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Post by nightmarepatrol on Dec 10, 2016 12:53:09 GMT -5
So my Leo is getting a little long in the tooth and is getting outflanked mainly because it's so slow. Part of the problem I think that I have all short range weapons on it and in low gold it's just too slow to compete with Rhinos, Lancelots and and when a trident Fury spots me I'm gone unless I can find cover quickly. So I've been saving up and have 6900 gold and 48Kwsp and now I have buyers paralysis. Shoud I try and bolster the Leo with Aphids or ditch it and go all in with a Lancelot or a fury or maybe even a Rajin so as to not spend the gold. I have two L8 tridents sitting around and getting a third would not be a problem. I also have two L9 Tarans sitting around ding nothing. So should I: Get a Lancelot? Get a Fury? Get a Rajin? Something else? Keep saving up? Here's what I currently have
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Post by blognio on Dec 10, 2016 13:10:22 GMT -5
I have few ideas for you aphids patton lancelot tarans lancelot orkans trident fury I wish I had a hangar like yours
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Dec 10, 2016 13:19:50 GMT -5
PINs and Orkans are a range mis-match, that's my only quibble for ya.
As for your Leo... For my play style as mostly knife-fighter I'd take Mags over Aphids any day, but in general Aphids have become a new meta weapon type and having a few on hand will help with any FOMO issues you might have. You might want to switch the accompanying Thunder with another mid-range gun like a Zeus if you do got with Aphids or other mid-range weapons. Too bad there's no heavy-class missile weapons, just the ballistic rockets of the Zenit which is not recommended. My own Leo is set up to be a mid-range burst fire sniper with PINs and a Zeus, totally contrary to my play style, but we all need some versatility, right?
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Dec 10, 2016 13:20:14 GMT -5
Ahem... Isn't the carnage bumping you up? The Galahad too?
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Dec 10, 2016 13:23:50 GMT -5
Ahem... Isn't the carnage bumping you up? The Galahad too? The Galahad and Carnage are medium bots, so relative to the current match making system they are actually holding him back, by being equal level with his heavy bots. As a quick guess I would upgrade both to 9/10 or 10/10 to bring them up to par with his existing heavies.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Dec 10, 2016 13:29:56 GMT -5
I meant bumping him up a tier?
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Dec 10, 2016 13:34:14 GMT -5
I meant bumping him up a tier? I know, but I'm saying his mediums are having no impact on his MM Hanger Score (ergo not "bumping him up"), because as they are now they are being rated by the Matchmaker as much much lower than his heavy bots are. They'll need 2-3 levels more on bot levels &/or gun levels to be rated with a similar HS to his heavy bots.
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Post by petevb on Dec 10, 2016 16:31:56 GMT -5
Galahad Taran Mag Griffin Piñata Ork Rhino (Taran Mag better, DB ok) Leo (Aphid Thunder) Carnage Trident (placeholder for Fury Trident)
You need mid-range. Aphids first, then Tridents, then a Fury.
From there consider a Lancelot- they are on the decline due to their Aphid vulnerability, but you could run one instead of the Griffin medium term when you need to tank.
Forget the Raijin- liability.
This is all from a Top tier perspective. The Aphids are less good in mid tier due to more light bots, but it's still solid. I have both maxed, and I will often run a Leo Aphid Thunder instead of a Lancelot.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 10, 2016 16:42:52 GMT -5
Ok let's see here...
- Make your Griffin a true DB (Orkans/pinatas) - Take out Leo - Turn your galahad full plasma (mags/Taran) - Run a midrange bot in your hangar (RDB is the most cost effective and most flexible bot for all maps)
Then from there on it is up to you as for gold purchases, however I'd recommend either a Fury or a 2nd galahad. (I would replace the RDB if you decide on a fury and replace one of your DB bots for a 2nd galahad (If you see many shield bots in your tier, use it with Orkans/pinatas, otherwise use plasma) Lancelot is an option, but I wouldn't personally recommend it until you reach top tier, as Lancelot does not fare well against bots higher level than it (happens often in gold).
Hope that helped.
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Post by nightmarepatrol on Dec 10, 2016 17:19:09 GMT -5
Okay, so now I'm here. That leave a naked Leo. I have two L8 tarans and 2 L8 Tridents in the shop as well as one L8 magnum a couple more pinatas and CRV's as well as ummm... spirals and two leveled up hydras and (chuckle) a treb. So retool the Leo or ditch it for something else?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 10, 2016 17:27:31 GMT -5
Okay, so now I'm here. That leave a naked Leo. I have two L8 tarans and 2 L8 Tridents in the shop as well as one L8 magnum a couple more pinatas and CRV's as well as ummm... spirals and two leveled up hydras and (chuckle) a treb. So retool the Leo or ditch it for something else? I'd ditch the Leo for another plasma bot. Personally I'd go 1x DB Griffin, 1x PDB Rhino, 1x Plasma Galahad, 1x Thunder Carnage and 1x RDB Griffin.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 10, 2016 17:28:56 GMT -5
Another option is 2x DB Griff, 1x PDB Rhino, 1x Plasma Galahad and 1x Trident Carnage.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Dec 10, 2016 17:36:20 GMT -5
I meant bumping him up a tier? I know, but I'm saying his mediums are having no impact on his MM Hanger Score (ergo not "bumping him up"), because as they are now they are being rated by the Matchmaker as much much lower than his heavy bots are. They'll need 2-3 levels more on bot levels &/or gun levels to be rated with a similar HS to his heavy bots. Yeah yeah, self quote, but another type of question could be here. Mayhap you are referring to the 'penalty' of using WSP bots (any, not just medium)? Having a WSP bot in your hanger will add an additional 20% value to your overall hanger score. Doesn't matter if it's the WSP bot in question that's your strongest or another bot, it just adds that 20% to the HS rating for your strongest bot period.
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Post by petevb on Dec 10, 2016 18:06:58 GMT -5
You can make the Leo work in top tier with Aphids as a cost no object bot, it's a matter of preference if you want to or not. However I will also say that Aphids are the only setup that I believe qualifies for Top tier on the Leo, so it's a very limited bot, and given that you should consider if it's worth investing in long term. I have 24 maxed bots; below are the two setups I use most often currently. You're close to one of them if you do the lineup I suggested above. In general I find that as players improve they go for slightly more Plasma than Orks. This is generally because they are able to live longer and exploit plasma's higher DPM. However that again depends on preference and a skill level. Given this working towards an approximation of the top hanger would be my advice as a weigh point- a plasma Rhino can stand in for the Galahad. It's a little easier to play than the bottom one, which requires a lot of skill with Fury in particular to get the most from.
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Post by nightmarepatrol on Dec 10, 2016 19:56:34 GMT -5
Well, like I said earlier and it's just my opinion, the Leo is getting a little long in the tooth. It's passable on the small maps but it's just too slow. This is especially noticeable when I get tossed in with bots that are leveled up higher. It just can't get out of the way and certainly can't withstand getting beat up but the higher powered weapons. All that being said it does do well on Shenzen and occasionally Dead City. That's for me anyhow. I ran the Griffin in a PDB setup for a while, but the orkan setup seems to work better for me, at least for now. I don't know when the new bots come out, but if the heavy will have a load-out of heavy hardpoints that might be interesting.
I've been eyeballing the Lancelot or Fury. Most of what I do is knifing as it's simply more fun for me. I have the weapons for either, but I don't want to blow 5K gold and not like it. Anyhow I'm of the opinion the Leo has reached the end of it's usefulness for me and I'm just looking for some input from people.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 10, 2016 20:06:11 GMT -5
Well, like I said earlier and it's just my opinion, the Leo is getting a little long in the tooth. It's passable on the small maps but it's just too slow. This is especially noticeable when I get tossed in with bots that are leveled up higher. It just can't get out of the way and certainly can't withstand getting beat up but the higher powered weapons. All that being said it does do well on Shenzen and occasionally Dead City. That's for me anyhow. I ran the Griffin in a PDB setup for a while, but the orkan setup seems to work better for me, at least for now. I don't know when the new bots come out, but if the heavy will have a load-out of heavy hardpoints that might be interesting. I've been eyeballing the Lancelot or Fury. Most of what I do is knifing as it's simply more fun for me. I have the weapons for either, but I don't want to blow 5K gold and not like it. Anyhow I'm of the opinion the Leo has reached the end of it's usefulness for me and I'm just looking for some input from people. the reason the aphid/thunder Leo works is because you use the aphids as your main weapon, and if anyone attempts to close the gap to take you out, you give them a face full of thunder. The aphid/thunder Leo can be a very hard bot to take out.
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Post by petevb on Dec 10, 2016 20:06:18 GMT -5
Yep. And as I said there is only one viable setup for the Leo, and you're not using it. It's lunch meat with the setup you're running (IMHO).
The fact you can average well over 700k damage running it (in iOS) suggests it can be viable if you equip it correctly. Sounds like you've decided though. $.02
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Post by Scorpio Snow on Dec 10, 2016 20:16:07 GMT -5
I think you should ditch the Leo for either Thunder Orkan Lancelot or Trident Fury.. The former can go toe to toe with any robots in this game with some basic knowledge about piloting it..the later can blown multiple galahads, rhinos, lancelots.. from a relatively safe distance as long as your team provide some close range distraction to make sure the opponents don't come to you.. Both are very effective in low-high gold..
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 10, 2016 20:17:21 GMT -5
Thunder/ork Lance is harder to pilot well than people credit it for.
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Post by Scorpio Snow on Dec 10, 2016 20:21:02 GMT -5
I know.. And it should be, considering it can makes mutliple knife-fighters in the opponent's team go ka-boom. To be honest I think mid-range splash is its only exploitable weakness.. It can even blown up a DB setup and done quite some damage to another before going down.. So yeah.. they should make it quite hard to pilot.. But obviously worth it, it's not even as hard as when you learn to pilot Rhinos..
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Post by nightmarepatrol on Dec 10, 2016 23:49:41 GMT -5
Well I have about 13 hours remaining on my last orkan upgrade on the Griffin to get it to an L9. Equiping it with aphids is not that big of a deal since it will put me down to a little over 4600 gold. and if I don't like the aphid set up after a while I won't have to earn too much gold to get a Fury or Lancelot. It looks like it's going to take some time and silver to get 3 of them upgraded though. Or I can just get another Rhino. Of course I could also be one of "those guys" and put the aphids and hydras on my griffin and find a hiding spot to piss people off from. Thanks for the feedback all. I guess I'm going to sleep on it.
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Post by B30RLL on Dec 11, 2016 1:42:41 GMT -5
If you want to keep your leo around, out of box idea, how about the "pot head warrior" setup? LOL. I've not run it myself but seems it's catching on in upper tiers?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 11, 2016 1:53:47 GMT -5
If you want to keep your leo around, out of box idea, how about the "pot head warrior" setup? LOL. I've not run it myself but seems it's catching on in upper tiers? that setup is just for laughs really. The thunder/aphid combo is much more effective.
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Post by Strayed on Dec 11, 2016 4:26:55 GMT -5
If you want to keep your leo around, out of box idea, how about the "pot head warrior" setup? LOL. I've not run it myself but seems it's catching on in upper tiers? This is an actual advice thread, not a joke thread.
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Post by Strayed on Dec 11, 2016 4:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by B30RLL on Dec 11, 2016 5:47:39 GMT -5
OK, perhaps adrian started using PHW as a joke but watching his video seemed like he made it work - probably only viable if supported by squadmates though. OP seemed to be concerned about mid-range rockets, and perhaps ancil could provide partial protection? Hence the 'out of box' qualifier. Conventional meta answer: yes, aphid+thunder or aphid+zeus depending on playstyle
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Post by moody on Dec 11, 2016 6:28:54 GMT -5
Quick question. Are you specifically trying not to duplicate bots?
Which bots work for you most effectively?
After I got a Galahad for example, my next purchase was a Galahad. (One plasma, one DB) Before that I went from having a Leo, Griffin, Natasha and rhino to having 3 griffins.
PS all 5 of my bots have different weapon setups.
If you get comfortable with a particular frame there is no reason why you can't have another.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Dec 11, 2016 7:31:54 GMT -5
I know, but I'm saying his mediums are having no impact on his MM Hanger Score (ergo not "bumping him up"), because as they are now they are being rated by the Matchmaker as much much lower than his heavy bots are. They'll need 2-3 levels more on bot levels &/or gun levels to be rated with a similar HS to his heavy bots. Yeah yeah, self quote, but another type of question could be here. Mayhap you are referring to the 'penalty' of using WSP bots (any, not just medium)? Having a WSP bot in your hanger will add an additional 20% value to your overall hanger score. Doesn't matter if it's the WSP bot in question that's your strongest or another bot, it just adds that 20% to the HS rating for your strongest bot period. I meant the 20% penalty. Sorry, I forgot to answer yesterday...
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Post by nightmarepatrol on Dec 13, 2016 19:39:10 GMT -5
So the aphids are installed and inbetween L6 and L7. The Leo now stays alive a little while longer. I also took the thunders off the carnage and installed the two L8 tridents I had sitting around.
So if I get one more trident. and start upgrading it I can do a Lancelot or a Fury when I get back up to 5K gold.
Then I'll be wound up again trying to figure out what to get.
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