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Post by seanh on May 24, 2017 11:30:12 GMT -5
Hello,
I am a noob and I have a noob question. (apologies if its been asked before, but the search function on here thinks I am a robot, Irony?)
The question needs context however so here it is. I’m playing a month or so, really enjoying it, made some noob mistakes on upgrades and rash purchases, but managed to back out or most of them and have gotmy ship steady again (kind of). But now I have started dying at an alarming / embarrassing rate (sorry to any fellow blues I happen to spawn with).
I was doing well for a while, respectable win rate, lots of Au and Ag. Am now in the mid Silver level 26. Have a hanger with bots and weapons all up to 6. Just got the 5th slot last week so was in a happy place. Have a line up of Ag mids and heavies and a Rog with Orks. But now I am getting absolutely murdered. Not sure why? It could be one of the following:
- 5th slot has given me somewhat of a death wish, survival doesn’t appear to be as important anymore (I am trying to stop doing this).
- I have gone past my level of talent and the MMwill eventually send me back to play my equals?
- I have no workshop points. This was one of the noob mistakes I haven’t quite fixed yet. I wasn’t really paying attention to them and wasn’t clicking ‘get’. I am clicking it now but it’s a slow process at level, only have one mag and one taran in the whole hanger and no workshop bots. All the guys I am being matched against appear to have no shortage of them.
So to my question, the possibilities above will all fix themselves. I will stop charging at those well defended beacons, the MM will do what it will do andI will eventually get some fun new toys from the workshop. My questions is about what to do right now? I am mostly being matched against bots of similar level to mine 6/7 (the odd 8), but I am seeing a good few weapons at 7/8 /9 weapons. I have plentyof Ag so was thinking of upgrading past 6 but then the last thing I want is for the MM to stick me in against even meaner bots when I have a mostly Ag only hanger.
So leave all at 6, get more time on the board be patient on get some of those workshop bots and weapons in the hanger. Or spend some Ag getting the weapons / bots up a notch?
Advice appreciated
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 24, 2017 11:52:19 GMT -5
Well, your levels will directly affect only your performance... so... you won't be put in harder matches right off the bat. It will take you doing better and rising in the leagues because of that better performance.
And yes, deffo get a couple of Tarans and Mags from the workshop, asap.
However...
Silver is just the first taste of the real War Robots. You will get matchups that make sense, and then you will get level 30 punks with 10/12 hangars that 「fluffernutter」 you up so badly you cant walk straight for a month. Nothing you can do about that... so, just focus on:
*getting aim right on things like Pinatas,
*leading targets with things like Punishers and Molots,
*staying in cover until the last second then attacking when you will do the most damage with whatever you are using,
*using Thunder at it's best and optimum times, which is usually waiting until around 200m or less,
*teaming up with a battle buddy... doesn't have to be a squad member, just someone that you can pair up with and not have to fight Reds alone,
*and being aware. Get used to scanning the battlefield around you... pay attention to the ranges of the bots and try and tell what they are using so you know how far to stay away from them if you are not actively attacking and if you are stalking them you can plan your route so that you have cover until you get there... etc.
Just some random advice from what I have seen with my little level 25 account in Silver 2 on Android. I can still keep a 400k average in damage with a 4 slot hangar but now that I am in Silver 2 the competition has ramped up... exponentially. You may need to just not stress, let the fall from 2 happen and see if 3 is any better. I am not saying tank, but if you are in a losing streak, just let it happen don't stress it. Yes upgrading will help... but don't be in a rush. You can still do well with level 6 everything against peeps with level 9s if you play smart and be aware.
IMO, YMMV.
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Post by shakingrabbit on May 24, 2017 12:09:34 GMT -5
Yes, don't worry too much about your win streak or how you are stacking up or the hangar level of other players. The matchmaking system tries to stabilize you at a 50% win rate, often times sticking you in with brutal matchups that you have no chance of winning and often at a stretch at a time (for example, the MM will let you get your win % up to to 65% and then destroy you for 15 or so matches to bring you back down to 50%).
In short, just play. There's no real rhyme or reason as to who you play with/against.
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Post by Scuzzbopper on May 24, 2017 12:14:52 GMT -5
I've a question as well. When I play I use to get invites to squad up with other players. That seems to have gone away. Is this because if you get too many in a squad you now are stacked up against Clans who are squading?
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Post by seanh on May 25, 2017 5:23:26 GMT -5
Thanks guys, some good advice there.
I'll keep plugging away and working on the basics and see where the MM lands me. |
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Post by arakos on May 25, 2017 6:01:05 GMT -5
It would help if you post a screenshot of your hangar, or if you describe what you use and you have in storage.
BTW a thunder carnage is not hard to get and really worth it once you upgrade it, which isn't expensive. Will last for a long time. I'd buy that before more tarans/magnums...
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Post by seanh on May 25, 2017 11:43:28 GMT -5
Sure thing, my hanger at the moment is (all at level 6 unless otherwise stated):
- Rogatka with dual Orkans
- RDB Griffin (Pins & Tulumbas)
- DB Griffin (Pinata & Orkan) these are a mix of 5/6 (upgrade in progress).
- Thunder Boa with a Taran
- Leo Thunder / Pinata
The tool box has the following:
Bots: Another Leo, Natasha, Cossack, Gepard, Vityaz all at 6. A Patton and a Gollum at 4 and a Schutze and Destrier at 1 /2.
Heavy Weapons: Have another thunder, two Kang Dae, two Zeus all at 6. Loads of Nashorns at different levels and a Zenit (only used once).
Medium Weapons: A pile of punishers / molots and ECU shields at various levels.
Light Weapons: Two Gekko’s, one Magnum and a ton of Molots/ punishers / spirals / pins/ pinata’s and a pair of Noricum (only used once).
Have loads of Silver. Very little gold at the moment (5th slot cleaned me out). And right now 4,475 workshop points.
Have tried a sniper with the KangDae’s and the Gekko’s. Not really for me I like being closer, same for artillery, no fun at all. Had the Zeus on the Natasha, seemed like a good idea a while back, but they didn’t appear to be that effective for me and the Natasha, again for me was just a big slow target. Using the RDB Griffin now to much better effect.
I like the look of the Carnage. I was thinking of getting a Plasma Griffin together first then saving for the carnage next.
Any advice on the current setup / next steps appreciated.
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Post by ░SᑌᑕKᗩ░ᘻC░ on May 25, 2017 12:23:05 GMT -5
I was thinking of getting a Plasma Griffin together first then saving for the carnage next. Any advice on the current setup / next steps appreciated. Your plan is sound. Griff then Carnage based on your current player level. As far as next steps, I suggest you upgrade those thunders. As far as you can (try lvl 9). Now. Not only will the upgrades benefit your current setup(boa and leo will thank you), but when you do get your carnage (which you should also get to lvl 9) pop those thunders on and relish in the destruction you cause. Use cover and save your rush to engage and circle your next victim. Pick your targets; don't engage plasma or shield bots directly or if u have no choice have the rush waiting and circle the wagons while firing. Eventually you can get another Carnage and pop some tridents on it(or your zues'). I'd probably just put thunders on that one too. So. Much. Fun. Don't buy a fujin. Ever. Or a Raijin. Good luck!!! |
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Post by noobcake on May 25, 2017 14:10:06 GMT -5
Sure thing, my hanger at the moment is (all at level 6 unless otherwise stated): - Rogatka with dual Orkans - RDB Griffin (Pins & Tulumbas) - DB Griffin (Pinata & Orkan) these are a mix of 5/6 (upgrade in progress). - Thunder Boa with a Taran - Leo Thunder / Pinata You have done exceptionally well to get the 5th slot and now your next challenge will be to flesh out your hangar. The problem you are running into is that all your bots (RDB Griffin excluded) are close range rocket setups. The extra 50m for plasma weapons hurts as does the fact that none of your bots have physical shields. Cornershooting and also waiting until bots are closer before moving out to engage can help somewhat but some bots (Gareth and Rogatka) will still wreck you. Using the old meta I would have prioritized a Plasma Galahad but the new changes out for Android and still coming for iOS change the entire formula. No one knows what will happen but your hangar should get massively buffed. Also, it is possible that molots and/or punishers may enter the meta once the shield breaker buff is added. |
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Post by seanh on May 26, 2017 1:51:44 GMT -5
Thanks,
I'm on ios, I had a poke around the forum but couldn't find much on the proposed buffs, it there anything out there on them? Apologies if it's hiding in plane sight.
I have been following the various bits of advice above and it's working out mostly well. I am not having much luck with the DB Griffin at the moment, but I will keep with him for a bit longer. On anything other than a weakened bot I don't generally kill it with the first burst, and I am kind of just let standing there looking at a severely depleted but still functional bot with nothing to throw at it bar harsh language. Same problem with to Rog but I can manuver it around and stay out of fire till I reload, can do it to the same extent with the griffin and usually end up takeing pasting from a bot that should be dead if I managed the initial attack a bit better. Will keep practicing.
Thanks again guys
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Post by seanh on May 26, 2017 2:45:01 GMT -5
Found a good bit on the buff, was hiding in plane sight after all
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Post by Alanbit on May 26, 2017 3:22:46 GMT -5
Build a shrine for your orkan rogatka. I love mine  Your hangar is pretty competitive, plasma will add a plus. ░SᑌᑕKᗩ░ᘻC░ suggested Tridents and I agree. All your robots have close range config except the one with pins and tulus. It would be nice to have another midranger to have a more versatile hangar. Enjoy and good hunt! |
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Post by inesb on May 26, 2017 7:48:55 GMT -5
I think your main problem is the low level of all things. Bots get faster with each upgrade up to lvl 9, so that´s where you should bring them. It takes only a day or two for each bot and doesn´t cost much.
Your hangar looks quite ok, I would take out the Leo and reactivate the Natasha with two Zeus and two Gekkos. Altenatively, you could get a Carnage and use the Zeus on it. They are really good weapons if used correct.
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Post by arakos on May 26, 2017 8:02:08 GMT -5
Sure thing, my hanger at the moment is (all at level 6 unless otherwise stated): - Rogatka with dual Orkans - RDB Griffin (Pins & Tulumbas) - DB Griffin (Pinata & Orkan) these are a mix of 5/6 (upgrade in progress). - Thunder Boa with a Taran - Leo Thunder / Pinata The tool box has the following: Bots: Another Leo, Natasha, Cossack, Gepard, Vityaz all at 6. A Patton and a Gollum at 4 and a Schutze and Destrier at 1 /2. Heavy Weapons: Have another thunder, two Kang Dae, two Zeus all at 6. Loads of Nashorns at different levels and a Zenit (only used once). Medium Weapons: A pile of punishers / molots and ECU shields at various levels. Light Weapons: Two Gekko’s, one Magnum and a ton of Molots/ punishers / spirals / pins/ pinata’s and a pair of Noricum (only used once). Have loads of Silver. Very little gold at the moment (5th slot cleaned me out). And right now 4,475 workshop points. Have tried a sniper with the KangDae’s and the Gekko’s. Not really for me I like being closer, same for artillery, no fun at all. Had the Zeus on the Natasha, seemed like a good idea a while back, but they didn’t appear to be that effective for me and the Natasha, again for me was just a big slow target. Using the RDB Griffin now to much better effect. I like the look of the Carnage. I was thinking of getting a Plasma Griffin together first then saving for the carnage next. Any advice on the current setup / next steps appreciated. I think that having two zeuses, which are incredible weapons on a Carnage, you should definitely get one Carnie. Then if you like how the Carnie moves, either go for another one with thunders (that would be my choice) or try a plasma Griffin (that would be me son's). Those bots would replace the Boa and Leo. Good luck! |
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Post by FlashAhAhh on May 27, 2017 8:38:44 GMT -5
Yep! just keep playing and trucking along. WP points accumulate pretty quick once you stop sweating on them all the time. Getting another Taran and Mag for a PDB Griff then getting a Carny for some Thunders is a great plan. Both are excellent bots if used correctly.
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Post by snk on May 27, 2017 9:27:49 GMT -5
I am in iOS too, i really don't know what will happen to the balance of War Robots with this update. For a safe bet, don't buy anything for 3-4 weeks until everything is more clear. You still can upgrade the Orkans Rogatka and DB Griffin, because they were already great before the new update, they are just even better now. If you want to try something new? Thunder Carnage or Zeus Carnage will be a safer bet for you as well. I haven't tried the new RBD Griffin, in theory, they should be very good too.
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