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Post by Domino on May 23, 2017 13:30:40 GMT -5
5 slot Hanger: Lvl 9 Griff = 2xlvl 9 Mag / 2x lvl 9/10 Taran Lvl 9 Galahad = lvl 10 Taran, 2x lvl 9 Mags Lvl 9 Griff = 2x lvl 10 Orkans, 2xlvl 9 Pinata Lvl 9 Carnage = 8/9 lvl Thunder Lvl 6 Griff = lvl 8 Pins/Lvl 8 Tulu In the background: Lvl 9 Rhino Lvl 8 Staker Lvl 8 Leo Lvl 8 Taran Lvl 8 Mag Lvl 8 Aphid 4 x Molot/Mk2 Lvl 8 Bunch of pinata/CRV/Thunder/punishers/gekko not worth mentioning 35,000 WSP - (Stopped making WSP) 3600 AU at time of post What are the next couple things I should get next? The new Valley map and bots suggest I get maybe Lance or more Orkans to go on the Rhino. Stalker is just getting to level 9 and might run it as a beacon capper as only have Galahad and Carnage. Thoughts would be appreciated! Screwed up the poll  |
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Post by Russel on May 23, 2017 13:35:59 GMT -5
I suggest postpone buying something until the Dashes will make it here.
Lance is a bit overused and would be soon not so relevant due to it's lack of mobility.
However, if you crave for new toy - I suggest getting Zeus Fury, it seems to be good against Dashes.
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Post by Domino on May 23, 2017 13:46:33 GMT -5
I suggest postpone buying something until the Dashes will make it here. Lance is a bit overused and would be soon not so relevant due to it's lack of mobility. However, if you crave for new toy - I suggest getting Zeus Fury, it seems to be good against Dashes. 8600 Au investment on midrange support seems overkill to me, atleast at this point. I'll eventually build up to it by getting maybe 2 Zeus and mount on carnage, after a while get a Fury and a 3rd Zeus. In the meantime it's not a goal I want to strive for like the 5th slot (painful as it was) Appreciate the thought, we should see a new update in the next 30 days, but I don't think it will be as dramatic. |
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Post by Russel on May 23, 2017 13:54:27 GMT -5
I suggest postpone buying something until the Dashes will make it here. Lance is a bit overused and would be soon not so relevant due to it's lack of mobility. However, if you crave for new toy - I suggest getting Zeus Fury, it seems to be good against Dashes. 8600 Au investment on midrange support seems overkill to me, atleast at this point. I'll eventually build up to it by getting maybe 2 Zeus and mount on carnage, after a while get a Fury and a 3rd Zeus. In the meantime it's not a goal I want to strive for like the 5th slot (painful as it was) Appreciate the thought, we should see a new update in the next 30 days, but I don't think it will be as dramatic. I am sure than Dashes would be out there late summer the earliest, so you might hold up your savings and buy one of them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 14:47:58 GMT -5
4x Orkans before the Lancelot. You'd need two of them unless you already have an Ancile.
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Post by mechtout on May 23, 2017 14:51:26 GMT -5
Turn a griff into a second db
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Post by Russel on May 23, 2017 15:33:17 GMT -5
4x Orkans before the Lancelot. You'd need two of them unless you already have an Ancile. You wanted to say "..at least", right? =) My Doc eat four Orkans, so no more for Lance :( |
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Post by Domino on May 23, 2017 15:44:24 GMT -5
I could get a Lance and run a Taran/Thunder and save up for the ancile later. I would need 1 more Taran, easy enough I have tons of WSP burning a hole in my account.
I'm not a huge fan of Lance, as a DB can mow down a unanciled lance (basically it's a easy target like my Rhino is) however looks like everyone needs 1 in thier hanger.
Could always get the orkan combo later.
I'm missing splash as it stands
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Post by Russel on May 23, 2017 15:55:24 GMT -5
I could get a Lance and run a Taran/Thunder and save up for the ancile later. I would need 1 more Taran, easy enough I have tons of WSP burning a hole in my account. I'm not a huge fan of Lance, as a DB can mow down a unanciled lance (basically it's a easy target like my Rhino is) however looks like everyone needs 1 in thier hanger. Could always get the orkan combo later. I'm missing splash as it stands I am not a big fan of a BritBots altogether, so not much experience piloting them. However I think that Thunder should be accompanied with Orkans, or Ancile+Taran. For my understanding Ancile+Orkan is really bad choice, because: 1) very short range (getting Thunder would increase your range at least somewhat) 2) you are basically have no weapon against Ancile (Thunder is awesome at disabling Ancile at any range) 3) reload cycle. Thunder and Orkans are "fire when reload", and Taran isn't |
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Post by moody on May 23, 2017 20:35:45 GMT -5
I could get a Lance and run a Taran/Thunder and save up for the ancile later. I would need 1 more Taran, easy enough I have tons of WSP burning a hole in my account. I'm not a huge fan of Lance, as a DB can mow down a unanciled lance (basically it's a easy target like my Rhino is) however looks like everyone needs 1 in thier hanger. Could always get the orkan combo later. I'm missing splash as it stands I am not a big fan of a BritBots altogether, so not much experience piloting them. However I think that Thunder should be accompanied with Orkans, or Ancile+Taran. For my understanding Ancile+Orkan is really bad choice, because: 1) very short range (getting Thunder would increase your range at least somewhat) 2) you are basically have no weapon against Ancile (Thunder is awesome at disabling Ancile at any range) 3) reload cycle. Thunder and Orkans are "fire when reload", and Taran isn't 1 thunder effective range is way less than 350m. 2 Great weapon against ancille. It's called rush into the shield. 3 How's that prevent ancille orkan? Love my ancille ork Lance. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:51:25 GMT -5
The Ancile Orkan is an extremely good setup in brawling-only maps (Dead City and Poweropoint) where there is absolutely no room to backpedal to take out Galahads. Otherwise, I would consider the Ancile Taran a better pick than the Ancile Orkan.
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Post by moody on May 23, 2017 20:59:38 GMT -5
The Ancile Orkan is an extremely good setup in brawling-only maps (Dead City and Poweropoint) where there is absolutely no room to backpedal to take out Galahads. Otherwise, I would consider the Ancile Taran a better pick than the Ancile Orkan. It definitely only thrives in built up areas. I try not to take it into the open. |
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Post by Russel on May 24, 2017 1:37:53 GMT -5
I am not a big fan of a BritBots altogether, so not much experience piloting them. However I think that Thunder should be accompanied with Orkans, or Ancile+Taran. For my understanding Ancile+Orkan is really bad choice, because: 1) very short range (getting Thunder would increase your range at least somewhat) 2) you are basically have no weapon against Ancile (Thunder is awesome at disabling Ancile at any range) 3) reload cycle. Thunder and Orkans are "fire when reload", and Taran isn't 1 thunder effective range is way less than 350m. 2 Great weapon against ancille. It's called rush into the shield. 3 How's that prevent ancille orkan? Love my ancille ork Lance. 1) Thunder can take out Ancile from 530m easily. 2) I find it hard to believe. How are you going to rush into Carnage? Or another rushed Ancilot? Very situational IMO 3) Usually reload rate dictates you how to use a bot. For example, you can try to chase and press half-dead enemy while keep firing Thunder/Orkan on reload, due to superior combined firepower. With Tarancilot it's good to pop out, shoot, hide for reload and shield regen. So IMO Orkans are better suited to be used with additional weapon like Thunder; it lacks firepower on reload cycle to be a threat for enemy, and with range of 300m and Lancelot's speed it's impossible to run away and hide. |
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Post by moody on May 24, 2017 2:07:32 GMT -5
1 thunder effective range is way less than 350m. 2 Great weapon against ancille. It's called rush into the shield. 3 How's that prevent ancille orkan? Love my ancille ork Lance. 1) Thunder can take out Ancile from 530m easily. 2) I find it hard to believe. How are you going to rush into Carnage? Or another rushed Ancilot? Very situational IMO 3) Usually reload rate dictates you how to use a bot. For example, you can try to chase and press half-dead enemy while keep firing Thunder/Orkan on reload, due to superior combined firepower. With Tarancilot it's good to pop out, shoot, hide for reload and shield regen. So IMO Orkans are better suited to be used with additional weapon like Thunder; it lacks firepower on reload cycle to be a threat for enemy, and with range of 300m and Lancelot's speed it's impossible to run away and hide. Thunder effective range vs bots - not talking about a Specifically Ancilotte killer. I use one and do well with it. Usually get whatever beacon i am after and can retreat without being destroyed. Biggest threat is galahad. I do not try to deploy it out in the open. |
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on May 24, 2017 3:01:52 GMT -5
1 thunder effective range is way less than 350m. 2 Great weapon against ancille. It's called rush into the shield. 3 How's that prevent ancille orkan? Love my ancille ork Lance. 1) Thunder can take out Ancile from 530m easily. 2) I find it hard to believe. How are you going to rush into Carnage? Or another rushed Ancilot? Very situational IMO 3) Usually reload rate dictates you how to use a bot. For example, you can try to chase and press half-dead enemy while keep firing Thunder/Orkan on reload, due to superior combined firepower. With Tarancilot it's good to pop out, shoot, hide for reload and shield regen. So IMO Orkans are better suited to be used with additional weapon like Thunder; it lacks firepower on reload cycle to be a threat for enemy, and with range of 300m and Lancelot's speed it's impossible to run away and hide. Confused? Because you say you don't have much experience of Britbots then sing from the gospel. Are you an experienced Ancile Ork Lance pilot I've tired all variations and can say Ancile Ork is a great set-up if used well. Personally prefer it to Ancile Taran as it's great for taking them down. |
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Post by Russel on May 24, 2017 3:08:27 GMT -5
1) Thunder can take out Ancile from 530m easily. 2) I find it hard to believe. How are you going to rush into Carnage? Or another rushed Ancilot? Very situational IMO 3) Usually reload rate dictates you how to use a bot. For example, you can try to chase and press half-dead enemy while keep firing Thunder/Orkan on reload, due to superior combined firepower. With Tarancilot it's good to pop out, shoot, hide for reload and shield regen. So IMO Orkans are better suited to be used with additional weapon like Thunder; it lacks firepower on reload cycle to be a threat for enemy, and with range of 300m and Lancelot's speed it's impossible to run away and hide. Thunder effective range vs bots - not talking about a Specifically Ancilotte killer. I use one and do well with it. Usually get whatever beacon i am after and can retreat without being destroyed. Biggest threat is galahad. I do not try to deploy it out in the open. Well, that marks you as a good pilot who found personalized setup and can work it well, so more kudos to you, my friend! I love guys (like, in good sense - I'm married already) who find setup that is good and stick to it. |
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Post by Russel on May 24, 2017 3:11:32 GMT -5
1) Thunder can take out Ancile from 530m easily. 2) I find it hard to believe. How are you going to rush into Carnage? Or another rushed Ancilot? Very situational IMO 3) Usually reload rate dictates you how to use a bot. For example, you can try to chase and press half-dead enemy while keep firing Thunder/Orkan on reload, due to superior combined firepower. With Tarancilot it's good to pop out, shoot, hide for reload and shield regen. So IMO Orkans are better suited to be used with additional weapon like Thunder; it lacks firepower on reload cycle to be a threat for enemy, and with range of 300m and Lancelot's speed it's impossible to run away and hide. Confused? Because you say you don't have much experience of Britbots then sing from the gospel. Are you an experienced Ancile Ork Lance pilot I've tired all variations and can say Ancile Ork is a great set-up if used well. Personally prefer it to Ancile Taran as it's great for taking them down. Well, I see that you haven't finished your sentence yet, so there might be more wisdom to it. But for now I hardly see arguments "pro" this kind of setup. And I see virtually no Orkan+Ancile Lances in top League, so I think there is some reasoning behind it you might've not discovered yet. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 6:50:10 GMT -5
Remember the 'Top Leauge' is full of LQ exploiters from [AD] and [DS]. I wouldn't consider that an accurate representation of what's really in Top.
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Post by Russel on May 24, 2017 7:06:27 GMT -5
Remember the 'Top Leauge' is full of LQ exploiters from [AD] and [DS]. I wouldn't consider that an accurate representation of what's really in Top. Well, I've been looking there for quite a long time, actually. From before the tanking plague. Can share some screens, too =) More than that, you can do a quick search to see what people are using.  And also this is good indication: More than that, I've got some comments from Strayed on Wiki regarding Lance setup, too. So, if Orkan Ancilot works for somebody and he is having fun with it - let it be! It is almost the same issue with me, I am using ECU Cossack in D2 league. Just love this trollbot. Would I advice anybody getting the ECU Cossack? No. Do I think it is the best setup? No. Am I having fun AND beacons in that locust? Yes. |
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Post by snk on May 24, 2017 7:36:58 GMT -5
Just my personal experience against Orkan Ancilot,
Plasmahad can kill it if I can keep distance 200m+ and able to backpedal. Otherwise Plasmahad can be killed if they meet at less than 200m and there are not space to backpedal.
If I see a full energy Orkan Ancilelot, my DB will strike only if there is another DB or splash shooter (my DB will just strike if it is none Ancilelot)
My Tridents Carnage will always target no energy shield target first. Except there is DB around it or another Trident shooting it.
So probably Orkan Ancilelot has some advantage as well as disadvantages vs different bot and its setup (still scissor papers rock, but order change). I see quite a lot of Orkan Ancilelot lately around the league I am playing. They definitely has a lot more defence against DB and mid range splash by given up a Thunder.
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 24, 2017 7:38:46 GMT -5
Orkan/ancile is fine if you bring it out at the right time. I've used it, it was fine. I certainly prefer the ancile/Taran, but the orkans aren't strictly bad.
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Post by Domino on May 24, 2017 7:59:26 GMT -5
Typically when you're at this level, you have the weaponry (maybe with the expection of Ancile) to play around with your build.
Looking forward to the new Energy weapons to give the game some spice.
Wow, so get a Lance before having 4 Orkans seems to be winning.
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 24, 2017 8:21:13 GMT -5
Typically when you're at this level, you have the weaponry (maybe with the expection of Ancile) to play around with your build. Looking forward to the new Energy weapons to give the game some spice. Wow, so get a Lance before having 4 Orkans seems to be winning. I wouldn't go that far. You need weapons to put on them. Adrainnnnn might play with odd builds involving punishers, but I wouldn't suggest it. |
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Post by Domino on May 24, 2017 9:33:07 GMT -5
Typically when you're at this level, you have the weaponry (maybe with the expection of Ancile) to play around with your build. Looking forward to the new Energy weapons to give the game some spice. Wow, so get a Lance before having 4 Orkans seems to be winning. I wouldn't go that far. You need weapons to put on them. Adrainnnnn might play with odd builds involving punishers, but I wouldn't suggest it. I guess what i'm trying to say is that when you're saving up for a Lance, you typically already have a couple Orkans and 4+ Tarans, 2xleveled Thunders. You may be using them on other bots but it's not like you can't use the Lance with those weapons for a while to see what you like. i.e I can replace my DB Griff with the Lance and add Orkans to it to see how I like it, if I don't put the DB Griff back in place, if I do, save up for 2 Orkans. The Ancile is a one of those things that go with Lance and maybe the Leo. |
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