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Post by pirateb0t on May 25, 2017 5:38:41 GMT -5
 If you're wondering why my win rate is so high and why i'm still in gold league well it's not because i'm a tanker it's because my league rating was hurt severely by the event grind for the rog and my experimentation with different builds. Currently this hanger does very well and I range from 60-70% win rate. I expect to be diamond soon if MM doesn't screw me. I have a doc on standby with 3 hydras at around level 7 with a 4th hydra on the purchase list when the WSP are available. I plan to sub in the doc with the aphid leo sometimes since it's my least played bot on the roster. |
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Post by Golden Sabre on May 25, 2017 6:14:00 GMT -5
You seem to have a well rounded hangar. My only suggestion is to start with all the lowest levels and get everything to level 9.
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Post by snk on May 25, 2017 6:25:22 GMT -5
I like your hanger, below just my personal preference, may not suit others.
Gareth- upgrade to level 9 (just 1+ day), I prefer Taran/Magnum for extra range. But others use Orkan/Piñata success too
Fury- prefer 3 Tridents or 3 Zeus, mix aren't good against energy shield bots. Can't deplete energy shield and kill physical shield.
Griffins- fine, you may use 2 Alphids for 1 of your Griffin
Leo- pass the Alphids to a Griffin and replace it with Galahad.
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Post by zeus on May 25, 2017 8:16:10 GMT -5
Get triple tridents or Zeus. I saw my fury damage improve when I switch out the single Zeus for a trident. The Zeus sounds like a mighty weapon firing every 5s but it requires lock on and line of sight and it's not really firing every 5s since a fury is pretty much stationary even when it's moving. Full tridents can splash behind obstacles together, destroy shields faster so the next few volleys can damage health. And triple tridents is a real Gareth and Galahad killer, I can kill same level galahads or Gareths in two volleys. Dead in 20s if they choose not to hide.
If you want a Zeus bot, try a Zeus carnage. They are mobile and great at following Griffins trying to jump out of distance, and great at running away when irate reds start chasing you.
Rest of the hangar seems solid, though I'm partial to plasma for shield bots. As a recommendation, aphid griffin is a blast to play, if I'm not mistaken, aphid Leos still have the bug with the aphids prematurely detonating. Leos are pretty tanky nowadays, a magnum Leo can do pretty well against non shield bots.
I agree with sink, get Gareth to 9 and enjoy his 68km speed. It's a blast to be that fast and zipping around the map to take beacons.
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Post by pirateb0t on May 25, 2017 8:40:42 GMT -5
Great advice guys. Let me explain my rationale for using zeus/2 tridents though. I use the zeus to hit bots that are real fast/mid air jump or with a sliver of health. I splash with the tridents when bots are behind cover. I tend to do in the range of 450-740k (500k'ish average easily) damage per game with just the fury build on canyon or shenzhen.
I like the stuka build of the griffins too but I guess i'm not too good at using it yet when I tried. I have problems with this build when bots are in tight tunnels or partial cover. I can't splash them like with the full DB griffin.
I have around 1600 gold saved up so i'm not too far from a galahad. However, I do have two anciles in reserve. One of which I got in the event and another in a chest. I was considering saving up all the way for the lance instead. What do you guys think of putting two aphids and buying an orkan for a galahad anyhow? I really like aphids and i've done pretty well with the aphid leo when defending beacons and general control of the map. The Leo bug is definitely still there but i've learned if you stand at a slight 4 o'clock angle to your target when launching them one by one (not near any obstacles) they tend to land more often than not without exploding on launch.
I'll probably still take your guys advice and replace the zeus with the 3rd trident just to see how it meshes with my play style. If it is far and beyond better then i'll go with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 8:45:50 GMT -5
I like the Zeus Trident Fury, and my reason for using it is the same as yours. If you have good success with it, then keep it. However, the bot's that I would aim on replacing is the Plasma Griffin, the Leo and the Gareth. I'd replace the Plasma Griffin with either a Plasma Rhino or Galahad and replace the Leo with a Lancelot. The Gareth I'd replace with another Galahad, but for now, use Plasma on it instead of Orkan PInata.
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Post by lorddoge on May 25, 2017 10:15:44 GMT -5
It's a pretty good hanger as it is but I might suggest a few tweaks.
Fury - Switch to a TT fury. You'll be surprised how much more damage you can do with 1 more trident - you essentially up your damage by 33%
Gareth - Level up to 9 to enjoy the max move speed. Gareth's strength is in his mobility. Personally, I like the orkan/pinata setup on the gareth to counter other gareths and galahads, so I agree with the weapon loadout.
Griffin - I would try to replace the plasma griffin with a plasma galahad. It's a counter to plasma griffins and its speed allows it to somewhat outrun missiles. The physical shield is of course really handy as well. Probably the best thing about the Galahad though would be its unparalleled ability to corner shoot. I have used corner shooting to take down many 8/8 or better Ancilots on my 8/8 Galahad.
Leo - I'm personally not a fan of the aphid/thunder leo loadout. Leo has a high HP which is good for brawling. Aphids on the other hand are best suited for a bot that avoids direct conflict and is used to harass reds while staying out of their fire. I would probably swap out the aphids for pinatas (I think the new patch makes them even better for brawling now). Alternatively, if you enjoy aphid gameplay, I suggest buying another aphid and running a 4x aphid patton.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on May 25, 2017 11:45:33 GMT -5
pirateb0t,
We are close in hangars from evolution view. I am on edge Expert III/II with 9.3/10.8 hangar.
Substitute the Gareth -?Galahad & Leo - ? Lancelot
I will go bot by bot across you hanger:
*Gareth - replace with Galahad! Best all around bot, great on all maps. Load with Plasma-combo of constant fire/shield/speed w corner shooting can not be matched on the battlefield!
*Fury - get 3rd trident, it punches holes!! You want that hole as big as possible, maximum effect! You will destroy more and push back more bots with 3 Tridents.
*db Griffin - it Rocks, enough said
*Leo - place holder for Lancelot, I run mine with several combo's - currently with Tarans & Thunder, but also swap on Ancile. When your Thunder is leveled up 10+, the DESTRUCTIVE POWER with the Tarans is AWESOME!!
*Plasma Griffin, this is were play style is the biggest factor!
When I got my Lancelot I was Thunder/Orkan all the way (Tear 「dookie」 up!). I had to take Orkan off 1 Griffin. Next, is what you prefer..best at.. etc.... For me I like having Orkans on my Griffins much more than on the Lancelot. Plasma on the Griffin does not work well with my style/strategy. I like to get in close with my Griffins then jump out or jump in to finish off red. With plasma I feel I am exposed to long and die to quick.
With all the Ancilots in Expert+, I go Ancilot hunting with my Plasma/Thunder Lancelot!
I would get Galahad 1st, then save for Lancelot.
Hope that helps.
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Post by pirateb0t on May 26, 2017 0:28:09 GMT -5
The new updates have thrown me for a loop when it comes to my plans :/ i'm on ios so the update hasn't dropped yet but i'm going to wait and see a bit. I generally agree with you guys the LEO is the weakest link in my setup. I use the gary to cap beacons a lot and i'm pretty successful with doing missile drive bys with it so i'll keep that in for now and upgrade to 9.
Depending on how shield bots perform after the update i'll likely replace the leo with a galahad taran/aphid setup. I'm going to assume homing missiles like aphids, hydras, and hard cover will have a more useful role with all the RDB and DB bots around after update.
Then I might take the zeus off my fury and replace it with a 3rd trident.
Since I have 3 geckos that I do nothing with I may play around with a zeus/gecko leo build just to see how that does post update too.
Thanks guys. I'll let you all know how it goes a couple weeks or so from now.
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Post by pirateb0t on May 26, 2017 0:47:29 GMT -5
Btw what do you guys think of the feasibility of replacing the death button griff with a rogatka orkan setup? I have that rog from the event collecting dust. The idea of having a galahad, gary, and a rog in the same hangar gives me a semi stiffy.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on May 26, 2017 1:07:11 GMT -5
Keep the db. The rog doesn't have the firepower. With the buff to the piñata the db is actually much more dangerous now.
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Post by Golden Toe on May 26, 2017 1:08:06 GMT -5
Your win rate isn't high. Dump the aphid Leo. Stop leveling things you won't use. Get your bots to max speed (9).
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