jesseinator1000
Destrier
Posts: 45
Karma: 8
Pilot name: Jesseinator1000
Platform: iOS
Clan: Purity
League: Silver
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Gareth
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Post by jesseinator1000 on Jun 19, 2017 8:22:11 GMT -5
Before you call me a tanker, it isnt for grinding purposes. Everyone I fight is a higher level than me with better robots. I want to drop trophies to fight people on my level.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 19, 2017 8:30:50 GMT -5
Match after Match I see higher level folk and still do well. Don't tank. Take a step back and figure out what to do to help stay alive longer.
We all have to deal with it.
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Post by joshfishyu on Jun 19, 2017 9:00:50 GMT -5
Just playing the game, you will drop rank while learning some new tricks from higher level players.
Or you can experiment some new weapon setups, like hydra or punisher builds, your teammates will hate you though.
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 19, 2017 9:08:31 GMT -5
Just playing the game, you will drop rank while learning some new tricks from higher level players. Or you can experiment some new weapon setups, like hydra or punisher builds, your teammates will hate you though. I agree. A a good loadout is necessary. Hydra/Taran is also a good setup, from my experience - Good damage at multiple ranges.
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Jun 19, 2017 9:13:17 GMT -5
Don't go out of your way to lose trophies. You will win some and lose some. That is the way of the game. If you are really bent on a 12/12 hanger then you will either have to be spend your way or concentrate on 5 builds and play them for 4-5 months. Good Luck!
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Post by Poopface on Jun 19, 2017 9:20:29 GMT -5
To best hold your own vs people you're fighting, I'd recommend embracing the meta. Right now it's all about rockets (RDB for one) so immerse yourself in that.
In other words, don't do what I'm doing. I keep getting brilliant ideas of quirky things to try. They're interesting concepts to me, kinda odd, but often end up doing less than optimal damage. So don't do that.
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Post by shakingrabbit on Jun 19, 2017 9:35:15 GMT -5
I agree with playing your bots and learning how the upper leagues play IF those are the bots you currently wish to play. However if there are bots in your hangar that you WANT to play but are un(der)leveled and would put you at a significant disadvatage, I wouldn't hold it against you if you want to play them for the sheer fun factor.
I currently play with an all light bot hangar and am slowly climbing back up in leagues after dropping almost two leagues cause they were waaay underpowered.
Seriously, who cares what your teammates think, unless you are squadding or in a clan, not your fault the MM can't put you in an appropriate league, PLUS the MM will try to stabilize folks around 50% win rate anyways so they'll get a win sooner or later.
BUT it should be fun AND you should be trying or why bother playing at that point there are better ways to waste your time.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Jun 19, 2017 9:48:58 GMT -5
I try to be creative in my hangar when on a downward spiral. The worst thing to do is use the same hangar over and over and lose again and again. Insanity - doing the same thing over & over, while expecting a different result
Do Something Different To Expect Something Different!
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Post by procrastinatron on Jun 19, 2017 10:00:34 GMT -5
For the past few days ive been trying out campy setups for a change, to restore my interest in playing. Ive always envied those campers, sitting pretty on top of cliffs looking cool, taking potshots, staying alive, no care in the world. All the while im busy keeping beacons blue, reds dead, carefully creeping through alleys avoiding DBs and Aphid chuckers, breaking MRS and snipers LOS.
So i swapped some of my knifers with a hydra fujin, nashorn/gekko natty and zenit/nori natty. I decided to just carry the nashorn/gekko as my damage output was highest in that one, i dont have to move much, and i rarely die so why carry more than one.
Im pretty satisfied, now i can play War Robots with just 1 finger. After 2 days i noticed my win 8 battles task was still at 3/8 from the first day, and my opponents are significantly weaker. Voila, i dropped down 2 leagues without even intentionally tanking or fading.
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Post by Poopface on Jun 19, 2017 11:14:33 GMT -5
For the past few days ive been trying out campy setups for a change, to restore my interest in playing. Ive always envied those campers, sitting pretty on top of cliffs looking cool, taking potshots, staying alive, no care in the world. All the while im busy keeping beacons blue, reds dead, carefully creeping through alleys avoiding DBs and Aphid chuckers, breaking MRS and snipers LOS. So i swapped some of my knifers with a hydra fujin, nashorn/gekko natty and zenit/nori natty. I decided to just carry the nashorn/gekko as my damage output was highest in that one, i dont have to move much, and i rarely die so why carry more than one. Im pretty satisfied, now i can play War Robots with just 1 finger. After 2 days i noticed my win 8 battles task was still at 3/8 from the first day, and my opponents are significantly weaker. Voila, i dropped down 2 leagues without even intentionally tanking or fading. This is exactly why I started screwing around with a Spydra Griffin. It's fun screwing with people in matches. I also see it as a supreme compliment when someone starts coming to hunt me down: I've managed to get in someone's head.
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jesseinator1000
Destrier
Posts: 45
Karma: 8
Pilot name: Jesseinator1000
Platform: iOS
Clan: Purity
League: Silver
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Gareth
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Post by jesseinator1000 on Jun 19, 2017 11:36:34 GMT -5
For the past few days ive been trying out campy setups for a change, to restore my interest in playing. Ive always envied those campers, sitting pretty on top of cliffs looking cool, taking potshots, staying alive, no care in the world. All the while im busy keeping beacons blue, reds dead, carefully creeping through alleys avoiding DBs and Aphid chuckers, breaking MRS and snipers LOS. So i swapped some of my knifers with a hydra fujin, nashorn/gekko natty and zenit/nori natty. I decided to just carry the nashorn/gekko as my damage output was highest in that one, i dont have to move much, and i rarely die so why carry more than one. Im pretty satisfied, now i can play War Robots with just 1 finger. After 2 days i noticed my win 8 battles task was still at 3/8 from the first day, and my opponents are significantly weaker. Voila, i dropped down 2 leagues without even intentionally tanking or fading. Alright, camping and sniping it is. I will probably be hated for it, but its all fun and games after all.
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Post by critter667 on Jun 19, 2017 11:40:44 GMT -5
Play what you like and enjoy. Don't let the meta or league system control you. Eventually, your hangar will get where you need to be to make it all work.
Me... I could push I to a heavy meets hangar with fury, Lancelot,2 griffs, and a galahad, buy why?
I like my dual carnage hangar. I like my Gareth. League, why worry? I am doing well enough to enjoy
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Post by drake1588 on Jun 19, 2017 12:02:29 GMT -5
Something I've been doing as of late - mixing my hangar up with light bots to work on backpedaling and circular movement, experimenting with different load outs, and playing more defensively.
The jump from gold 1 to diamond 3 is immense on Android. Every time I've gotten into diamond lately, I switch it up and practice things instead of trying to grind away at the bottom of the tier. Also, most of my clan is silver/gold players, so dragging them up to diamond precludes me from squadding with any effectiveness since they're way underleveled for it and I am underleveled for it, so toiling away in diamond trying to hang on is just not worth it, nor fun.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 19, 2017 12:15:05 GMT -5
Nothing against you specifically OP, but I think your situation is a product of the MM system. The way points are distributed now hurts people of a certain play style. The more a player focuses on damage, the higher their league rating will go and the lower their win rate will go. The more a player focuses on beacons, the lower their league rating will go but the higher their win rate will go.
I would assume you have good average damage for your hangar strength, meaning you likely aim to kill as many people as you can. While this isn't necessarily a good or bad way to play, it puts you in a constant climb in league. Which leads to you being more and more outclassed.
As others suggested, a simple change in play style will likely do the trick. I'd suggest running an all light/medium hangar and run beacons. You'll naturally drop league ratings because of your low damage, probably while winning more often, and you'll refine some new skills along the way.
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Post by bronzeknee on Jun 19, 2017 12:43:06 GMT -5
Before you call me a tanker, it isnt for grinding purposes. Everyone I fight is a higher level than me with better robots. I want to drop trophies to fight people on my level. Player skill + equipment will inevitably lead to MMR rating. So if literally everyone you are fighting has higher level robots and weapons, then you are one of the best War Robots players and will be in Champions/Legends League when you get your robots and weapons above level 10. Right now you are facing people with higher level robots and weapons because they need that advantage to be even with you. So you already are facing people on your level (ie you have a 50% chance of winning versus them, despite their superior equipment). So if you want to drop down levels, you won't be facing people on your level, you'll be facing people a lot less skilled than you. Honestly, it seems cowardly to me if you are that good. Man up. And j ust imagine if people with more skill did that to you... then you'd complain about the exactly what you are complaining about now, when you are also part of the problem!
Finally, until you reach the very top, you are always going to face players with better equipment because of the variety of player skill at any given level. A player who isn't very good will still be leveling weapons and such, and thus you'll still be facing them. I faced a Fujin with triple Tarans before I even had access to the Workshop! If you want to play "fair" in terms of equipment then reach the top, but only the select few have the skills to get there. The vast majority of people will top out somewhere with 12/12 bots and weapons and be victims of people with level 8+ bots and weapons who are better players and climbing. And even in Legends League, you see players who don't have all their weapons or robots at level 12. For some reason, I don't think they come here are complain about it though. The matchmaking system is purely based on win and losses, like any other ELO system. I do focus on beacon capping and my League rating continues to climb and I continue to move up, despite me having a lower damage total. You get points for winning (or being one of the top on the losing team) and those points move you up or down Leagues.Winning Team Losing Team 1st: +5 1st: +1 2nd: +4 2nd: +0 3rd: +3 3rd: -3 4th: +2 4th: -4 5th: +1 5th: -5 6th: +0 6th: -6 MoC: +2
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Post by Russel on Jun 19, 2017 14:26:56 GMT -5
Before you call me a tanker, it isnt for grinding purposes. Everyone I fight is a higher level than me with better robots. I want to drop trophies to fight people on my level. Player skill + equipment will inevitably lead to MMR rating. So if literally everyone you are fighting has higher level robots and weapons, then you are one of the best War Robots players and will be in Champions/Legends League when you get your robots and weapons above level 10. Right now you are facing people with higher level robots and weapons because they need that advantage to be even with you. So you already are facing people on your level (ie you have a 50% chance of winning versus them, despite their superior equipment). So if you want to drop down levels, you won't be facing people on your level, you'll be facing people a lot less skilled than you. Honestly, it seems cowardly to me if you are that good. Man up. And j ust imagine if people with more skill did that to you... then you'd complain about the exactly what you are complaining about now, when you are also part of the problem!
Finally, until you reach the very top, you are always going to face players with better equipment because of the variety of player skill at any given level. A player who isn't very good will still be leveling weapons and such, and thus you'll still be facing them. I faced a Fujin with triple Tarans before I even had access to the Workshop! If you want to play "fair" in terms of equipment then reach the top, but only the select few have the skills to get there. The vast majority of people will top out somewhere with 12/12 bots and weapons and be victims of people with level 8+ bots and weapons who are better players and climbing. And even in Legends League, you see players who don't have all their weapons or robots at level 12. For some reason, I don't think they come here are complain about it though. The matchmaking system is purely based on win and losses, like any other ELO system. I do focus on beacon capping and my League rating continues to climb and I continue to move up, despite me having a lower damage total. You get points for winning (or being one of the top on the losing team) and those points move you up or down Leagues.Winning Team Losing Team 1st: +5 1st: +1 2nd: +4 2nd: +0 3rd: +3 3rd: -3 4th: +2 4th: -4 5th: +1 5th: -5 6th: +0 6th: -6 MoC: +2 Numbers are wrong, please go here for current numbers: warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Leagues
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inspirace
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Favorite robot: Rog, Griff, Carn, Doc, Rhino, Haechi, Kumiho, Bulgasari, Mender, Inquisitor, Spectre, Strider,
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Post by inspirace on Jun 19, 2017 14:32:53 GMT -5
change to a hanger beacon capper-heavy. if you win you will likely earn 5 golds (medal of capture) but not much league points, if you lose you will likely earn a great reward of -22
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 19, 2017 14:39:39 GMT -5
Before you call me a tanker, it isnt for grinding purposes. Everyone I fight is a higher level than me with better robots. I want to drop trophies to fight people on my level. Player skill + equipment will inevitably lead to MMR rating. So if literally everyone you are fighting has higher level robots and weapons, then you are one of the best War Robots players and will be in Champions/Legends League when you get your robots and weapons above level 10. Right now you are facing people with higher level robots and weapons because they need that advantage to be even with you. So you already are facing people on your level (ie you have a 50% chance of winning versus them, despite their superior equipment). So if you want to drop down levels, you won't be facing people on your level, you'll be facing people a lot less skilled than you. Honestly, it seems cowardly to me if you are that good. Man up. And j ust imagine if people with more skill did that to you... then you'd complain about the exactly what you are complaining about now, when you are also part of the problem!
Finally, until you reach the very top, you are always going to face players with better equipment because of the variety of player skill at any given level. A player who isn't very good will still be leveling weapons and such, and thus you'll still be facing them. I faced a Fujin with triple Tarans before I even had access to the Workshop! If you want to play "fair" in terms of equipment then reach the top, but only the select few have the skills to get there. The vast majority of people will top out somewhere with 12/12 bots and weapons and be victims of people with level 8+ bots and weapons who are better players and climbing. And even in Legends League, you see players who don't have all their weapons or robots at level 12. For some reason, I don't think they come here are complain about it though. The matchmaking system is purely based on win and losses, like any other ELO system. I do focus on beacon capping and my League rating continues to climb and I continue to move up, despite me having a lower damage total. You get points for winning (or being one of the top on the losing team) and those points move you up or down Leagues.Winning Team Losing Team 1st: +5 1st: +1 2nd: +4 2nd: +0 3rd: +3 3rd: -3 4th: +2 4th: -4 5th: +1 5th: -5 6th: +0 6th: -6 MoC: +2 Your numbers are wrong, which was pointed out above. You're also wrong in general. You do not have to be skilled at the game to climb leagues anymore. If you do nothing but focus on damage (completely ignoring beacons and not trying to make your bots last), you can consistently place top two in damage. The fact that you ignore everything but trying to get the most damage is the exact opposite of "being good". So doing so means you're bad at the game, but the MM pushes you higher and higher in ranking. Your concept applies to the old system, where winning move so you up and losing moves you down. In that case, if you won consistently more than you lost, you were clearly a positive member of your teams. And vice versa if you lost more often. Now, you can simulaneously be the reason your teams keep losing while also climbing higher and higher and facing even better competition. So I think it's a little bit of a reach to be calling this person a coward. The current matchmaker forces damage-focused play styles up until they're not only not as good as their competition but also outmatched by them.
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Post by miscanthus on Jun 19, 2017 14:49:09 GMT -5
Like others have said. Play what you want and you'll eventually get where your supposed to be. This is what I run and I enjoy my time playing.
Aphid Jesse Ork Rog DB Griff RDB Griff Zeus Carnage
The two Griffins are in the meta atm. The Rog and Carnage may or may not be meta bots. The Jesse definitely isn't, but man it looks cool!
All my bots/weapons are around levels 9 and 10. Most of my opponents are a higher level than me, but I still am able to contribute to my team. As long as you aren't vastly out leveled, skill can get you a long ways in this game.
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Jun 19, 2017 14:49:12 GMT -5
Player skill + equipment will inevitably lead to MMR rating. So if literally everyone you are fighting has higher level robots and weapons, then you are one of the best War Robots players and will be in Champions/Legends League when you get your robots and weapons above level 10. Right now you are facing people with higher level robots and weapons because they need that advantage to be even with you. So you already are facing people on your level (ie you have a 50% chance of winning versus them, despite their superior equipment). So if you want to drop down levels, you won't be facing people on your level, you'll be facing people a lot less skilled than you. Honestly, it seems cowardly to me if you are that good. Man up. And j ust imagine if people with more skill did that to you... then you'd complain about the exactly what you are complaining about now, when you are also part of the problem!
Finally, until you reach the very top, you are always going to face players with better equipment because of the variety of player skill at any given level. A player who isn't very good will still be leveling weapons and such, and thus you'll still be facing them. I faced a Fujin with triple Tarans before I even had access to the Workshop! If you want to play "fair" in terms of equipment then reach the top, but only the select few have the skills to get there. The vast majority of people will top out somewhere with 12/12 bots and weapons and be victims of people with level 8+ bots and weapons who are better players and climbing. And even in Legends League, you see players who don't have all their weapons or robots at level 12. For some reason, I don't think they come here are complain about it though. The matchmaking system is purely based on win and losses, like any other ELO system. I do focus on beacon capping and my League rating continues to climb and I continue to move up, despite me having a lower damage total. You get points for winning (or being one of the top on the losing team) and those points move you up or down Leagues.Winning Team Losing Team 1st: +5 1st: +1 2nd: +4 2nd: +0 3rd: +3 3rd: -3 4th: +2 4th: -4 5th: +1 5th: -5 6th: +0 6th: -6 MoC: +2 Your numbers are wrong, which was pointed out above. You're also wrong in general. You do not have to be skilled at the game to climb leagues anymore. If you do nothing but focus on damage (completely ignoring beacons and not trying to make your bots last), you can consistently place top two in damage. The fact that you ignore everything but trying to get the most damage is the exact opposite of "being good". So doing so means you're bad at the game, but the MM pushes you higher and higher in ranking. Your concept applies to the old system, where winning move so you up and losing moves you down. In that case, if you won consistently more than you lost, you were clearly a positive member of your teams. And vice versa if you lost more often. Now, you can simulaneously be the reason your teams keep losing while also climbing higher and higher and facing even better competition. So I think it's a little bit of a reach to be calling this person a coward. The current matchmaker forces damage-focused play styles up until they're not only not as good as their competition but also outmatched by them. Funny personal observation about this is though: focusing on damage leads you to wins more often than not.
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Post by bronzeknee on Jun 19, 2017 14:52:49 GMT -5
Player skill + equipment will inevitably lead to MMR rating. So if literally everyone you are fighting has higher level robots and weapons, then you are one of the best War Robots players and will be in Champions/Legends League when you get your robots and weapons above level 10. Right now you are facing people with higher level robots and weapons because they need that advantage to be even with you. So you already are facing people on your level (ie you have a 50% chance of winning versus them, despite their superior equipment). So if you want to drop down levels, you won't be facing people on your level, you'll be facing people a lot less skilled than you. Honestly, it seems cowardly to me if you are that good. Man up. And j ust imagine if people with more skill did that to you... then you'd complain about the exactly what you are complaining about now, when you are also part of the problem!
Finally, until you reach the very top, you are always going to face players with better equipment because of the variety of player skill at any given level. A player who isn't very good will still be leveling weapons and such, and thus you'll still be facing them. I faced a Fujin with triple Tarans before I even had access to the Workshop! If you want to play "fair" in terms of equipment then reach the top, but only the select few have the skills to get there. The vast majority of people will top out somewhere with 12/12 bots and weapons and be victims of people with level 8+ bots and weapons who are better players and climbing. And even in Legends League, you see players who don't have all their weapons or robots at level 12. For some reason, I don't think they come here are complain about it though. The matchmaking system is purely based on win and losses, like any other ELO system. I do focus on beacon capping and my League rating continues to climb and I continue to move up, despite me having a lower damage total. You get points for winning (or being one of the top on the losing team) and those points move you up or down Leagues.Winning Team Losing Team 1st: +5 1st: +1 2nd: +4 2nd: +0 3rd: +3 3rd: -3 4th: +2 4th: -4 5th: +1 5th: -5 6th: +0 6th: -6 MoC: +2 Your numbers are wrong, which was pointed out above. You're also wrong in general. You do not have to be skilled at the game to climb leagues anymore. If you do nothing but focus on damage (completely ignoring beacons and not trying to make your bots last), you can consistently place top two in damage. The fact that you ignore everything but trying to get the most damage is the exact opposite of "being good". So doing so means you're bad at the game, but the MM pushes you higher and higher in ranking. Your concept applies to the old system, where winning move so you up and losing moves you down. In that case, if you won consistently more than you lost, you were clearly a positive member of your teams. And vice versa if you lost more often. Now, you can simulaneously be the reason your teams keep losing while also climbing higher and higher and facing even better competition. So I think it's a little bit of a reach to be calling this person a coward. The current matchmaker forces damage-focused play styles up until they're not only not as good as their competition but also outmatched by them. My numbers were wrong, my mistake for using old numbers. My argument still stands though. Doing the most damage is fine, it is like getting the most kills in League of Legends. While the team with the most kills doesn't always win, it usually does. The team that does more damage more often than not defeats the team that did less damage, because doing more damage = more kills = more opportunities to control the map and capture beacons. We also have to remember the entire system is relative!Surely, you can ignore beacons completely and just deal maximum damage and climb. But at a certain you won't be doing the most damage anymore because you've climb so much and your MMR will stabilize. Then doing things like capturing beacons will help you winrate more. Let me explain with an example: Jim buys a five Lancelots and 10 Orkans when he reaches level 15 and throws the Orkans and 5 Thunders on his Lancelots. He also levels them heavily with Gold to level 8. Jim doesn't like to capture beacons so he just focus on doing damage and climbs rapidly. Eventually Jim reaches Diamond III where his damage is maybe a bit more than ordinary, but because he doesn't capture beacons, his team isn't winning as much. Thus, his MMR stabilizes. If Jim decides to start capturing beacons he will continue climbing, but otherwise will stay as his current level because he does a bit more damage than most players at that level, save the slight boost he'll get as he levels his weapons and robots more. Now the thing is we can reverse that situation! You can focus on beacon capturing and not damage and still climb, albeit not quite as fast with those numbers, because winning always improves your situation. And capturing beacons is the main the objective of the game.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 19, 2017 14:53:29 GMT -5
I know a solid strat for getting a thread locked...
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