Butch or Doc?

Yes I personally agree with saving your gold for the new dash bots coming up. I've got Doc & Butch and a 「dookie」 ton of Jesse's from the last event. Personally fun to play with but not my style of play.

Although I do give credit to Docs I've encountered in the battlefield, some wielding Tulumbas & Tarans, while coming out of cover and en-route to you, Tulus fires away, at 350m they switch to Tarans and throw plasma in your face, damn good.

For Butch, huge ouch on maps like Yamantau, Springfield & Canyon 

danmarino

I've had both since the anniversary event and I agree it's a tough choice between the two. I lean slightly more towards the Doc for my own purposes, mainly because I'm running the 4xTulu setup instead of an RDB Griffin. In general I hate running the same setups as everyone else - I always try to pick setups to counter the current meta. The Tulus reload time on the Doc just match so well with the Docs 15 second gunslinger recharge. You don't have to even watch your weapon reload. Just empty whatever Tulus you have left and know that you've got fully reloaded Tulus once you swap over. However, the Doc is REEEALLY squishy. It seems like a good idea to run it with 4 Orks, but you often don't even get to shoot the second pair before you die. The Ork Doc is best run in support of an Ancile teammate. In support you can do stupid damage numbers, if you're LUCKY. Still yet to try the Tulu/Ork setup. I reckon I've had enough practise with Tulu Doc now to give it a shot!

I've tried various setups for my Butch, but I also keep coming back to 4xTrebs. It's just the smartest, as you can do a lot of unanswered damage. However, I t just takes forever to lvl up. I got my Trebs to lvl 5 before I swapped it out for another bot with more damage. Maybe you have more die hard patience than me. The only other possibility is really the Zeus/Trident combo. Start with Zeus and switch to Trident if they go around a corner or have a physical shield. However, you will do much more damage and last longer in the match with the mobility and Ancile of your Trident Carnage. This is not always a great thing. I have stayed in my Trident Carnage too long for many a match. At least with the midrange Butch dying sooner you don't stay in it too long, but that's not a compelling reason to use it over your Carnage.

I even tried the Trident/Thunder setup for fun. God I wanted that setup to work.... the temptation to use it as a Thunder Carnage is too great. Think of a Thunder Carnage that is even slower, has no rush, no Ancile, and looks like Michael Jordan hiding behind a white picket fence. The word absurd comes to mind. So does fragbait. Even if you resist the temptation to use it as a knife fighter, by the time the enemy gets close enough to flank you (the only serious reason for equipping the Thunders), you're too beat up from midrange exchange to have any meaningful effect with the Thunders, and the reds take you down in short order. Maybe if I get the bot to lvl 12 I'll try to force it to work again...

If you're really keen on a WW bot, may I ask, have you tried an Aphid Jesse? Think of an Aphid Patton that runs fast enough (max 64kph) to avoid other Aphid Pattons ANDt can cap beacons. It is also one of the shortest bots in the game and is safe behind a lot of low cover. In Expert League I'm all about scoring unanswered damage whenever I can, and the Aphid Jesse does this wonderfully from behind cover. Chubby Lancelots and RDB Griffins can't stand me! Definitely one of the most viable WW bot setups. But this is the pre dashbot era. Aphid users are gonna be hit hard by the dashbots...

Don't know if that helps. I think save for dashbots, but otherwise Doc before Butch. And don't get two Docs. Save the rest and grind for Butch in the future while you're having fun with your Doc.

The Debbie downer news is that neither is great. Rdb Griff is better than tulu doc. And the longer range options you already run are fine. I would save ip and au as the Korean bots will not suck. Pix isn't playing around with them imo.

But if choose u must, go Butch. Treb Butch or trident+Zeus Butch at least does things no other bot does. Doc just doesn't do anything that Griff won't do better.

Cheers.

I'd forget the Treb Butch - too much silver to level up and it's performance is iffy the high the skilled pilots you face (cause stupidity gives down and field awareness goes up the higher the experience level if your opponent). The new Scourge will also hit Fury, Tasha, Leo, and Doc mid/long range setups the hardest. Please note - long range will absolutely suck after the Scourge gets here AND beacon rush mode gets here --- and since the Butch only works well with quad Trebs.......

The Doc get very interesting if that 15% increase in Orkan power gets passed through. If that goes through, just 2 level 11 can kill a Galahad outright. That means that the 2nd set of weapons can be anything you want them to be cause all you need is something that dishes out 40K damage and you've got a package that kills all non-Ancile bots below 160K. How about Okr/Scourge combo when the new weapons shows up? For now, you can pair up the Orks with Punishers, Molots, or Tulus - personally, I like Tulus with the Orks, but I have a set of Molots ready in case the Scourge makes battle under 600m a pain.

If you have enought IP buy Wild Bunch bots(IMO if u like sniping buy Butch, but if u like brawling buy Doc), but if u don't have enought IP then save your golds untill dash bots comes.