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Post by tonosama on Dec 27, 2016 0:23:10 GMT -5
At what level bot/weapon will medium bots become most effective in an all medium hangar?
More importantly, what level bot/weapon is the maximum before medium bots become outclassed by heavies?
Sometimes I see medium bots with weapons at 3 or 4 levels above. I'm wondering if the guideline that weapons should be 2 levels above the bots still applies. In preparing to transition from a light hangar, I'm leveling some mediums evenly and want to know when they are ready to replace my hangar. They are still not quite 3/5 yet.
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Dec 27, 2016 0:33:58 GMT -5
4/6 i think is border for mediums before heavies predominantly take over
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Post by Asturias on Dec 27, 2016 1:07:00 GMT -5
I'm running with 4/8. Low-Mid Silver.
Leos, Griffs and Natashas are really common at this tier but I don't feel "outclassed" by them in the least. My damage output and beacon count is definitely higher.
I suggest you run a Cossack and/or Gepard instead of an all-Medium hangar because Mediums are pretty slow at L4. Unless you're going 5 Rogs, ofc.
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Post by Trogon on Dec 27, 2016 9:44:46 GMT -5
I'm running with 4/8. Low-Mid Silver. Leos, Griffs and Natashas are really common at this tier but I don't feel "outclassed" by them in the least. My damage output and beacon count is definitely higher. I suggest you run a Cossack and/or Gepard instead of an all-Medium hangar because Mediums are pretty slow at L4. Unless you're going 5 Rogs, ofc. This is my experience as well. I'm often top damage with 4/8 mediums often facing leos, griffs and tashas. Occasionally see a galahad or rhino and even a lancelot once. Most of the heavies at this tier will have level 3-6 weapons, so level 8 weapons on the mediums compete very well.
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 27, 2016 9:47:35 GMT -5
4/9 is high silver for Mediums.
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Post by freerιde on Dec 27, 2016 16:22:57 GMT -5
So I just upgraded a few of my medium bots to level 5. Is this going to push me into a higher tier? My only heavy bot now is a level 6 griffin.
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 27, 2016 18:58:10 GMT -5
So I just upgraded a few of my medium bots to level 5. Is this going to push me into a higher tier? My only heavy bot now is a level 6 griffin. I think it might put you in low gold or very high silver.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 27, 2016 19:01:26 GMT -5
So I just upgraded a few of my medium bots to level 5. Is this going to push me into a higher tier? My only heavy bot now is a level 6 griffin. Weapon levels matter as well... Bot levels are only part of the equation. What is the highest bot level and weapon level in your hanger? (As it stands... the strongest bot/build determines your matches.
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Post by freerιde on Dec 27, 2016 20:44:52 GMT -5
Ah, that's right. I always forget it's only the top bot and weapon.
Level 6 griffin with level 7 Plasma is my highest and the I run level 5 mediums and a level 5 gep all with level 7 weapons.
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 27, 2016 20:50:04 GMT -5
I think for heavys the highest for silver is 4/6, can someone confirm this?
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Post by freerιde on Dec 27, 2016 21:31:06 GMT -5
Medium maybe but heavies start at level 6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 21:48:44 GMT -5
I'm running with 4/8. Low-Mid Silver. Leos, Griffs and Natashas are really common at this tier but I don't feel "outclassed" by them in the least. My damage output and beacon count is definitely higher. I suggest you run a Cossack and/or Gepard instead of an all-Medium hangar because Mediums are pretty slow at L4. Unless you're going 5 Rogs, ofc. This is my experience as well. I'm often top damage with 4/8 mediums often facing leos, griffs and tashas. Occasionally see a galahad or rhino and even a lancelot once. Most of the heavies at this tier will have level 3-6 weapons, so level 8 weapons on the mediums compete very well. I run a pair of 1/9 lights with three 4/6 mediums and the following is true: Leos, Griffs and Natashas are really common Stalkers are fairly common Fujins and Raijins are seen at least every other battle, sometimes multiples in a single battle Gareths and Carnages are uncommon, but occasionally seen Lancelots and Rhinos are fairly rare catching me a bit off guard when I've run into them Furys are white whales Admittedly I'm not very skilled at this game and I still don't get how the tiers work. I should be high bronze, yes? So, why so many WSP bots? Shouldn't they be silver only?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 28, 2016 4:45:05 GMT -5
4/9 is high silver for Mediums. 4/9 mediums is the cap for low silver.
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Post by Trogon on Dec 28, 2016 10:55:52 GMT -5
Admittedly I'm not very skilled at this game and I still don't get how the tiers work. I should be high bronze, yes? So, why so many WSP bots? Shouldn't they be silver only? From my experience, all the talk about tiers is just player shorthand for what seems to me a very fluid system (or maybe just one for which the exact parameters still elude us). There are others who have much more time spent analyzing the matchmaker than me, so this is just one player's impression after a few months of playing and reading various threads on the topic. The way I find it most helpful to think about it is that the tier designation gives you a rough approximation based on your strongest bot of what level of competition you are most likely to see. However, there are obviously other things at play besides a strict top bot score. For instance, some people have talked about specific levels of weapons bumping you up, even if your averages are still within what is assumed to be a specific tier. I believe I've seen this myself. When running my hangar of 2/5 lights, I upgraded one wep on one destrier to level 6 (the other was level 4, so it should have still been considered 2/5). I immediately started seeing high-bronze even low silver level of competition. Suddenly I was seeing half the enemy team be 6/3 and 6/4, even 6/5 heavies in every match. When I swapped out that level 6 weapon for a level 4, so no weapons in my hangar were above 5, the competition was back to the normal mid-bronze lights and mediums that I am used to with that hangar. Could have been just a fluke of the available matches at the time I was playing. Or maybe it was that level 6 weapon. Maybe your level 10 weapons are bumping you up or something like that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 11:31:46 GMT -5
Admittedly I'm not very skilled at this game and I still don't get how the tiers work. I should be high bronze, yes? So, why so many WSP bots? Shouldn't they be silver only? From my experience, all the talk about tiers is just player shorthand for what seems to me a very fluid system (or maybe just one for which the exact parameters still elude us). There are others who have much more time spent analyzing the matchmaker than me, so this is just one player's impression after a few months of playing and reading various threads on the topic. The way I find it most helpful to think about it is that the tier designation gives you a rough approximation based on your strongest bot of what level of competition you are most likely to see. However, there are obviously other things at play besides a strict top bot score. For instance, some people have talked about specific levels of weapons bumping you up, even if your averages are still within what is assumed to be a specific tier. I believe I've seen this myself. When running my hangar of 2/5 lights, I upgraded one wep on one destrier to level 6 (the other was level 4, so it should have still been considered 2/5). I immediately started seeing high-bronze even low silver level of competition. Suddenly I was seeing half the enemy team be 6/3 and 6/4, even 6/5 heavies in every match. When I swapped out that level 6 weapon for a level 4, so no weapons in my hangar were above 5, the competition was back to the normal mid-bronze lights and mediums that I am used to with that hangar. Could have been just a fluke of the available matches at the time I was playing. Or maybe it was that level 6 weapon. Maybe your level 10 weapons are bumping you up or something like that? I hadn't considered the weapon levels individually, as I was looking at the average of the combined weapons. This is all just for my edification, because I don't feel like I'm struggling with all the silver bots. I like to think I'm holding my own.
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Post by elttaes on Dec 28, 2016 11:50:29 GMT -5
Dasveen, if the upper limit on high bronze is 4/6 mediums, both of your Boas (just barely) exceed them, being 4/6.5 each.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 28, 2016 13:17:18 GMT -5
As I understand it, 6/8 is the border for HS/LG... but MM will continually mix in Gold players too... you may see 8/8 on down to 6/5 (from my experiences with both 6/8 and my current 6/8.5. Occasionally even 10/12s but that, thankfully, is rare. Gold is supposed to start around 6 or 7/9, but that is what many call "trash gold" and isn't that much different from HS. Again, as I understand it. I am not the tier guru by any means... but that is the tier I have been at the longest and have the most experience with. On average... both Blues and Reds range from level 25-ish on up to 30... with anything from crazy swiss army knife Leos to pimped out Lances and Griffs and Trident Furies. It's a good place to get your basics with heavies worked out. Just keep those weapon levels at 8 and heavies at 6 and you will prolly rack up a heck of a winning %. Once you start upgrading to 9, however, which will make the average 8.5-ish for a while as you do it... the competition will stiffen, but a top 3 finish will still be doable if you are competent with the weapons and bots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 13:36:09 GMT -5
Dasveen, if the upper limit on high bronze is 4/6 mediums, both of your Boas (just barely) exceed them, being 4/6.5 each. Just as an FYI - I ran them at 6/6 for a while and when I bumped one to 6/7 I ran that for a while. By a while I mean multiple days, so as to understand the real impact (some have noticed that the MM doesn't always pick up hanger changes immediately). There was 0 difference in the competition I faced. It just got a little easier to take another bot down. In fact every change I make is done with an item from inventory, so I can back it out. When I first moved my Boas from 1 to 2 there was an immediate difference, so I backed it out and make a couple of other changes first. Also, moving my Boas from 2 to 4 didn't seem to make any difference in my opponents either. Basically moving my Boas from a 2/6/6 status to a 4/6/7 status brought my win rate up, as my competition remained the same, but my bots had noticably more structure, speed, and a smidge more damage. So, yeah, technically 6.5, but so far, at least for me, .x weapon variations haven't made a difference. I expect a change at 4/7/7 for my Boas, but not sure if 5/6/7 would make any difference. I haven't decided if I want to test it, or wait a bit for some other items not in use that are being leveled and roll out my new bots (I've got enough for another WSP bot and 5500+ Au burning in my pocket).
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Post by tonosama on Dec 28, 2016 17:38:19 GMT -5
I'm running with 4/8. Low-Mid Silver. It's good to know that medium bots aren't obsolete quickly. I'll aim for 4/8. That was another question I was going to ask. I'll use one Shutze replaced with a Gepard later. Thanks much for the advice. Cheers
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