15:18:37 GMT -5
I use both rocket Golem and Thunder/Orkan Boa at 8/8 (well I just removed my golem for a death button) while running 6/8 heavies. The Golem shines in being an absolute ?wee-wee? running speedily around the map and shooting rockets in the open and from around corners. The Boa is incredible I am still running it. It almost never loses its weapons and I cap on average 1.5 beacons/per game with it. Then I go sit around the corner from one and wait for someone to walk into a stream of Orkan rounds. When I get a Griffin to level 9 I'll let everyone know what Ii think because it's speed right now (level 6) is sad. Keep upgrading that Griffin. They are beasts at max speed.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 28, 2016 19:45:50 GMT -5
Never compare spirals to aphids. Aphids are so far ahead of spirals, the spirals think they're in first.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 0:05:56 GMT -5
Excellent writeup overall, @tinthefiend. Wanted to add a touch to these two, since they are the two most recent additions to my rotation.
Golem - I run one of these in the "Death Button" configuration, which means an Orkan, Pinata, and Thunder. And it's a brutal killing machine at closer ranges (<350m) that can stand up to some hits. I was skeptical on the Golem at first, but this guy's part of the permanent squad for me now here in Bronze.
Boa: I've just added a Taran/ThunderBoa, haven't played it enough to get a good feel for it yet but it can definitely soak up tons of damage. Also very strong at the closer ranges
The truest thing that's been said about the golem and boa is such: If you die without accomplishing anything in a Golem, Swap it's weapons to a Boa. However, if you live forever in your Boa, capitalize on the third hardpoint of the Golem instead.
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Post by Strayed on Dec 29, 2016 0:27:48 GMT -5
My tip for using the golem orkan pinata, flank and/or attack from behind when possible if you're mobile. If there's cover, hide behind the corner like a gold tier Death Button.
These are two games that I recorded with it, not my 800k games though. (I was trying out the cossack's speed "nerf" in the bottom one, it used to go 51 or 53 km/h at level 2)
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Post by Curry Pot on Dec 29, 2016 0:34:56 GMT -5
OMFGWTFBBQ FOUR SLOTS? HERESY!!! lol
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 29, 2016 0:35:34 GMT -5
My tip for using the golem orkan pinata, flank and/or attack from behind when possible if you're mobile. If there's cover, hide behind the corner like a gold tier Death Button. These are two games that I recorded with it, not my 800k games though. (I was trying out the cossack's speed "nerf" in the bottom one, it used to go 51 or 53 km/h at level 2) subbed even if you dont make videos XD
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 0:36:35 GMT -5
OMFGWTFBBQ FOUR SLOTS? HERESY!!! Strayed was originally IoS, he only came to android a few months ago lol
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Post by Strayed on Dec 29, 2016 0:52:34 GMT -5
Those videos were pretty old too. Also, how would I record on iOS with bandicam? Lol
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Post by kchan4487 on Dec 29, 2016 1:32:18 GMT -5
My tip for using the golem orkan pinata, flank and/or attack from behind when possible if you're mobile. If there's cover, hide behind the corner like a gold tier Death Button. These are two games that I recorded with it, not my 800k games though. (I was trying out the cossack's speed "nerf" in the bottom one, it used to go 51 or 53 km/h at level 2) Interesting. I'll try that out. Running two Boas is pretty boring. Lol. I'll replace my Orkan Boa with that thing.
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Post by RightOn on Dec 29, 2016 1:51:54 GMT -5
ECU - mostly worthless unless you are a strange player D+
Punishers - pretty good but outclassed by Mags for close range B-
Molots - longest range medium hardpoint, outclassed by punishers inside 500M (DPM) C+
Thunder - really strong and really short range heavy A++
KwK - mostly good sniping option on a budget, not good against energy shield B-
Kang Dae - OK sniping option but KwK has better dps sounds cool B-
Zenit - Turd F Noricum - Turd F
Pins and Pinatas (tulumbas) - necessary for many builds A++
so yeah, only rockets and the shotgun are even necessary, but check out the KwK or KD, and dont be shy to use punishers if you have to
For Bots:
Griffin A- Boa B Patton B- Leo B- Golem C+ Vityaz C-
you really cant go wrong with any of these if you arm them correctly
Cossack is a skill bot. Shutze is 'newb' bot, good for a bit but outclassed later. Destrier is a tutorial bot. I should level a 12 Destrier to troll people...
did I forget any?
oh yeah Tasha LOL high damage medium or longe range option, just be aware this is not really a melee bot! its more of a relax and sip a cup of coffee while my treb gekkos charge kind of bot... alll jokes aside up to you if you like Natasha, some people swear by Tridents and Pins
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Post by Strayed on Dec 29, 2016 15:15:21 GMT -5
Griffin should be A++, it is the only ag bot that is viable in the higher tiers. Even then, it is able to compete with premium bots such as the lancelot and the rhino.
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 29, 2016 15:56:51 GMT -5
Griffin should be A++, it is the only ag bot that is viable in the higher tiers. Even then, it is able to compete with premium bots such as the lancelot and the rhino. Yep. Patton Aphids and Leo Ancile/Aphids aren't bad silver robot setups as well.
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