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Post by todd74 on Jun 8, 2017 20:46:23 GMT -5
Hey I would love any and all advice on my hangar and what area I should be focusing on. I seem to be having some success and have good high damage games but would love any feedback. Attached is my current Bots/ Weapons and Gold / WSP levels. I was was thinking about saving for a Lancelot. Thanks Everyone
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Jun 8, 2017 21:20:39 GMT -5
Get galahad, then lancelot.
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Post by Strayed on Jun 8, 2017 21:27:50 GMT -5
Don't get the britbots(gareth, galahad, lancelot), way too many rockets at the moment for them to be viable.
Your hangar looks fine as-is. If your Rhino isn't working for you, you might want to replace it with a crv tulu griff, but other than that, you should focus on upgrading. You should convert those pinatas on that second taran griffin to magnums however.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 21:35:02 GMT -5
That's way too many Griffins . I would suggest making two Death Button Griffins and turning your Rhino into a Plasma one. You may want to get some Aphids to try out the Orkan Aphid or the Aphid Taran combo on your Griffins. Save your gold for a Galahad to replace the Rhino and keep your eyes on an Ancile Lancelot.
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jun 8, 2017 21:35:08 GMT -5
I'd advise you to join Nitro, we love forum members. Clan ID 34039. ...as far as you hangars concerned, as much as I love griffins, I would say that you need a capper and another mid-range. Maybe a plasma gary and a zues carney. Just my .02
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jun 8, 2017 21:36:30 GMT -5
if gold was an infinite resource then i'd say get an ancilot and replace your rhino with it, otherwise just follow Strayed's advice
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Post by BLYTHE on Jun 8, 2017 21:41:11 GMT -5
Decent hangar and damage output. Why not switch the mags on the rhino with the pinata on the 4th griff though? If you're planning on getting a Britbot, the only viable build would be an ancilot; the rest are too succeptible to rockets after the buff. Consider getting a premium account to get 50% more silver.--you're soon going to need a lot of it.
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Post by todd74 on Jun 8, 2017 21:47:34 GMT -5
Don't get the britbots(gareth, galahad, lancelot), way too many rockets at the moment for them to be viable. Your hangar looks fine as-is. If your Rhino isn't working for you, you might want to replace it with a crv tulu griff, but other than that, you should focus on upgrading. You should convert those pinatas on that second taran griffin to magnums however. thanks. I like the rhino for a beacon runner / beacon defender but wonder if it will hold up into higher tier
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Post by 3castle on Jun 8, 2017 21:48:06 GMT -5
i would rather have 2 db griffin and pdb rhino. also u should buy TT fury or ancilot (and yes, ancilot does work well against rockets in case u didnt know that)
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Post by todd74 on Jun 8, 2017 21:52:23 GMT -5
Decent hangar and damage output. Why not switch the mags on the rhino with the pinata on the 4th griff though? If you're planning on getting a Britbot, the only viable build would be an ancilot; the rest are too succeptible to rockets after the buff. Consider getting a premium account to get 50% more silver.--you're soon going to need a lot of it. Yeah maybe make my rhino a death button and take those mags and but them on my second Taran griffin .. I guess I just like to be able to have constant shooting with the shield up. I hated my rhino at first now like it as it's a good capper with some fire power and has decent speed to flank - when it's up against plasma anything it's deadly.
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Post by drake1588 on Jun 8, 2017 22:02:24 GMT -5
Definitely would not buy a Galahad. It and Rhino are comparable in this meta, and at least the rhino has more firepower and HP.
With the weapons you have already, an ancilot would be good if you can afford it, otherwise your hangar is totally fine and I'd just keep upgrading it. I'd make the rhino into a db or pdb and the Griff into the other. Mixing ranges on weapons is a hindrance to both.
Orkan Pinata Pinata Taran Taran
Is the upgrade order I'd use for the immediate future. If you want a change of pace, you could pick up a carnage and level it with thunders, but honestly that's just a side grade at this point.
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Post by todd74 on Jun 8, 2017 22:08:11 GMT -5
Does This Look Better ?
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Post by todd74 on Jun 8, 2017 22:17:35 GMT -5
Decent hangar and damage output. Why not switch the mags on the rhino with the pinata on the 4th griff though? If you're planning on getting a Britbot, the only viable build would be an ancilot; the rest are too succeptible to rockets after the buff. Consider getting a premium account to get 50% more silver.--you're soon going to need a lot of it. Thanks man
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Post by Dejnov on Jun 8, 2017 22:17:58 GMT -5
Does This Look Better ? Infinitely better and a hangar that is strong enough to be top tier. I would now spend time and money upgrading your weapons to 10-11 and bots to 9 for speed bump. After that slowly raise what you want. This is is a solid hangar and you don't have to change anything, unless you start getting bored... at which point you'll only have to raise one bot at a time. Dejnov
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 22:19:22 GMT -5
Needs paint jobs to tell those bad Boyz apart!
Seriously, I like the lineup. Would change out rhino for something. Thunder Carnage and Zeus Carnage come to mind. Or a Griff. Or save up for ancilot.
Cheers.
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Post by 0ppressor on Jun 8, 2017 22:49:05 GMT -5
Decent hangar and damage output. Why not switch the mags on the rhino with the pinata on the 4th griff though? If you're planning on getting a Britbot, the only viable build would be an ancilot; the rest are too succeptible to rockets after the buff. Consider getting a premium account to get 50% more silver.--you're soon going to need a lot of it. This. This right here. In case I've not made myself clear, DO THIS.
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Post by 0ppressor on Jun 8, 2017 23:10:02 GMT -5
That's way too many Griffins . I would suggest making two Death Button Griffins and turning your Rhino into a Plasma one. You may want to get some Aphids to try out the Orkan Aphid or the Aphid Taran combo on your Griffins. Save your gold for a Galahad to replace the Rhino and keep your eyes on an Ancile Lancelot. Never do this. Never put sustained fire medium weapons behind the shield of a Rhino. Especially at knife fighter ranges. It completely negates the ability to reuse the shield in combat. Use burst medium weapons so you can put your shield back up to soak up some damage with it.
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Post by Strayed on Jun 8, 2017 23:53:07 GMT -5
The plasma rhino was my favorite bot setup back when I played the game more actively. In my opinion, if you are using assault mode defensively instead of offensively, you are using your Rhino incorrectly. Yes, using the shield to exhaust a thunder clip is useful, but just tanking damage with the shield without a plan of counterattack is a waste of the shield. Assault mode should be used for offensive positioning, the speed allows you to pick and choose your battles while the shield allows you to close in without taking too much damage. Plasma is an excellent way to exploit these advantages due to its relatively high dps, high dpm, and higher effective range(about the same as punishers last I checked). This setup turns the Rhino into an excellent flanker. You're also able to better take out jumping bots such as the rdb griffin, the db griffin(if you know how to maintain your range), the rogatka in all its variations, etc. warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:I%27mWithTheGuyWithTheShirtThatSaysI%27mWithStupid/PDB_rhino_guideTo OP, I would recommend at least trying out the PDB Rhino to see if you like it. It's not quite as good at direct combat, but it's an excellent flanker if you can maintain your range against DBs while being able to destroy RDBs once you get close enough. I would recommend against ancilot as every RDB Griff and his grandmother is going to concentrate on you and that big blue glowing shield of yours. Ancilot = higher priority = focused fire in an atttempt to take it down before it can do serious damage.
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Post by snk on Jun 9, 2017 0:12:26 GMT -5
I like your hanger, I will get Ancilelot in your hanger as well. If you do that, don't upgrade the bots you are replacing. You can still upgrade the weapons Lancelot going to use. (Don't upgrade the 4th Griffin and its Magnum if that the bot is going to replaced by Ancilelot)
I like PDB Griffin, but having 2 is a bit too much. Having different type of bots lets you have choice in different situations.
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Post by 0ppressor on Jun 9, 2017 0:20:30 GMT -5
The plasma rhino was my favorite bot setup back when I played the game more actively. In my opinion, if you are using assault mode defensively instead of offensively, you are using your Rhino in correctly. Yes, using the shield to exhaust a thunder clip is useful, but just tanking damage with the shield without a plan of counterattack is a waste of the shield. Assault mode should be used for offensive positioning, the speed allows you to pick and choose your battles while the shield allows you to close in without taking too much damage. Plasma is an excellent way to exploit these advantages due to its relatively high dps, high dpm, and higher effective range(about the same as punishers last I checked). This setup turns the Rhino into an excellent flanker. You're also able to better take out jumping bots such as the rdb griffin, the db griffin(if you know how to maintain your range), the rogathka in all its variations, etc. warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:I%27mWithTheGuyWithTheShirtThatSaysI%27mWithStupid/PDB_rhino_guideTo OP, I would recommend at least trying out the PDB Rhino to see if you like it. It's not quite as good at direct combat, but it's an excellent flanker if you can maintain your range against DBs while being able to destroy RDBs once you get close enough. I would recommend against ancilot as every RDB Griff and his grandmother is going to concentrate on you and that big blue glowing shield of yours. Ancilot = higher priority = focused fire in an atttempt to take it down before it can do serious damage. Completely disagree with this. You will NOT be maintaing distance against ANYONE once you drop your (anchor) shield. You can flank and burst fire and then... raise shield and either reposition or absorb some fire on the shield while your burst (Tulumbas/Orkans) reload some more for a better 2nd burst. Or, now you can just keep firing (albeit slowly). You have zero need of plasma for this. Also, no one said that you should just sit there in Knife fighter range, pop up your shield, and go make coffee. You retain the ability to use your shield in combat, versus gawd help you if you do, because you're sustained fire weapons are now not doing jack squat, so you don't because you really can't. Ancilot is not a higher priority because every single red splash damage dealer will not want to be the one that blows their load on the ancile for no damage score. Especially if there's only a few. Why would they? They aren't going to break the ancile, it'll regen, and now they're a target because the ancilot is aware of them and their ineffective loadout. They will however jump in on a dog pile if there's quite a few. Every splash damage dealer WILL blow their load on a Rhino that can't do squat about it. Every. Single. One.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 1:16:08 GMT -5
Ancilots become more effective at higher levels, mainly because they can run in groups. Same with RDB Griffins and Tridents, otherwise a solo RDB will not be able to break thru an Ancilot's shield. At lower levels, RDB Griffin is fine since not many have Ancilot bots yet.
I would replace one of the plasma Griffins with a Galahad. It's a beacon runner, and it's got decent firepower. If you're careful, you can avoid 300m splash weapons, but 500+m rockets will most likely get you. If you're afraid of long range rockets, just drop this bot later since most bring theirs out first and then die in the first wave. During the previous rocket era, that's what everyone did (RDB and Tridents out first), and that's what I'm doing in this current rocket era so my Galahad is still very useful.
I think the first week after the update, everyone was running multiple long range builds, and that caught a lot of people by surprise. Now, it's kinda died down and I only see on average 1 long range per hanger, either 1 RDB or 1 Fury. Most people who have them, have put their Anciles back on their Lancelots and shifted their strategy and playstyle. Also I started seeing more hard counters to RDB Griffins like Trebs and Gekkos, so it's not as bad. The rock-paper-scissor is starting to settle down.
If you don't like the Galahad, then get one of the Britbots, something like a Lancelot if you plan to move into higher tiers. Gareth is a fun bot to use, and a great beacon capper. By the time you move up to Expert, everyone will be running more durable bots so you need something to match. I'm surprised you have 2 plasma Griffins. But otherwise, that's a good hanger and good damage for that level of hanger.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 6:30:19 GMT -5
Never do this. Never put sustained fire medium weapons behind the shield of a Rhino. Especially at knife fighter ranges. It completely negates the ability to reuse the shield in combat. Use burst medium weapons so you can put your shield back up to soak up some damage with it. The shield is a speed boost, not a shield. A Plasma Rhino will win against every enemy plasma build in a 1v1. Idealistically, the situation you describe above almost NEVER happens. You put the shield up, charge and then a Death Button Griffin jumps on you.
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Post by miscanthus on Jun 9, 2017 7:00:52 GMT -5
The revised hangar looks good. I'd eventually add a Carnage for some variety. You can't go wrong with either the Thunder or Zeus set ups.
I wouldn't purchase any Galahads/Garys right now. I have a couple I no longer keep in my hangar because of the rocket changes. Ancilots are still viable, but I personally wouldn't spent 8K gold on one.
Have fun with your current hangar and don't be afraid to experiment with other bots. Just keep in mind that the current meta will change and it's good to have options.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Jun 9, 2017 7:12:33 GMT -5
Not enough Griff in you hanger.
I'm one to talk.
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Post by 0ppressor on Jun 9, 2017 12:12:34 GMT -5
If one does not understand that the Rhino's shield can and sometimes is even beneficial to use in combat, then you really don't know how to play a Rhino and should not be giving advice to others about it.
There is more to the Rhino than "LEROY JEEEENKIIINNNNNSSSSSZZZZZZZZZ!!!1!!!!111!!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 13:23:21 GMT -5
I may not be a great Rhino pilot, but I have seen people pilot the Plasma Rhino that absolutely screwed me over. If there is a Rhino expert here, then it would be Strayed, and I wouldn't doubt what he says.
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Post by rustedscrap on Jun 9, 2017 13:27:56 GMT -5
Your hangar's boring mate. Get some paintjobs brah!
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Post by Strayed on Jun 9, 2017 14:36:38 GMT -5
If one does not understand that the Rhino's shield can and sometimes is even beneficial to use in combat, then you really don't know how to play a Rhino and should not be giving advice to others about it. There is more to the Rhino than "LEROY JEEEENKIIINNNNNSSSSSZZZZZZZZZ!!!1!!!!111!!" Yes, the shield can be beneficial to use in combat which is why I mentioned using it to exhaust a thunder clip. However, if you are just tanking damage with it without a plan to counterattack or if you are performing a long reload(more than 5 sec), then that is an absolute waste of the shield since you should not have gotten into that situation in the first place, and if you did, then you should've ejected unless you're trying to buy time. The Rhino's main power is its ability to pick and choose battles due to the combination of its shield and speed. The main thing that you are supposed to do as a Rhino is position yourself so that you can deal as much damage to the enemy team as possible. Notice how I said the plasma rhino is a better flanker than a head on attacker? Flanking is not leeroy jenkins'ing. In addition, the Rhino's main weakness was all the shield bots, now that most of them are off the field due to the poptarting RDB griffs, the Rhino is now much more effective. In addition, the sheer amount of rocketry on the field nowadays should render your shield irrelevant if you're trying to tank with it. If you want to tank, then get an ancilot. If you are using a db rhino, then you should still never have to tank with your shield, as if you do, you are either out of cqc rocketry's effective range(200m-ish) or you are close enough to the point where enemies can easily flank your shield. As db rhino, you should always erase your enemies' health with a full salvo and finish him off if necessary with a partial reload. Reloading while in an engagement is idiotic as the db rhino is not meant to fight multiple enemies at once, so you should always be trying to force a 1v1 with it. As for your statement about not knowing how to play a Rhino, back when I used to play on iOS, I used to be able to out damage maxed out players with a 7/9-10 multi-Rhino hangar(I have pics if you want them). Of course, my skill level has fallen since then as I don't play much anymore. I won't comment on the ancilot statement as I most likely have not seen as many as you may have, but from what I have seen of them, they are not worth the 6500 gold when every single poptart is concentrating on you. Typing this on mobile, so please excuse any typos.
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Post by 0ppressor on Jun 9, 2017 14:56:27 GMT -5
The Rhino is neither manueverable nor fast enough (at opposite times no less) to pick and choose fights anymore.
If it's only redeeming quality is to one shot some other bot in a blaze of glory, then that again illuminates it's current uselessness, as many other bots can do that too, much easier as well.
It's due to it's complete lack of speed once you drop (anchor) the shield that you might actually have to if not want to raise it again, because in a fluid battlefield, plans are rarely perfect.
This is where raising your shield again to absorb some invomming fire comes from.
I'll just stop now as we will continue to go in circles otherwise.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 9, 2017 15:48:40 GMT -5
Opinions on what is good and bad will differ as much as the Mail.ru era metas will, from now on. Rhinos are better now that the Brits are declining. A good Rhino pilot can damn well pick and choose their battles. I have seen it and, occasionally, done it... but a good Griff pilot can, too. It's as much about preference as anything, since I will do my damnedest to be good at what I... wait for it.... prefer. Consequently, if I don't like a bot, I am loathe to load it up and get good, and all I can say about it is what i don't like ... which is usually only because I didn't take the time to get good with it.
Then again, maybe we are all wrong and the only good bot... is a dead bot.
Either way, OP, you are fine with that hangar. Ancilot may or may not help you... I have mixed results with it. The games are so varied now that I just play whatever I feel like playing, and whatever builds sound good at the time. Your stats are proof that you don't need tons of advice, just suggestions, and this thread will deffo help you there.
FWIW.... I agree with the "upgrade what you got" idea, for now.
My 0.02
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