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Post by arakos on May 2, 2017 12:45:36 GMT -5
My son has a 7/7 RDB Griffin as his only mid range bot. It's time to upgrade it. But he has doubts because other mid range builts might be much better in the long run. Trident, Zeuses...
Are RDB Griffin good in high tiers?
Also, do you think tulumbas will be buffed and recharge as orkans some day? That would be great for this bot.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 12:46:53 GMT -5
They are decent until you start seeing Ancile Lancelots.
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Post by arakos on May 2, 2017 12:57:46 GMT -5
Thank you Dark, you are my hero (always can count on your advice).
Still doubtfull, though :b
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 13:04:45 GMT -5
The Russian Griffin is not my favorite midranger and I'd go Trident Pin Natasha or Trident Fury if I had to pick.
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Post by Why? on May 2, 2017 13:09:05 GMT -5
The Russian Griffin is not my favorite midranger and I'd go Trident Pin Natasha or Trident Fury if I had to pick. How'd feel about a Trident Carny? |
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Post by arakos on May 2, 2017 13:10:00 GMT -5
The Russian Griffin is not my favorite midranger and I'd go Trident Pin Natasha or Trident Fury if I had to pick. Trident spiral Nat might be good as well, right? I use trident carnage and like it pretty much, but for some reason my son doesn't like the carnie as much as I do... What about the buffed tulus? Wasn't that expected a while ago? |
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Post by Why? on May 2, 2017 13:12:56 GMT -5
The Russian Griffin is not my favorite midranger and I'd go Trident Pin Natasha or Trident Fury if I had to pick. Trident spiral Nat might be good as well, right? I use trident carnage and like it pretty much, but for some reason my son doesn't like the carnie as much as I do... What about the buffed tulus? Wasn't that expected a while ago? Trident Carny has less more firepower than RDB adjusted for reload times, but lacks stagger fire capability, jump and high burst yes? |
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Post by arakos on May 2, 2017 13:20:31 GMT -5
Trident spiral Nat might be good as well, right? I use trident carnage and like it pretty much, but for some reason my son doesn't like the carnie as much as I do... What about the buffed tulus? Wasn't that expected a while ago? Trident Carny has less more firepower than RDB adjusted for reload times, but lacks stagger fire capability, jump and high burst yes? I like the trident carnage because it is very maneuverable. Speed and shield as well. Also it is a cheap bot as for upgrades... |
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Post by noobcake on May 2, 2017 15:48:48 GMT -5
I have a Trident fury (8/9), an RDB (9/9), and a zeus carnage (10/10). It really comes down to what playstyle you enjoy and prefer.
My preference is mobility and flexibility. Thus I prefer the RDB griffin because it is an aggressive, opportunistic, and highly mobile ambusher which is playable on all maps. The downside is that it isn't truly amazing on any maps and the damage output is a bit underwhelming. I play this guy really aggressively and will cap beacons and push reds back. I am really hoping that the RDB gets the buff!
Others prefer the high damage output and relative safety of the TT fury. It is, in many ways, the opposite of the RDB griffin--slow and inflexible but it packs quite a punch. It is definitely not great on small maps but truly shines on the big ones.
The trident carnage is somewhere between the other two. On one hand it has similar mobility to the griffin but it has the range to play like a fury. Ultimately, it plays more like a fury but sacrificing damage output for the ability to get into positions quickly.
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Post by rustedscrap on May 2, 2017 16:05:17 GMT -5
Quad tulu doc is my midrange of choice currently. 80000 cycle damage at L12 on a platform that can move at 51km. Sucks agsinst ancils though...I fire each yulu one at a time and usually drop the shield with my 3rd or 4th weapon. Still the humble doc for its price is missing something. ...
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Post by lumpybump on May 2, 2017 16:31:33 GMT -5
If the question is should I expend a lot of Ag upgrading a Tulu/Pin Griffin, the answer is maybe? I love the RDB Griffin and I think it's a great pilot skill development bot. It's like a 3x Tulu Cossack... reminds me of my newfound Rog lust. Regardless, you can bring the Griffin up to level 9 max speed for cheap and they don't ever spoil. Both the Trident Carnage and Trident/? Natasha are probably a step up in terms of a mid-range role but the mobility/firepower combination of the Griffin makes it a keeper no matter how you play it.
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Post by arakos on May 3, 2017 1:37:00 GMT -5
Thank you all for your advice! He's going to upgrade his RDB griffin. Main reason is he likes it and finds it FUN. Also we will compete: I'll start with my trident carnage and he with his griffin and we'll take note who gets more kills game after game  BTW, I've been reading folks saying this forum is becoming toxic... those guys don't know what a toxic forum is. Again, thank you all for your advice! Arakos |
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Post by Tatamat on May 3, 2017 1:40:02 GMT -5
My son has a 7/7 RDB Griffin as his only mid range bot. It's time to upgrade it. But he has doubts because other mid range builts might be much better in the long run. Trident, Zeuses... Are RDB Griffin good in high tiers? Also, do you think tulumbas will be buffed and recharge as orkans some day? That would be great for this bot. Arakos Do you play together in a squad with your son? IMO that matters. I've started with Trident Natasha as midranger and still like it more while going solo. Higher firepower than RDB, Trident hits larger area (haven't tried Zeus yet, could be nice with Molots). Also fun testing light weps (Molots against unshielded/Anciles/midrangers, Spirals to reach behind cover, Pins for highest burst). IMO, Natasha has its viability even when Ancilots start to appear (either Zeus or Trident/Molot). However, when I play with my son, we run a RDB duo. Decent damage so you can handle Britbots without a scratch and we are able to push for beacons (two Natashas would harm beacon capping). |
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Post by infraviolet on May 3, 2017 2:13:32 GMT -5
RDB Griffin will be my primary mid-ranger until I get a TT Fury.
Can be quite effective against Garys and Gals at 350-500 M, but once they close in on you during a salvo reload you'd better hope your jump drive is ready.
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Post by arakos on May 3, 2017 3:04:21 GMT -5
My son has a 7/7 RDB Griffin as his only mid range bot. It's time to upgrade it. But he has doubts because other mid range builts might be much better in the long run. Trident, Zeuses... Are RDB Griffin good in high tiers? Also, do you think tulumbas will be buffed and recharge as orkans some day? That would be great for this bot. Arakos Do you play together in a squad with your son? IMO that matters. I've started with Trident Natasha as midranger and still like it more while going solo. Higher firepower than RDB, Trident hits larger area (haven't tried Zeus yet, could be nice with Molots). Also fun testing light weps (Molots against unshielded/Anciles/midrangers, Spirals to reach behind cover, Pins for highest burst). IMO, Natasha has its viability even when Ancilots start to appear (either Zeus or Trident/Molot). However, when I play with my son, we run a RDB duo. Decent damage so you can handle Britbots without a scratch and we are able to push for beacons (two Natashas would harm beacon capping). We play solo sometimes, but mostly in squad. Most fun |
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Post by arakos on May 3, 2017 3:08:36 GMT -5
RDB Griffin will be my primary mid-ranger until I get a TT Fury. Can be quite effective against Garys and Gals at 350-500 M, but once they close in on you during a salvo reload you'd better hope your jump drive is ready. My daughter wants me to tell you she is going to dump her TT fury for a third Lancelot. She thinks the fury is too slow and boring, regardless of it's damage output, while a RDB Griffin is fun |
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Post by BLYTHE on May 3, 2017 3:13:03 GMT -5
Hi arakos They're effective only up to a certain point--I'd say 10/10; after that your better off with a fury and re-purpose the griff with something else. I don't know if I'd transition to a trident/pin natasha; probably opt for a mid-range carnage instead and save up for a fury. |
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Post by arakos on May 3, 2017 3:18:57 GMT -5
Hi arakos They're effective only up to a certain point--I'd say 10/10; after that your better off with a fury and re-purpose the griff with something else. I don't know if I'd transition to a trident/pin natasha; probably opt for a mid-range carnage instead and save up for a fury. Thanks, Blythe. We level up our five mech at the same time, so getting to 10/10 will take time. Ok, we'll reconsider then. Hopefully, the tulus get buffed and then he'll never part with the RDB Griffin! |
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Post by Tatamat on May 3, 2017 3:57:47 GMT -5
Hi arakos They're effective only up to a certain point--I'd say 10/10; after that your better off with a fury and re-purpose the griff with something else. I don't know if I'd transition to a trident/pin natasha; probably opt for a mid-range carnage instead and save up for a fury. Thanks, Blythe. We level up our five mech at the same time, so getting to 10/10 will take time. Ok, we'll reconsider then. Hopefully, the tulus get buffed and then he'll never part with the RDB Griffin! I would not be over-optimistic regarding the buff. Even if Tulumbas starts to behave like Orkan, the damage output is IMO not high enough to really make a real difference between "fire one-by-one" and "wait till the next salvo". IMO, it makes difference with DB setup, where your prey is ofter severely damaged after one salvo (and threatens to smash you with close range weapons). Here, the continued damage output makes it losing weps or damages legs, thus bringing a significant advantage. Since you need several salvos with RDB, I'm afraid that the difference won't be that pronounced. |
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Post by arakos on May 3, 2017 4:07:05 GMT -5
Thanks, Blythe. We level up our five mech at the same time, so getting to 10/10 will take time. Ok, we'll reconsider then. Hopefully, the tulus get buffed and then he'll never part with the RDB Griffin! I would not be over-optimistic regarding the buff. Even if Tulumbas starts to behave like Orkan, the damage output is IMO not high enough to really make a real difference between "fire one-by-one" and "wait till the next salvo". IMO, it makes difference with DB setup, where your prey is ofter severely damaged after one salvo (and threatens to smash you with close range weapons). Here, the continued damage output makes it losing weps or damages legs, thus bringing a significant advantage. Since you need several salvos with RDB, I'm afraid that the difference won't be that pronounced. Correct. But it also helps timing the pins salvo with an (incomplete but still powerful) tulumbas salvo. That would help a lot... |
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Post by Tatamat on May 3, 2017 5:03:45 GMT -5
Correct. But it also helps timing the pins salvo with an (incomplete but still powerful) tulumbas salvo. That would help a lot... Indeed, you're right! Forgot about this and it's true that this makes a difference. Seems that I don't play RDB enough to be annoyed by the discrepancy in the load time  |
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Post by The VVatcher on May 3, 2017 5:30:30 GMT -5
You will see even less trident Carange than you would RDB Griffin in the high leagues.
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Post by arakos on May 3, 2017 6:37:19 GMT -5
You will see even less trident Carange than you would RDB Griffin in the high leagues. Oh, good to know. Right now I play with three carnages! Two thunders and a tridents one. One of the thunders will be replaced by a zeuses carnage very soon. I like that bot a lot and think it's cheap to upgrade, so I thought I'd try the three and if in the future I have to ditch one, it won't feel that bad... |
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Post by SoCalGrndR on May 3, 2017 9:41:09 GMT -5
You will see even less trident Carange than you would RDB Griffin in the high leagues. Oh, good to know. Right now I play with three carnages! Two thunders and a tridents one. One of the thunders will be replaced by a zeuses carnage very soon. I like that bot a lot and think it's cheap to upgrade, so I thought I'd try the three and if in the future I have to ditch one, it won't feel that bad... I have all 3 and have shelved the rdb Griffin. I run Tridents on Fury or Carnage, I like to swap around. Now I do love my Griffins, I run 2 - Stuka & db! But as you move up that 100m buffer with Tridents / Zeus becomes more and more apparent. The firepower & distance are a 1-2 punch against the rdb Griffin. Reviewing the variables the rdb comes up short around Diamond and above. I have recently moved in Expert III and the rdb Griffin does not exist. My bots are L9-10 and weapons are L10+. |
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Post by infraviolet on May 3, 2017 10:07:32 GMT -5
RDB Griffin will be my primary mid-ranger until I get a TT Fury. Can be quite effective against Garys and Gals at 350-500 M, but once they close in on you during a salvo reload you'd better hope your jump drive is ready. My daughter wants me to tell you she is going to dump her TT fury for a third Lancelot. She thinks the fury is too slow and boring, regardless of it's damage output, while a RDB Griffin is fun Maybe she's right. TT Fury might have more firepower, but an RDB Griff has more maneuverability. As for Lances, I hope to have at least two by the time I'm in Diamond league and above. |
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Post by arakos on May 3, 2017 10:14:20 GMT -5
Oh, good to know. Right now I play with three carnages! Two thunders and a tridents one. One of the thunders will be replaced by a zeuses carnage very soon. I like that bot a lot and think it's cheap to upgrade, so I thought I'd try the three and if in the future I have to ditch one, it won't feel that bad... I have all 3 and have shelved the rdb Griffin. I run Tridents on Fury or Carnage, I like to swap around. Now I do love my Griffins, I run 2 - Stuka & db! But as you move up that 100m buffer with Tridents / Zeus becomes more and more apparent. The firepower & distance are a 1-2 punch against the rdb Griffin. Reviewing the variables the rdb comes up short around Diamond and above. I have recently moved in Expert III and the rdb Griffin does not exist. My bots are L9-10 and weapons are L10+. I see, thanks for advice! |
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Post by arakos on May 3, 2017 10:17:42 GMT -5
My daughter wants me to tell you she is going to dump her TT fury for a third Lancelot. She thinks the fury is too slow and boring, regardless of it's damage output, while a RDB Griffin is fun Maybe she's right. TT Fury might have more firepower, but an RDB Griff has more maneuverability. As for Lances, I hope to have at least two by the time I'm in Diamond league and above. She doesn't play RDB anymore, but as said she liked it more than her actual fury. She's saving for the Lance and a pair of orkans for it. Will have them soon (educated guess)  |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 10:25:54 GMT -5
I would recommend a Trident Carny, but I would rather you get a RDB Griffin or Trident/Pin Natasha because they are less dangerous and easier for me to take down in battle |
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Post by snk on May 3, 2017 10:27:00 GMT -5
I bought a Tridents Carnage to replace RBD Griffin. They both have their advantage, The reason I choose Carnage because I only need to upgrade 2 Tridents, 4 weapons on Griffin.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 3, 2017 10:57:46 GMT -5
I have all 3... and rotate a lot. Currently back to Fury. For the longest time... Tri Carn and Zeus Carn were my main MR choices. Recently I put the RDB back in... at 8/9, and am loving it. I will put it back in soon... just trying to stay objective and keep my Trident skills up right now. The fun and versatility of the MR Carny is a very close second, but I would rather Thunders on it lately, and with the RDB able to provide that 3rd dimension of firing angle that helps so much on short maps, I have been really loving it. Especially on the Moon Map.
For opposition transparency - When I am running solo, I see the majority of peeps falling within the 10/10 and 9/9 range with a small amount of variation in either direction. Squadding I see anywhere from Champion on down... and RDB Griff has still held its own no matter what level.
To me, Carnage, Fury, and Griff MR role is very comparable so it comes down to preference. Each has strength and weakness... so it matters which one fits you best.
IMO, YMMV.
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