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Post by Fredrick on Dec 27, 2016 15:58:21 GMT -5
The galahad is a no brainer - what should I get after that? I have 36,000 WSP and 1000 gold.  |
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Post by Flukey*Lukey on Dec 27, 2016 17:04:47 GMT -5
You are currently in low silver which means you should bring all your bots up to 4/8. In low silver you don't really need a midranger to do well, only weaken gepards so I would say get rid of either your trident golem or pin Patton and replace it with a fast beacon capper, either Cossack or if you don't mind staying in low silver for a while then I would say get a gepard as it is the best bot their currently, however there will be a new matchmaker in january/february so you may want to hold off on that purchase for now that con go to 4/10,11 or 12
If you want to get to high silver soon then you will need some griffins/leos/boas as well as lots of plasma and gold weapons (orkans mainly but also aphids) first
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 27, 2016 20:38:29 GMT -5
You'll need a Griffin with Orkans/Pinatas or Taran/Magnums.
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Post by Fredrick on Dec 27, 2016 20:57:26 GMT -5
You are currently in low silver which means you should bring all your bots up to 4/8. In low silver you don't really need a midranger to do well, only weaken gepards so I would say get rid of either your trident golem or pin Patton and replace it with a fast beacon capper, either Cossack or if you don't mind staying in low silver for a while then I would say get a gepard as it is the best bot their currently, however there will be a new matchmaker in january/february so you may want to hold off on that purchase for now that con go to 4/10,11 or 12 If you want to get to high silver soon then you will need some griffins/leos/boas as well as lots of plasma and gold weapons (orkans mainly but also aphids) first Ok. So I guess I'm a little confused... Could someone please explain the difference in leveling all my bots to lvl 4 vs just leaving them and upgrading my weapons? I realize the obvious outcome of less health/speed but why is it necessary to make them lvl 4? Wouldn't MM factor in my higher level weapons just the same? I'd like to be in high silver with my boa (x2), then Carnage, Galahad, Griffin? What levels of bots and weapons am I shooting for? Thanks! |
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Post by JstKnwImThad on Dec 27, 2016 21:02:49 GMT -5
Optimize your hangar for your current tier by getting your levels to 4:8. I'd get tarans and save for orkans to equip on heavy bots perhaps griffin, rhino or lancelot. It's good do long term planning. You could start saving for the building of a trident fury which is an excellent mid range bot in higher tiers.
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Post by Fredrick on Dec 27, 2016 21:41:44 GMT -5
Ok so consensus is level all medium bots to lvl 4.
What is the max level for the galahad (or carnage) and and max level for weapons without pushing me up a tier? I know both have penalties.
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 27, 2016 23:04:54 GMT -5
Ok so consensus is level all medium bots to lvl 4. What is the max level for the galahad (or carnage) and and max level for weapons without pushing me up a tier? I know both have penalties. 4/9 is the tops for silver. |
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Post by Flukey*Lukey on Dec 28, 2016 4:39:25 GMT -5
The carnage and galahad will both be to under levelled to work well in low silver so you will want to get them to lvl 6 for high silver. Your boas will also want to be upgraded to level 6 for high silver + any other bots not already lvl 6. If you go 4/8 then you will not be affected by a high win percentage and weapons will transfer easily on to high silver as6/8
Hope this makes sense
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Post by Fredrick on Dec 28, 2016 7:49:48 GMT -5
The carnage and galahad will both be to under levelled to work well in low silver so you will want to get them to lvl 6 for high silver. Your boas will also want to be upgraded to level 6 for high silver + any other bots not already lvl 6. If you go 4/8 then you will not be affected by a high win percentage and weapons will transfer easily on to high silver as6/8 Hope this makes sense Ok - I guess I was under the impression that carnage and galahad would push my hangar higher since they are a WSP and brit bot respectively. Leveling all my bots the same (Level 6) does not compute since the WSP and britbot will be seen at a higher level by MM. Leveling is easy when it is all standard bots but when others are mixed in is seems to get convoluted. But maybe I'm wrong and it is as simple and straightforward as leveling them all to 6/8... Help?! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 8:02:53 GMT -5
Ok so consensus is level all medium bots to lvl 4. What is the max level for the galahad (or carnage) and and max level for weapons without pushing me up a tier? I know both have penalties. 4/9 is the tops for silver. We probably have different perceptions of tiers, but this is how I see it: Low silver: Mediums 4/9, Lights 4/12. Heavies? I dunno, I've never been able to get any heavy into low silver, though I've faced plenty. Probably win% making MM play a trick on me. High silver: On my secondary account, I run a 8/8 gareth, 7/8 galahads and 6/7 heavies. This is with a <90% win rate. As soon as I get >=90% win rate, I invariably face 10/10 heavies.
Again, my terminology may be different from yours.
OP: Agree that you don't need midrange in low silver. However with a five-slot hangar, I see no need to change it. Splash isn't required (or even effective) until you hit gold (around 7/9). Your upgrade order should be something like 1) Bots -> 4 2) Weapons -> 9 3) Bots -> 7 4) At this point (at the latest!) you will want to start replacing all the bots in your hangar for something more effective, e.g. Galahads, Griffins, Rhinos.
Note that the MM changes scheduled for late January/early February will change most of this anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 8:26:37 GMT -5
4/8 is safe in silver, and so is 3/9, so you could carry on upgrading your weapons to reuse in "low Gold".
Your Golem is a classic setup, perfect for Canyon, Spring, Yam, and you can take those weapons up to L8/9 and reuse all of them to the top of Gold.
Carnage and Gal will push you up into "high silver - Low Gold" but having found this forum you'll have read that this is very flaky.
Both of these become really effective once upgraded to L7ish, which is low gold. Below that, I'm not so sure, some of the other pilots have a view on that.
Roughly speaking,you're absolutely right, you can't just level all mechs to L6, WSP and Britbots in particular need to be 1 level at least below the others.
And Light can be 2 levels higher than the Heavy, Medium should be 1 level higher, etc.
Nice to see no Geps....
Looks like you're mostly short and medium range, so avoid the Fury, Nat, you'll get frustrated by how slow they are.
Griffin is still very popular in Gold, with Rockets, Missiles or plasma.
Most Patton you see above mid silver are Aphid Pattons, which are very effective (gritted teeth).
Depending on your win percentage, you may end up in some pretty shattering battles. There will be a few 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 moments.
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Post by Fredrick on Dec 28, 2016 10:18:12 GMT -5
4/9 is the tops for silver. We probably have different perceptions of tiers, but this is how I see it: Low silver: Mediums 4/9, Lights 4/12. Heavies? I dunno, I've never been able to get any heavy into low silver, though I've faced plenty. Probably win% making MM play a trick on me. High silver: On my secondary account, I run a 8/8 gareth, 7/8 galahads and 6/7 heavies. This is with a <90% win rate. As soon as I get >=90% win rate, I invariably face 10/10 heavies.
Again, my terminology may be different from yours.
OP: Agree that you don't need midrange in low silver. However with a five-slot hangar, I see no need to change it. Splash isn't required (or even effective) until you hit gold (around 7/9). Your upgrade order should be something like 1) Bots -> 4 2) Weapons -> 9 3) Bots -> 7 4) At this point (at the latest!) you will want to start replacing all the bots in your hangar for something more effective, e.g. Galahads, Griffins, Rhinos.
Note that the MM changes scheduled for late January/early February will change most of this anyway.
I like how you outlined the process - This helps a lot! One question - when to buy bots? I'd like to buy a WSP bot. |
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Post by Fredrick on Dec 28, 2016 10:25:22 GMT -5
4/8 is safe in silver, and so is 3/9, so you could carry on upgrading your weapons to reuse in "low Gold". Your Golem is a classic setup, perfect for Canyon, Spring, Yam, and you can take those weapons up to L8/9 and reuse all of them to the top of Gold. Carnage and Gal will push you up into "high silver - Low Gold" but having found this forum you'll have read that this is very flaky. Both of these become really effective once upgraded to L7ish, which is low gold. Below that, I'm not so sure, some of the other pilots have a view on that. Roughly speaking,you're absolutely right, you can't just level all mechs to L6, WSP and Britbots in particular need to be 1 level at least below the others. And Light can be 2 levels higher than the Heavy, Medium should be 1 level higher, etc. Nice to see no Geps.... Looks like you're mostly short and medium range, so avoid the Fury, Nat, you'll get frustrated by how slow they are. Griffin is still very popular in Gold, with Rockets, Missiles or plasma. Most Patton you see above mid silver are Aphid Pattons, which are very effective (gritted teeth). Depending on your win percentage, you may end up in some pretty shattering battles. There will be a few 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 moments. I honestly can say I've thought about the gep but I can't stand them on the battlefield - I would feel like such a hypocrite. From what I read - they are not effective in higher tiers. I don't want throw away bots especially gold throw away bots. Thanks to this forum I avoided this disaster - This was my hangar only a couple months ago... Yikes! That win rate should have been lower...  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 11:18:41 GMT -5
I like how you outlined the process - This helps a lot! One question - when to buy bots? I'd like to buy a WSP bot. You have enough WSP for a Rhino and 3 Tarans. I'd suggest that you replace both Pattons (2 mid range is excessive, esp. in silver) with a plasma Galahad and a plasma Rhino. Tbh, I'm not sure how that will affect your tier, it may kick you up to high silver (galahad did that for me), but honestly high silver is easy when you have shield. If you don't have the 2500 gold for a Galahad yet, start by replacing your mag patton with the Rhino. If that leads to high silver and you don't feel ready for it, put the Rhino in storage while you level it to at least 4/6, potentially 6/7. Just make sure that you keep you levels fairly equal, with heavy bots a bit below mediums (so no 8/9 heavies with 6/7 mediums).
Additional thoughts on WSP bots: Rhino is imo the best wsp bot and the only one that is competitive for gold. I know other players are very fond of the Carnage and it is powerful if played right. But the Raijin, Fujin and Stalker have very limited use and the pilots that use them in top tier tend to perform below average. (No offense to anyone, just how I see it - I don't see any of these in any hangar with high average / top damage and/or win percentage). No reason to get more than one Rhino as Griffins are at least equally good at high levels.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 11:42:20 GMT -5
Oh, one final thought.
Get yourself on Test, and try out the bots first before you buy.
It's useful, and Pix will give you a couple of days Premium for filling out the feedback.
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