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Post by stygianumbra on Jun 30, 2017 14:56:17 GMT -5
It goes from diversity of bots to just 3 used at the top, lame, boring, bland, junk.
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 30, 2017 18:27:37 GMT -5
That's the problem with "meta-games." This is why I am finding out the limits of other Mecha. I plan on being the only Legendary player jumping like a ninja in my Rogatka ..
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Post by squatch on Jun 30, 2017 20:44:54 GMT -5
My thought exactly upper leagues are boring and way to predictable. Same bots same load outs and same players over and over again. ?
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Post by mechtout on Jun 30, 2017 20:47:28 GMT -5
Thats probably why pix loves to buff and nerf things. their way of keeping things fresh
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Post by T34 on Jun 30, 2017 21:37:49 GMT -5
Thats probably why pix loves to buff and nerf things. their way of keeping things fresh I don't think when Pix is buffing and nerfing things it has much consideration to the minority in the top leagues. Their changes are targeted at the masses probably in silver and gold. What happens at the top is a side effect. Only looking at it from a commercial perspective and not in a derogatory way for players at the top. Even the test server seems to adopt L8 config. That's where their market is. |
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Post by mech on Jun 30, 2017 21:46:27 GMT -5
Because the skill of players is refreshing. Because it is a challenge to survive, to win against the best of players.
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Post by T34 on Jun 30, 2017 22:08:02 GMT -5
It goes from diversity of bots to just 3 used at the top, lame, boring, bland, junk. Being a retired athlete (competed successfully at the highest level) the top end is usually very similar in going ons even in sports. It's just who executes the the limited approaches the most optimal way and who is the most fortunate at the time is the winner. All involved need to have the best equipment, fitness, technique........ to qualify for the top but that marginal difference is what it is all about and that's why it iis also very upsetting when things don't turn out the right way. If if you thrive on pulling off wins at the edge than the top end is for you. There is a huge amount of satisfaction and pride in that. While this game is far more limited than human sports it still has elements of sports that appeal to many people. Eg the journey to get to the top and duke it out in marginal situations. could have thought about the above more and tried to express it better but I think the essence is there. |
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Post by mechtout on Jun 30, 2017 22:39:48 GMT -5
Thats probably why pix loves to buff and nerf things. their way of keeping things fresh I don't think when Pix is buffing and nerfing things it has much consideration to the minority in the top leagues. Their changes are targeted at the masses probably in silver and gold. What happens at the top is a side effect. Only looking at it from a commercial perspective and not in a derogatory way for players at the top. Even the test server seems to adopt L8 config. That's where their market is. i think anyone trying to climb the highest they can in leagues will be using the optimal line up, so not just the top get stagnant. |
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Post by T34 on Jun 30, 2017 22:59:53 GMT -5
I don't think when Pix is buffing and nerfing things it has much consideration to the minority in the top leagues. Their changes are targeted at the masses probably in silver and gold. What happens at the top is a side effect. Only looking at it from a commercial perspective and not in a derogatory way for players at the top. Even the test server seems to adopt L8 config. That's where their market is. i think anyone trying to climb the highest they can in leagues will be using the optimal line up, so not just the top get stagnant. Yes and no. In the top end the lance is awesome. In bronze two levelled plasma garies would be more successful than 5 l12 lances due to mobility. Gary is still a good bot in silver but in gold it starts to look forward to constant burst of tulus in the face from griffs. I know it has been a topic heavily discussed in other threads but in/after gold the Gary is no longer Seen as viable by many. So each tier has its optimal bot (for various reasons of course) and thus changes have different effects and outcomes across the tiers impacting on some more than others. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 23:03:27 GMT -5
Have fun and play what you want! What's more enjoyable? Jumpin' a crazy chicken with strong weapons around the field or planting Treb-x on the knoll? Play the game the way you like...the meta is only there for Pix to make $$$(which is A-OK). Win or lose, meh. Have fun and kick arse with what you run. Do you want to be the best? You decide what is the best for you. This isn't a true competition thanks to Elo. True comp is when we all drop with the same or similar equipment and the beast rises to the top, but wait, that's what the MM did before, but some people couldn't win, so we had to change it to make it fair, or to make more money for Pix (A-OK).
Play the GAME!
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Post by stygianumbra on Jul 1, 2017 16:02:36 GMT -5
Because the skill of players is refreshing. Because it is a challenge to survive, to win against the best of players. It was a challenge to survive and win against the best players in Mechwarrior 4 mercs with the mektek patch but you had more than 3 bots to do it with. Best of all it was freely developed and free to play just like free allegiance, both projects had far more work invested for FREE than this game.  Not like I don't do ok for very little squadding and no clan. The carnage is there for zeus test usually another db rhino or griff. It's just boring as every game is full of lances, griffs and furies. In one of very few configs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 17:33:17 GMT -5
Thats probably why pix loves to buff and nerf things. their way of keeping things fresh Pixonic rarely nerfs things. |
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Post by stygianumbra on Jul 1, 2017 17:45:25 GMT -5
Thats probably why pix loves to buff and nerf things. their way of keeping things fresh Pixonic rarely nerfs things. By buffing things you nerf other things ala britbots vs rockets or Rhinos which were not nerfed but because everything else got buffed they got nerfed by default. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 17:59:15 GMT -5
Why should you want? Maybe you shouldnt. To want should be up to you. What do you want and why? What is best for you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:11:01 GMT -5
Pixonic rarely nerfs things. By buffing things you nerf other things ala britbots vs rockets or Rhinos which were not nerfed but because everything else got buffed they got nerfed by default. That's called an indirect nerf. The nerf I'm talking about is a direct nerf, as in a reduction of damage, health etc. |
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Post by stygianumbra on Jul 1, 2017 18:17:03 GMT -5
By buffing things you nerf other things ala britbots vs rockets or Rhinos which were not nerfed but because everything else got buffed they got nerfed by default. That's called an indirect nerf. The nerf I'm talking about is a direct nerf, as in a reduction of damage, health etc. Ok, must get the nerfology correct lol. |
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Post by mechtout on Jul 2, 2017 9:21:06 GMT -5
Thats probably why pix loves to buff and nerf things. their way of keeping things fresh Pixonic rarely nerfs things. thought they nerfed the gep speed, rogs a while back, and buffed and nerfed aphids. but yes, they usually buff more than nerf. |
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Post by stygianumbra on Jul 2, 2017 11:25:07 GMT -5
Have fun and play what you want! What's more enjoyable? Jumpin' a crazy chicken with strong weapons around the field or planting Treb-x on the knoll? Play the game the way you like...the meta is only there for Pix to make $$$(which is A-OK). Win or lose, meh. Have fun and kick arse with what you run. Do you want to be the best? You decide what is the best for you. This isn't a true competition thanks to Elo. True comp is when we all drop with the same or similar equipment and the beast rises to the top, but wait, that's what the MM did before, but some people couldn't win, so we had to change it to make it fair, or to make more money for Pix (A-OK). Play the GAME! So you are totally ok with exploiting hunan psychology to make money, do you work for a corporation or something? Let's see in 10 to 15 years how spending large amounts of money on game addictions works out for society. www.psychguides.com/interact/the-psychology-of-freemium/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 13:58:18 GMT -5
Well, I hope everyone works for something...having work is a good thing(but no, I'm retired mil). The game exists for players to enjoy themselves and for Pix to make a profit. The exploitation of humans has existed since the beginning of time, nothing new here. I don't think War Robots is exploiting anyone. It is quite easy to be a competitive player with little to no out of pocket money spent. If a VR rating is what you're after, go get it. If you just want to play and fun, War Robots is a great game!
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Post by stygianumbra on Jul 2, 2017 21:49:56 GMT -5
Well, I hope everyone works for something...having work is a good thing(but no, I'm retired mil). The game exists for players to enjoy themselves and for Pix to make a profit. The exploitation of humans has existed since the beginning of time, nothing new here. I don't think War Robots is exploiting anyone. It is quite easy to be a competitive player with little to no out of pocket money spent. If a VR rating is what you're after, go get it. If you just want to play and fun, War Robots is a great game! From sugary snacks to gambling to shooting herion, freemium games exploit the same dopamine reaction. Gambling took a while to be recognized as a serious addiction, sugar lobbies are working very hard to keep that link on the DL and well we all know about addictive drugs. Freemium games are new enough that nobody has serious long term data but based on the revenue jump by orders of magnitude compared to games that were just as fun in years past I would be willing to wager it's not going to be good for the economic group that spends so much more in percentage of their income on freemium games. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 22:41:47 GMT -5
Survival of the fittest...but yes, addiction is a problem from that powerful war robot, to that strange plant, to that shiny rock, or that pretty human that caught your eye. Nothing new, just easier to survive in modern times than the past. Society decides how to take care of the socioeconomic group involved. Unconditional love, tough love, or something in between.
You have the power to tap.
Long term data, huh? Addiction exists regardless of revenue or any other external influences.
How is this new freemium addiction different than any other?
It is a fun game, play it playa!
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Post by stygianumbra on Jul 3, 2017 6:32:46 GMT -5
Survival of the fittest...but yes, addiction is a problem from that powerful war robot, to that strange plant, to that shiny rock, or that pretty human that caught your eye. Nothing new, just easier to survive in modern times than the past. Society decides how to take care of the socioeconomic group involved. Unconditional love, tough love, or something in between. You have the power to tap. Long term data, huh? Addiction exists regardless of revenue or any other external influences. How is this new freemium addiction different than any other? It is a fun game, play it playa! Risk and reward have nothing to do with interest in novelty which is another human trait. Modern times with all the personal data accumulated give these companies unprecedented abilities to addict players and make money like never before exploiting peoples psychology. I know of young kids who have stolen money to upgrade their mobile games. Just like a dealer the first hit is free except this is legal and kids are fair game. Regulations are required. |
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Post by piginapoke on Jul 3, 2017 7:09:05 GMT -5
Survival of the fittest...but yes, addiction is a problem from that powerful war robot, to that strange plant, to that shiny rock, or that pretty human that caught your eye. Nothing new, just easier to survive in modern times than the past. Society decides how to take care of the socioeconomic group involved. Unconditional love, tough love, or something in between. You have the power to tap. Long term data, huh? Addiction exists regardless of revenue or any other external influences. How is this new freemium addiction different than any other? It is a fun game, play it playa! Risk and reward have nothing to do with interest in novelty which is another human trait. Modern times with all the personal data accumulated give these companies unprecedented abilities to addict players and make money like never before exploiting peoples psychology. I know of young kids who have stolen money to upgrade their mobile games. Just like a dealer the first hit is free except this is legal and kids are fair game. Regulations are required. For that matter I know of young kids that stole money to buy sweets and toys. So, what should we do then? I think it is easier to blame corporations for our social breakdown than it is to look into ourselves for the faults. |
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Post by stygianumbra on Jul 3, 2017 10:58:26 GMT -5
Risk and reward have nothing to do with interest in novelty which is another human trait. Modern times with all the personal data accumulated give these companies unprecedented abilities to addict players and make money like never before exploiting peoples psychology. I know of young kids who have stolen money to upgrade their mobile games. Just like a dealer the first hit is free except this is legal and kids are fair game. Regulations are required. For that matter I know of young kids that stole money to buy sweets and toys. So, what should we do then? I think it is easier to blame corporations for our social breakdown than it is to look into ourselves for the faults. How often do kids steal over $100 for sweets and toys? It's easy to blame people for this behavior except when people promulgate the societal paridgm that causes the problem through apathy and acquiescence of the way society operates. It's always been that way as an excuse doesn't cut it. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 3, 2017 11:20:41 GMT -5
Damn... this got deep....
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Post by piginapoke on Jul 3, 2017 14:20:03 GMT -5
For that matter I know of young kids that stole money to buy sweets and toys. So, what should we do then? I think it is easier to blame corporations for our social breakdown than it is to look into ourselves for the faults. How often do kids steal over $100 for sweets and toys? It's easy to blame people for this behavior except when people promulgate the societal paridgm that causes the problem through apathy and acquiescence of the way society operates. It's always been that way as an excuse doesn't cut it. But in essence, stealing is stealing. You can make a distinction about the amount but you cannot make a distinction between the acts In both cases it is wrong. Any roads, if you want more regulation because others cannot control themselves then, ok. People will find something to get addicted to and the demand will create a supply. |
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Post by stygianumbra on Jul 3, 2017 19:41:17 GMT -5
How often do kids steal over $100 for sweets and toys? It's easy to blame people for this behavior except when people promulgate the societal paridgm that causes the problem through apathy and acquiescence of the way society operates. It's always been that way as an excuse doesn't cut it. But in essence, stealing is stealing. You can make a distinction about the amount but you cannot make a distinction between the acts In both cases it is wrong. Any roads, if you want more regulation because others cannot control themselves then, ok. People will find something to get addicted to and the demand will create a supply. So destructive habits shouldn't be discouraged? Smart. It has nothing to do with stealing it has to do with the act of manipulating people who may be on the fence to steal for their habit. These companies have found a way to extract more money than ever using all the resources that have broken everyone's s privacy to play you into paying far more than any of this game is worth. Since so many people here are happy to support screwing people I will just count you as part of the problem. |
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Post by mech on Jul 3, 2017 19:42:14 GMT -5
For that matter I know of young kids that stole money to buy sweets and toys. So, what should we do then? I think it is easier to blame corporations for our social breakdown than it is to look into ourselves for the faults. How often do kids steal over $100 for sweets and toys? It's easy to blame people for this behavior except when people promulgate the societal paridgm that causes the problem through apathy and acquiescence of the way society operates. It's always been that way as an excuse doesn't cut it. I did. People are to blame. I was to blame for the 「dookie」 I did. Letting people off the hook for their actions is the beginning of the end. |
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Post by mech on Jul 3, 2017 19:49:11 GMT -5
But in essence, stealing is stealing. You can make a distinction about the amount but you cannot make a distinction between the acts In both cases it is wrong. Any roads, if you want more regulation because others cannot control themselves then, ok. People will find something to get addicted to and the demand will create a supply. So destructive habits shouldn't be discouraged? Smart. It has nothing to do with stealing it has to do with the act of manipulating people who may be on the fence to steal for their habit. These companies have found a way to extract more money than ever using all the resources that have broken everyone's s privacy to play you into paying far more than any of this game is worth. Since so many people here are happy to support screwing people I will just count you as part of the problem. Who said destructive habits shouldn't be discouraged? You're the one blaming corporations rather than the destructive habits of individuals. You can't argue it both ways. Guess what? Stealing is a crime. Providing an entertainment option? Not a crime. You have a choice to be here. You have a choice to play War Robots. You have a choice to spend money or not on War Robots. Since you and many like you are happy to support that people have zero self-responsibility I will just count you as part of the problem. |
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Post by piginapoke on Jul 4, 2017 1:43:14 GMT -5
But in essence, stealing is stealing. You can make a distinction about the amount but you cannot make a distinction between the acts In both cases it is wrong. Any roads, if you want more regulation because others cannot control themselves then, ok. People will find something to get addicted to and the demand will create a supply. So destructive habits shouldn't be discouraged? Smart. It has nothing to do with stealing it has to do with the act of manipulating people who may be on the fence to steal for their habit. These companies have found a way to extract more money than ever using all the resources that have broken everyone's s privacy to play you into paying far more than any of this game is worth. Since so many people here are happy to support screwing people I will just count you as part of the problem. Nowhere did I say that destructive habits should not be discouraged. You read what your mind tells you to read it seems. I am smart enough to know what my limits are. Has somebody forced you to pay to play? You pay if you want to. If you cannot control your spending than that is a problem with you not with others. My cousin spends hundreds on DVDs because he likes Anime and Manga and old italian movies. Should the sale of DVDs be restricted to everyone just because my cousin cannot control himself? Children should be taught to be responsible by their peers. It is expected that normal adults are mature enough to have a measure of self-restraint and be responsibile for their actions - obviously you expect the authorities to hold us by the hand in whatever we do. Maybe you are a problem yourself. |
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