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Post by Uhnonimis on May 4, 2017 12:30:46 GMT -5
The main reason people are tanking is to get a bunch of easy gold, yes?
Why not prohibit award of gold to any player from the point they enter the tanker queue to the point at which their rank next equals or exceeds the rank the player had upon entrance to the tanker queue?
Am I missing something here?
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Post by zer00eyz on May 4, 2017 12:51:57 GMT -5
The main reason people are tanking is to get a bunch of easy gold, yes?
Why not prohibit award of gold to any player from the point they enter the tanker queue to the point at which their rank next equals or exceeds the rank the player had upon entrance to the tanker queue?
Am I missing something here? It is a bad idea for a lot of reasons, but your on the right track. No gold, no changes to league score, no silver. Just make them play to get out. |
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Post by ryel on May 4, 2017 13:13:34 GMT -5
The main reason people are tanking is to get a bunch of easy gold, yes?
Why not prohibit award of gold to any player from the point they enter the tanker queue to the point at which their rank next equals or exceeds the rank the player had upon entrance to the tanker queue?
Am I missing something here? It would produce all the tankers go back to farm Bronze league again. There are several ways to tank without reaching tankers league. |
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Post by zer00eyz on May 4, 2017 13:24:27 GMT -5
lol or stay if the don't want to get out. Why would anyone? Because you would be net negative silver for it, no gold richer, and static on your league score. |
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Post by Uhnonimis on May 4, 2017 13:35:40 GMT -5
The other ways to tank that I am aware of that won't get you into the tanker queue are all basically variations of "show up with crappy bots/empty slots" or just not shooting.
The fix for this, to go along with my earlier idea, would be that once your victory percentage in your last 50 battles goes below a certain percentage, say 30%, for the sake of having an example, then just as in my opening post, the player will not be awarded any gold until the player's rank goes past a certain point, say that player's rank when their victory percentage was last over 50%.
It doesn't seem to me that either of these fixes (this one, or my opening post) would be hard to code.
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Post by TheStalker on May 4, 2017 13:50:36 GMT -5
I dont understand how does LQ affect the players in NQ.
Anyways,when you ban all payouts in LQ, tankers will find their way back to NQ. And then you know what happens, right?
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Post by Insane Demon on May 4, 2017 14:01:33 GMT -5
Just make their search for new battles longer... at least 3 minutes. Fewer battles for "tankers" throughout the day.
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Post by ewing411 on May 4, 2017 14:40:50 GMT -5
I dont understand how does LQ affect the players in NQ. Anyways,when you ban all payouts in LQ, tankers will find their way back to NQ. And then you know what happens, right? Not to meantion the newer players who don't belong in there will just have one more reason to delete this game. The point of the Leaver Que was get the problem children out of regular gameplay. Not emcourage them to spend more time manipulating regular matches. People are smarter than the system. |
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Post by critter667 on May 4, 2017 15:01:56 GMT -5
Say I am in diamond league but feeling burnt. For too long, I've been stuck running Ancilot, Stuka Griffins, and trident Furies. It's boring and repative.
I say screw it... Back to having fun. Out goes my top of the line hangar... In come the Gareth bros... A hanger of 5 level 9 Gareths with an odd mix.
I start playing and so poorly as expected. My ration of wins to losses drops as my contribution drops too. I still have the hot of earning silver and some AU and I'm having fun.
Under your system, after a while I would be spending a long time playing with no reward while my stats balance out. Why am I punished? And note I may not be placed in the leavers queue as I keep fighting but do tank.
Now what about griefers? They exist in all games. They don't care about gold or silver. All they care about is beating up newbies or those weaker. They could still derank, annoy new players and not care about the reward change. Your plan has no impact on them or their behavior because you started with the flawed premise that people only derank for easy gold.
So honestly, your idea has been mentioned before and has some merit. However it doesn't solve all ills and could hurt legitimate players who simple do a major hangar change. Is it worth it to code all your changes and waste the test effort just for a hope that it might improve stuff? I'd rather see some new ideas instead of the usual call of no reward for tankers.
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Post by sethile on May 4, 2017 15:04:08 GMT -5
You keep forgetting that all you would do is encourage Tankers to tank without triggering the LQ.
You cannot measure Tankers in a simple easy non complex fix, if at ever.
They will always get the min points required to avoid detection then Fade out the game by meching fast or waiting out timer.
Tankers are not idiots. They are maximising their benefits from known ingame mechanics.
Punishing the LQ does not punish Tankers.
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Post by Duodec on May 4, 2017 15:32:40 GMT -5
This doesn't address the main reason many people wind up in the LQ - the short and sweet is it's more fun.
I usually only drop matches I'm dumped into at 30 seconds late and bam! The rest of the day I'm having a great time where variety is the spice of life. My league standings are stagnant in gold III, I'm not deliberately playing poorly, and I'm using my best hanger (8/9 mostly).
Should I really be punished for playing in a way that allows me to have more fun?
The only way to stop tanking is to remove player performance from the matchmaking formula, which pix will not do.
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Post by Uhnonimis on May 4, 2017 17:50:45 GMT -5
If you are burnt playing high level bots, start a new account. Save the old one if you think you might want to go back to it someday.
If you want to be in the tanker queue because its fun, then you won't care if you are not earning gold, and you will play to stay in there, so we non-tankers won't care about you, until you want to get out, and then you will be playing to win and not tanking.
The two suggestions I made will, in combination, eliminate almost all tanking, by making it unprofitable to either quit games or to lose on purpose, because, in combination, they remove the easy gold made on the way back up.
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Post by sethile on May 4, 2017 19:00:53 GMT -5
You missed the point...
Your way won't stop Tanking...
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Post by The VVatcher on May 4, 2017 19:17:59 GMT -5
Say I am in diamond league but feeling burnt. For too long, I've been stuck running Ancilot, Stuka Griffins, and trident Furies. It's boring and repative. I say screw it... Back to having fun. Out goes my top of the line hangar... In come the Gareth bros... A hanger of 5 level 9 Gareths with an odd mix. I start playing and so poorly as expected. My ration of wins to losses drops as my contribution drops too. I still have the hot of earning silver and some AU and I'm having fun. Under your system, after a while I would be spending a long time playing with no reward while my stats balance out. Why am I punished? And note I may not be placed in the leavers queue as I keep fighting but do tank. Now what about griefers? They exist in all games. They don't care about gold or silver. All they care about is beating up newbies or those weaker. They could still derank, annoy new players and not care about the reward change. Your plan has no impact on them or their behavior because you started with the flawed premise that people only derank for easy gold. So honestly, your idea has been mentioned before and has some merit. However it doesn't solve all ills and could hurt legitimate players who simple do a major hangar change. Is it worth it to code all your changes and waste the test effort just for a hope that it might improve stuff? I'd rather see some new ideas instead of the usual call of no reward for tankers. It's very difficult to go below 30%. You really have to be tanking to get below that. Or playing blindfolded. |
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Post by Uhnonimis on May 4, 2017 21:05:15 GMT -5
You missed the point... Your way won't stop Tanking... I don't see that I am missing anything. It WILL stop alomost all tanking, since most will not tank if they do not get gold out of it. That is good enough for me. Of the remainder, those who tank to get into the "fun" tanker queue "FER THE LULZ" will be trying to stay in it once they get there, so there will only be a little tanking "on their way out". No one will care if you keep tanking WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY IN THE TANKER QUEUE. For those too jaded to play their five slot 12/12 hangars, who want the spice of running Destriers and Shutzes with level 1 weapons, as I mentioned, they can start a new account and just hold onto the old one once they tire of playing with us mere mortals. |
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Post by Uhnonimis on May 4, 2017 21:09:05 GMT -5
You keep forgetting that all you would do is encourage Tankers to tank without triggering the LQ. You cannot measure Tankers in a simple easy non complex fix, if at ever. They will always get the min points required to avoid detection then Fade out the game by meching fast or waiting out timer. Tankers are not idiots. They are maximising their benefits from known ingame mechanics. Punishing the LQ does not punish Tankers. This is taken care of in large part by my second proposal. |
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Post by Uhnonimis on May 4, 2017 21:13:23 GMT -5
You keep forgetting that all you would do is encourage Tankers to tank without triggering the LQ. You cannot measure Tankers in a simple easy non complex fix, if at ever. They will always get the min points required to avoid detection then Fade out the game by meching fast or waiting out timer. Tankers are not idiots. They are maximising their benefits from known ingame mechanics. Punishing the LQ does not punish Tankers. I responded to most of your points in my previous replies. As to "griefers" or "seal clubbers" if you prefer, they are different from most tankers, and would require a different fix. They are fortunately, I think, a small minority. |
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Post by blastronaut on May 4, 2017 22:06:52 GMT -5
The main reason people are tanking is to get a bunch of easy gold, yes?
Why not prohibit award of gold to any player from the point they enter the tanker queue to the point at which their rank next equals or exceeds the rank the player had upon entrance to the tanker queue?
Am I missing something here? It is a bad idea for a lot of reasons, but your on the right track. No gold, no changes to league score, no silver. Just make them play to get out. That's pretty silly. You really think Pixonic wants a large number of paying customers to quit? You might, but they don't. |
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Post by zer00eyz on May 4, 2017 23:01:06 GMT -5
It is a bad idea for a lot of reasons, but your on the right track. No gold, no changes to league score, no silver. Just make them play to get out. That's pretty silly. You really think Pixonic wants a large number of paying customers to quit? You might, but they don't. I must be psychic because they said they were doing just that shortly after I said that  |
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Post by tekkamanblade on May 5, 2017 0:58:09 GMT -5
As I tanker myself, if there's no 5 mins game easy gold in Tanking League, I will never be staying here.
Also it is faster to finish the event quest in tanking league because a capture capture, kill kill, <5min easy game is very efficient time wise.
I could sit in red base and kill all the destrier cossack in a few seconds to complete quest.
But after this event, if no gold in Tanking League, I don't see any purpose of staying there. The sick perv who enjoy bulling newbies for no actual reason is only a very very small part.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 1:30:19 GMT -5
There getting rid of rewards for tànking. Truth is, this is gonna stop tànking. No rewards, no tànking. No silver, no gold, no league points. They should still get damage, but no medals. Also, double or triple repair bills. That will stop tànking. The mechanic is shady and charges for "extra" repairs so they get a taste of their own medicine. Once they get out, they aren't eligible for any medals, but can earn silver again. Dishonourable discharge, and you think you still get medals.
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Post by TheStalker on May 5, 2017 2:20:52 GMT -5
There getting rid of rewards for tànking. Truth is, this is gonna stop tànking. No rewards, no tànking. No silver, no gold, no league points. They should still get damage, but no medals. Also, double or triple repair bills. That will stop tànking. The mechanic is shady and charges for "extra" repairs so they get a taste of their own medicine. Once they get out, they aren't eligible for any medals, but can earn silver again. Dishonourable discharge, and you think you still get medals. So, if i have been in tankers league, i get no gold rewards? Cool. I'll just stop playing. I'll move to other games. "Also, double or triple repair bills".When you do this, You're leaving them with no options except for quitting. And did you know that there are all sort of people in tankers queue? Map skippers, tankers, seal clubbers, Pilots who dont know how they got in there, new players who did not know they were not supposed to press the leave button. Yes, this may fix the problem for you. But pixonic will lose players, a lot of them. And that is not something they want in the current situation. A genuine question: Why do you want to punish Tankers in tankers queue? they are not affecting the NQ in any form. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 2:45:55 GMT -5
There getting rid of rewards for tànking. Truth is, this is gonna stop tànking. No rewards, no tànking. No silver, no gold, no league points. They should still get damage, but no medals. Also, double or triple repair bills. That will stop tànking. The mechanic is shady and charges for "extra" repairs so they get a taste of their own medicine. Once they get out, they aren't eligible for any medals, but can earn silver again. Dishonourable discharge, and you think you still get medals. So, if i have been in tankers league, i get no gold rewards? Cool. I'll just stop playing. I'll move to other games. "Also, double or triple repair bills".When you do this, You're leaving them with no options except for quitting. And did you know that there are all sort of people in tankers queue? Map skippers, tankers, seal clubbers, Pilots who dont know how they got in there, new players who did not know they were not supposed to press the leave button. Yes, this may fix the problem for you. But pixonic will lose players, a lot of them. And that is not something they want in the current situation. A genuine question: Why do you want to punish Tankers in tankers queue? they are not affecting the NQ in any form. Tànkers ruined many games I played in, and made the game a lot worse than before. I went thru seal-clubbing and got out of there as fast as I could to get into gold tier (before the league system). I was happy, and then seal-clubbers became tànkers and made all the games decided by who had the tànkers, so I get less silver and no gold. Now it didn't matter if you were a high level gold tier player, now everyone got affected and there is no way to avoid tànkers. They have their own playbox now, but why are they still given rewards for playing in such a manner. They get faster gold, silver, and league points than non-tànkers. Then they just rejoin us like nothing has happened? Sucker! YOu had to pay for premium?! Stuck in Expert, well I'm a Champion, no I mean a Legends League player Number #1 Super Awesome Look At ME. |
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Post by TheStalker on May 5, 2017 3:57:11 GMT -5
So, if i have been in tankers league, i get no gold rewards? Cool. I'll just stop playing. I'll move to other games. "Also, double or triple repair bills".When you do this, You're leaving them with no options except for quitting. And did you know that there are all sort of people in tankers queue? Map skippers, tankers, seal clubbers, Pilots who dont know how they got in there, new players who did not know they were not supposed to press the leave button. Yes, this may fix the problem for you. But pixonic will lose players, a lot of them. And that is not something they want in the current situation. A genuine question: Why do you want to punish Tankers in tankers queue? they are not affecting the NQ in any form. Tànkers ruined many games I played in, and made the game a lot worse than before. I went thru seal-clubbing and got out of there as fast as I could to get into gold tier (before the league system). I was happy, and then seal-clubbers became tànkers and made all the games decided by who had the tànkers, so I get less silver and no gold. Now it didn't matter if you were a high level gold tier player, now everyone got affected and there is no way to avoid tànkers. They have their own playbox now, but why are they still given rewards for playing in such a manner. They get faster gold, silver, and league points than non-tànkers. Then they just rejoin us like nothing has happened? Sucker! YOu had to pay for premium?! Stuck in Expert, well I'm a Champion, no I mean a Legends League player Number #1 Super Awesome Look At ME. So your concern is that they're earning more gold and silver than you? |
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Post by Payxonic on May 5, 2017 5:03:33 GMT -5
I Think tanking has been addressed by pix, NQ are happy , LQ are also happy.
Fading is the real issue, and cant be fixed. People are smart. Put a treshold and they just tank enuf but not to be in Leavers Q. Im just happy that the matches now have less tankers and faders than before
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Post by Insane Demon on May 5, 2017 5:07:56 GMT -5
I Think tanking has been addressed by pix, NQ are happy , LQ are also happy. Fading is the real issue, and cant be fixed. People are smart. Put a treshold and they just tank enuf but not to be in Leavers Q. Im just happy that the matches now have less tankers and faders than before What the heck is fading??? |
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Post by Paps on May 5, 2017 5:19:44 GMT -5
Not putting forth full effort during a match hoping to lose and drop your league score. That's how I understand the term, at least. More time consuming than honest? tanking, but also doesn't get you jammed into tanker purgatory. You're still an anchor for your team. Wrecking your teams chances to win, and providing the opposition with hollow victories. Yeehaw.
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Post by TheStalker on May 5, 2017 6:08:01 GMT -5
I Think tanking has been addressed by pix, NQ are happy , LQ are also happy. Fading is the real issue, and cant be fixed. People are smart. Put a treshold and they just tank enuf but not to be in Leavers Q. Im just happy that the matches now have less tankers and faders than before What the heck is fading??? I think that is a new term for leaving. |
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Post by elcheapo on May 5, 2017 7:56:11 GMT -5
Whats wrong with tanking exactly ? This is basic strategy 101 . Some Bot needs to be the anchor.
I am currently having an awesome time with Shield Zeus Raijin .
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Post by elcheapo on May 5, 2017 8:40:37 GMT -5
Ummm okay ...really ? A person who AFK,s or loses on purpose , pretty much any troll is a tanker ? I am a pretty old nerd myself and I never heard that term before .
Wow i need to learn cultural lingo here .
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