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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 13, 2016 22:47:04 GMT -5
Anyone else wonder whether plasma becomes altogether obsolete in gold ? I notice that my hangar's containing fewer energy weapons than before and more rockets/guns to counter shield bots and take advantage of recent buffs. Even ancile shields can be countered by staggering fire.
So how does Pix 'germinate' plasma or do they simply become a silver-tier weapon? In which case, there's little reason to upgrade past 9/10 then; instead, the silver would be of better use on upgrading non energy weapons. Thoughts?
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Post by B30RLL on Dec 13, 2016 23:20:19 GMT -5
For top tier guys (from what I can tell from YT stew pendous, TCB, adrian etc) seems plasma is still a cornerstone of their hanger. Saw Adrian running 2 plasma galahads, stew and warlock have said they prefers plasma variant too. Same for me. I like the constant suppression of plasma that allows you to just constantly shoot at people. Also tarans have such a cool sound effect! Lots of shieldbots sure, but I reckon there's still more non-shieldbots (griff, fury, leo, carny) in gold tier. New cowboy bots don't have shield either.
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 13, 2016 23:30:34 GMT -5
I mostly brawl so I more often find myself wishing I were running non plasma than not, so I just switched since an orkan will take out pretty much anything--shield or no (well, some exceptions of course). I think plasma's still good but you'd have to be shooting from the side or back. At the moment, the Galahad's the only one I run with plasma.
Good point about the new bots though.
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Post by [ധ¡к¡] oDDD on Dec 13, 2016 23:51:12 GMT -5
For top tier guys (from what I can tell from YT stew pendous, TCB, adrian etc) seems plasma is still a cornerstone of their hanger. Saw Adrian running 2 plasma galahads, stew and warlock have said they prefers plasma variant too. Same for me. I like the constant suppression of plasma that allows you to just constantly shoot at people. Also tarans have such a cool sound effect! Lots of shieldbots sure, but I reckon there's still more non-shieldbots (griff, fury, leo, carny) in gold tier. New cowboy bots don't have shield either. This is good to hear, as I am getting my Galahad in 4 days now because I am planning on stepping into Low Gold at the end of the month.
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Post by 88generalblue on Dec 14, 2016 0:21:02 GMT -5
It's funny how different game play can be from top and bottom. Mag Geps are OP in low tiers, but in Gold Fury Tridents and DB Griff/ Rhinos are key
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 14, 2016 0:26:09 GMT -5
I run 3 plasma bots in my hangar when running solo in gold. Trust me, plasma ain't going away . The reason people started running shield bots is because of plasma, and even with those shields, they certainly don't hold up forever!
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 14, 2016 1:04:01 GMT -5
Sure,I still use it on the Galahad, but I have been testing the "right-handed punch (?)" (orkans/pinatas)--don't like it very much. The point I was making is: plasma kills griffins, furies, Leos, and Carnages but so do non plasma DBs--faster in fact. I'd just as well hit a Galahad or Lancelot with orkans, pinatas, tulumbas, or aphid than endanger myself trying to chip away at their shield with mags and tarans (almost impossible to accomplish alone).
Don't get my wrong, I love my tarans but more and more I find myself opting for non plasmas since there's more of an upside.
Naturally orkans cost gold, so that is a downside.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 14, 2016 1:34:41 GMT -5
Sure,I still use it on the Galahad, but I have been testing the "right-handed punch (?)" (orkans/pinatas)--don't like it very much. The point I was making is: plasma kills griffins, furies, Leos, and Carnages but so do non plasma DBs--faster in fact. I'd just as well hit a Galahad or Lancelot with orkans, pinatas, tulumbas, or aphid than endanger myself trying to chip away at their shield with mags and tarans (almost impossible to accomplish alone). Don't get my wrong, I love my tarans but more and more I find myself opting for non plasmas since there's more of an upside. Naturally orkans cost gold, so that is a downside. plasma kills furies, griffins carnages and Leo's much more efficiently and easily than orkans/pinatas do. The Leo will just eat your first salvo of missiles because of its high health pool, the carnage will negate the majority of your first DB salvo if you do not take down the shield first, so is actually much easier to take out with plasma. The fury.. same problem as the Leo. Plasma may not be effective for taking out Rhinos, Lancelots and Galahads, but it is a surefire way to get their attention, as if they aren't facing you, they will be melted just as easy as any other bot. Orkans and pinata a aren't the only way to play in gold tier, not by a long shot. I know that if all pilots used DB's instead of plasma bots, I'd be wiping out entire enemy teams with my griffins and Galahads.
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 14, 2016 1:50:50 GMT -5
Sure,I still use it on the Galahad, but I have been testing the "right-handed punch (?)" (orkans/pinatas)--don't like it very much. The point I was making is: plasma kills griffins, furies, Leos, and Carnages but so do non plasma DBs--faster in fact. I'd just as well hit a Galahad or Lancelot with orkans, pinatas, tulumbas, or aphid than endanger myself trying to chip away at their shield with mags and tarans (almost impossible to accomplish alone). Don't get my wrong, I love my tarans but more and more I find myself opting for non plasmas since there's more of an upside. Naturally orkans cost gold, so that is a downside. plasma kills furies, griffins carnages and Leo's much more efficiently and easily than orkans/pinata a do. The Leo will just eat your first salvo of missiles because of its high health pool, the carnage will negate the majority of your first DB salvo if you do not take down the shield first, so is actually much easier to take out with plasma. The fury.. same problem as the Leo. Plasma may not be effective for taking out Rhinos, Lancelots and Galahads, but it is a surefire way to get their attention, as if they aren't facing you, they will be melted just as easy as any other bot. Orkans and pinata a aren't the only way to play in gold tier, not by a long shot. I know that if all pilots used DB's instead of plasma bots, I'd be wiping out entire enemy teams with my griffins and Galahads. You make some good points, though. While I now prefer non plasma, reload time can be a disadvantage as well as projectile speed.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Dec 14, 2016 3:08:10 GMT -5
Plasma is far from dead in top tier. It is "the" Griffin/Stalker killing setup. While Griffs can jump out of a DB strike, they're hamburger if caught by a PDB.
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Post by Vindictive999 on Dec 14, 2016 3:53:03 GMT -5
I can understand your point but Plasma is still needed, the Galahad is the perfect bot for Plasma because it has the speed to flank. I think a balanced hanger with around 3 Rockets and 2 plasma is what I am aiming for.
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Post by B30RLL on Dec 14, 2016 4:22:10 GMT -5
To be fair it really depends on play style and if you like using rockets, that's cool. For me, the long reload time is a huge disadvantage. I like being able to put non-stop pressure on reds. Also that extra 50m against DB is sometimes a huge advantage.
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 14, 2016 4:28:36 GMT -5
Perhaps. Also depends whether you're playing solo (try to have a bit of both) or clanning (focus on a certain task). LOL. I think the post was incited by all the EP Magnums and tarans I have unused that have since been replaced by aphids and other orkans.
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Post by Vindictive999 on Dec 14, 2016 4:54:59 GMT -5
Its always good to have spares though as the meta always seems to change...
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Post by JstKnwImThad on Dec 14, 2016 4:55:29 GMT -5
I don't think plasma weapons will be going away in gold anytime soon. Good damage, very accurate and asides from trebs plasma weapons have a 350m range which is quite useful for countering 300m rocket weapons. But imo whether or not you have the advantage with plasma weapons depends on your circumstances.
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Post by Strayed on Dec 14, 2016 5:02:34 GMT -5
I think you guys are forgetting basic flanking tactics...
Plasma isn't really a head on weapon anymore, but you're practically guaranteed to win if you engage an enemy from anywhere but their front.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 14, 2016 5:23:11 GMT -5
I think you guys are forgetting basic flanking tactics... Plasma isn't really a head on weapon anymore, but you're practically guaranteed to win if you engage an enemy from anywhere but their front. you play too much solo
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 7:40:30 GMT -5
Certainly less plasma in high gold/top than in silver, but still very viable. I run a galahad with maxed plasma and a rhino with either taran/aphid or full plasma. Compare this with my alternate account (phone) where I run 3 full plasma setups in high silver. Overall, if you are planning to eventually move to top, you might want to consider leveling plasma only for two bots (so something like 3 tarans + 4 magnums). YMMV. For what it's worth, I have a total of 9 tarans and 11 magnums and basically use 25-35% of those, the rest turned out to be pointless purchases.
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Post by RightOn on Dec 14, 2016 8:20:29 GMT -5
Plasma is definitely not obsolete in Gold.
A lot more players in top tier are using aphids again (go figure, I always stated they have better DPS than piñata). They are definitely more accurate.
Also before the Aphid update, a lot of players were using rockets over plasma to challenge Brit bots.
I'd reckon it is split 3 ways rockets, plasma, missles. Thunder is built into a lot of plasma/rocket builds. Long range weapons are extremely rare, as are Zeus and Ancile. And nobody who knows what they're doing uses bullets.
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Post by PeashooterInBlack on Dec 14, 2016 8:58:16 GMT -5
I'm currently in silver or bronze (a little bit a problem wit Rhinos are coming). Should I buy plasma or rockets?
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Post by miatahead on Dec 14, 2016 13:23:51 GMT -5
I'm currently in silver or bronze (a little bit a problem wit Rhinos are coming). Should I buy plasma or rockets? Neither. Just run 5 thunder carnages. zero gold cost.
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 14, 2016 20:12:34 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm at two minds about my post (and hindsight is 20/20). It's not certain which direction the game will take in the future. At the moment though, while plasma's not going away, I do see it's use drop significantly in gold--mostly because of Brit bots and aphid buffs, which have also caused the decline in rhinos and lancelots and an increase in griffs and galahad.
I've got 8 tarans and 8 mags--all around lvl 9/11. So maybe the priority is balance and not going all out in any direction or you'll waste time and silver upgrading weapons you won't use. Then again, many of us play in 2-3 different tiers, so while you may not use plasma much in gold, your (ahem) Gepards are still going to need 15 mags in bronze and silver. So perhaps it's not a total waste.
The comments here were very good and useful--my thanks. It made me realize how much individual playing style constitutes much in the way you shape your hangar and select bots and weapons. And what works for some may not work for others.
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 14, 2016 20:17:47 GMT -5
I'm currently in silver or bronze (a little bit a problem wit Rhinos are coming). Should I buy plasma or rockets? Neither. Just run 5 thunder carnages. zero gold cost.
Geez, I'd love to do that; but you forget the time and silver needed to bring 5 thunders to at least lvl 10!
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 14, 2016 20:21:27 GMT -5
I'm currently in silver or bronze (a little bit a problem wit Rhinos are coming). Should I buy plasma or rockets? If you're in bronze and low silver, easy solution would be either a Patton with CRV Pins (or Pinatas) or a Golem with Tridents, Pins, and Tulumbas (called the Rocket Golem). The latter would be my preference. When you get into higher levels, all those weapons can be placed on other bots that play a support role: CRV Pins and tulumbas on a Griffin (called RDB, Russian Death Button) and tridents on a Carnage or Leo.
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