=Rogue-13=
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Post by =Rogue-13= on Apr 29, 2017 5:22:49 GMT -5
What's up war hippies...
gareth: using it as a beacon capper...
I've been using: Orkan/Piñata...
Ive come across a real pilot that used magnum for range and slew me easily
another Gareth just back peddled and I couldn't touch him.
Whats the best set up? I'm right that magnum/orkan?
I'm thinking of range now: Tumbalas/Punisher... you don't see em, maybe that is my answer?
finally, saving for a Galahad... what weapons for a damage dealing death dealer?
cheers for taking the time to answer...
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Post by Prowler on Apr 29, 2017 6:19:47 GMT -5
Orkan Magnum is the way to go for me. Did not like the Garreth at first, it sat on the bench a lot. Upgraded I gave it a 2nd chance. Tried out various set ups. All plasma (to many shielded bots) all missle than (takes to long to bring down a bubble bot. So I went hybrid. Its my favorite beacon runner now. 1 on 1 vs a plasma Garry I win every time, even beat all plasma Gallahads. My Garry is level 9 with level 10 weapons. I copied this concept on my Galahad Taran and Pinatas. The reload times means there are times you are just standing around but it works.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Apr 29, 2017 6:45:00 GMT -5
I favor the full plasma setup for both. Extra 50m range over the rockets.
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Post by snk on Apr 29, 2017 7:57:01 GMT -5
The best thing of Plasma Gareth is able to backpaddle Orkan or Piñata. Even they are coming from Gareth or Stalker, you should able to dodge them all. A skill Plasma Gareth pilot should hardly killed by Orkan/Piñata, they will kite them to death.
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lordofthesalt
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Post by lordofthesalt on Apr 30, 2017 12:55:42 GMT -5
Gareth isn't exactly for attacking in any case. TarMag is better because you can corner shoot and stay out of range of DBs. Oh, and don't make the same n00b mistake I did and just rush a beacon. Go for the low-hanging fruit or go with teammates.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Apr 30, 2017 13:08:17 GMT -5
Gareth isn't exactly for attacking in any case. TarMag is better because you can corner shoot and stay out of range of DBs. Oh, and don't make the same n00b mistake I did and just rush a beacon. Go for the low-hanging fruit or go with teammates. Ahem, they say, the best defence is a strong offence. That is also true for the Gareth. I would say, you are partially right. So, I want to rewrite your first sentence: The Gareth isn't exactly for attacking first, or attacking head on.
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lordofthesalt
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Post by lordofthesalt on Apr 30, 2017 14:55:11 GMT -5
I suppose. It's better at guerilla tactics and hit'n'run.
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crave1ne
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Post by crave1ne on May 3, 2017 12:43:39 GMT -5
I just purchased a Gareth to add to my hangar. trying to figure this thing out myself. he's at lvl 5, and still leveling him up. I have ran into several deadly gareth pilots. usually with lvl 10 and up gareths. and both rockets and plasma. Seem to run into plasma more than anything. Looking forward to leveling this little 「illegitimate child」 up!
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on May 3, 2017 13:06:37 GMT -5
I just purchased a Gareth to add to my hangar. trying to figure this thing out myself. he's at lvl 5, and still leveling him up. I have ran into several deadly gareth pilots. usually with lvl 10 and up gareths. and both rockets and plasma. Seem to run into plasma more than anything. Looking forward to leveling this little ?illegitimate child? up! Just wait, till your Gary is lvl9. Then he got his maxed speed. That is fun!!!
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mr7q
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Post by mr7q on May 3, 2017 13:20:08 GMT -5
As a beacon runner, I much prefer the Orkan/Magnum combo as you are likely to hit Gareths and Galahads pretty early on as they themselves push for beacons. Orkan is good burst and goes through shield and you can maintain some pressure with the Magnumto make them keep their shield up (and take more Orkans).
Yes, a Gareth/Stalker can outrun your Orkans, but in doing so they're running away from the beacon you're trying to grab.
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Post by elttaes on May 3, 2017 13:21:12 GMT -5
I'm a plasma user myself, run about at range, putting a few hits into this red, supporting that blue, all from a distance. When I get into trouble it's because I've closed the range too much or concentrated too much on a single target or beacon. Take a look at Lloyd Le Mar's video: Tactician/Survivalist gameplay... Tactician/Survivalist GameplayThat said, there are arguments to be made for the rocket Gareth and the hybrids. Just be aware that they each play differently. I wouldn't drastically mix ranges, though. Tulumbas/Punisher seems like it would be poor at all ranges. Basically the same goes for Galahad, they are pretty much all good builds on a good 'bot.
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Post by Jame-thon on May 3, 2017 14:58:06 GMT -5
The shield on a Gareth, would you guys think it's even useful? Because to me Gareth is all about eluding and keeping your distance while capping and slight support in given scenarios much like the stalker. Wouldn't the stalker be more useful with the slight uptick at max speed and ability?
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CLU 1.1
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Post by CLU 1.1 on May 3, 2017 15:37:09 GMT -5
The shield on a Gareth, would you guys think it's even useful? Because to me Gareth is all about eluding and keeping your distance while capping and slight support in given scenarios much like the stalker. Wouldn't the stalker be more useful with the slight uptick at max speed and ability? Yes, it's highly useful if you know how to use and position your bot correctly.
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Post by Jame-thon on May 3, 2017 15:50:03 GMT -5
The shield on a Gareth, would you guys think it's even useful? Because to me Gareth is all about eluding and keeping your distance while capping and slight support in given scenarios much like the stalker. Wouldn't the stalker be more useful with the slight uptick at max speed and ability? Yes, it's highly useful if you know how to use and position your bot correctly. lol. I appreciate the response and I understand that it's useful, but could you elaborate a bit more. I'd like to hear your perspective. In the comment you quoted, max speed of stalker is 66 to galahad's 64 if I'm not mistaken. I think you'd agree both bots aren't really confrontational bots and more eluding, maintaining distance and capping. Minor support. The extra health only comes when the shield is up. Unless you are caught in a bad situation. Wouldnt the extra speed and ability not be more effective? What would make the Gareth more useful? Corner shooting? The shield actually helps to get out of bad situations against plasma but missiles you're screwed? Thanks for any responses. ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 Would you mind giving your perspective on this? Sorry to call you out, I enjoy your opinions and I'm curious at the higher levels (gold for me) if stalker or gareth would be viable? I know it's all playstyle but I have both on the bench and I am debating on leveling them up or not to create a faster capping team to switch it up when I am bored. Which one would be more useful at gold android.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 3, 2017 16:34:51 GMT -5
Yes, it's highly useful if you know how to use and position your bot correctly. lol. I appreciate the response and I understand that it's useful, but could you elaborate a bit more. I'd like to hear your perspective. In the comment you quoted, max speed of stalker is 66 to galahad's 64 if I'm not mistaken. I think you'd agree both bots aren't really confrontational bots and more eluding, maintaining distance and capping. Minor support. The extra health only comes when the shield is up. Unless you are caught in a bad situation. Wouldnt the extra speed and ability not be more effective? What would make the Gareth more useful? Corner shooting? The shield actually helps to get out of bad situations against plasma but missiles you're screwed? Thanks for any responses. ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 Would you mind giving your perspective on this? Sorry to call you out, I enjoy your opinions and I'm curious at the higher levels (gold for me) if stalker or gareth would be viable? I know it's all playstyle but I have both on the bench and I am debating on leveling them up or not to create a faster capping team to switch it up when I am bored. Which one would be more useful at gold android. I am by no means an expert on the Gary... but... from my perspective the shield is as good as gold. Bear with me as I am in a bit of a hurry so thoughts will be typed as I go, no organizing! You have the right of it to a degree... but it's not like you will be facing non-stop rockets in Gold or Diamon on Android. There are still plenty of bots that you will be able to fight, effectively. From getting away from Plasma Griffs to Thunder Carns to Thundorkan Lances... the shield can help to keep you in good health when otherwise you would be dead. You may be asking why I included Thundorken Lances... well they provide a good example, because if you are using Gary correctly, you are not getting into his rocket range anyway, and only his Thunder will be able to hit you. The shield, while not completely stopping the spread, will stop the majority of it at 350m... which is close enough to do an unshielded bot a LOT of damage.... especially a light unshielded bot. Everyone knows Thunders really shine when closer than 200m, but the percentage of health that a light bot loses to a 350m Thunder shot in relation to its total HP pool... is significant compared to the same shot on a Leo. Gary feels those, relatively, less damaging shots a lot more than other bots. Even Thunder Carns can be overcome with the shield in an all plasma Gary, but you had better be able to keep them at 350 to 320 and utilize cover and maneuverability or your shield will pop extra fast. Sniper shots on SF and Yam and Canyon when taking the opening beacons can be completely negated... just point the shield to the red in question while it is not engaged and run... but you had better know the map enough to be able to be looking away from where you want to go and still get there! The fact that you can still use the shield with it not engaged, to me, trumps the Stalker's Stealth ability. As far as Stalker's speed... yes, 2 Km/h faster... but in the scheme of things that is rarely a factor unless racing someone to a beacon. You don't have to worry about the stalker chasing you... as most stalker pilots will run from a Gary, and rightly so... the Gary was almost a direct counter to the Stalker. Does that mean the Stalker is junk? Not at all... quite the opposite. Even in Gold and Diamond there are still a good bit of Stalkers. I know several peeps who still love them and use them in Expert. They can be quite the nuisance and are more than adequate for late game beacon grabbing. No, the Stalker is definitely still good... but the Gary just fits me better. You just have to go with what works best for you. I think the best way I know how to break it down, simply, is: Gary: is similar to the Gala in the way that it best handles confrontations... they both can outrun Orks, and dodge Aphids, and circle slower enemies, and deploy/angle that shield for plasma/bullet negation, so they are more geared towards surviving stand up fights if they get forced into action. Both are set up with all their weapons on the right side to easily be able to corner-shoot for a reason: it is an awesome tactic that they are literally made for. Add Gary's 64 Km/H speed into the equation of shield and well placed decent firepower, and it is one hell of a solution to a lot of problems! Stalker: is a bot unto itself... the amount of frustration and nuisance that this thing can cause far outweighs the damage it can cause. Never underestimate a red stalker running past the front line towards your home and side beacons. I've seen one guy tie up 4 enemies before... leaving the rest of the battlefield wide open. That stealth is tough to use well, but once you figure it out... it's extremely helpful. In conclusion... the Gary's shield is definitely worth having and, IMHO, better than the stealth ability. I have a level 9 of both bots and I can honestly say I rarely, if ever, use the Stalker anymore. If I do throw it in... I am usually asking myself "why, again, I am not using the Gary in the light bot slot?" by the 3rd or 4th game lol.
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Post by Jame-thon on May 3, 2017 17:09:23 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48Thanks for your viewpoint. I do use a Galahad in my regular lineup and he can take quite a beating defending capped beacons and corner shooting. One of my favorite bots to use as well. I think the overlap in bot family with his shield and corner shooting will be very easy to transition to and just getting use to using Gary in a slightly different way than Gala. I like your input about using the shield to block the plasma from trebs and zeus and the sprays from thunders in the orientation you are moving towards beacons which the Stalker can't do as efficiently if you have a patient sniper. But when timed right on certain maps with Stalker's ability I'm sure he can run across stretches efficiently. And yes I've seen an uptick in stalkers as well hence why i've been asking. I probably will level both to 9 at some point but i'll start with Gary for now since I got him from this event. Thanks for always providing great insight.
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CLU 1.1
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Post by CLU 1.1 on May 3, 2017 22:41:24 GMT -5
Yes, it's highly useful if you know how to use and position your bot correctly. lol. I appreciate the response and I understand that it's useful, but could you elaborate a bit more. I'd like to hear your perspective. Sorry, but this topic has been done extensively, so I am not going to elaborate (too busy playing the event), but check out these threads, they will answer almost any question you have about the Gareth: A Guide to Gary: What you need to know about the GarethGareth is the best bot in the game
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on May 3, 2017 22:45:15 GMT -5
I run plasma on my gareth. If i had a spare 1200Au, I'll be swapping that taran for an orkan (sustained dps, and hits through both types of shields)
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crave1ne
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Post by crave1ne on May 4, 2017 7:04:38 GMT -5
I run plasma on my gareth. If i had a spare 1200Au, I'll be swapping that taran for an orkan (sustained dps, and hits through both types of shields) I ran a few games with 2 lance's, 2 galahads, and a gareth. A galahad and gareth were all plasma. The second galahad was hellfire, mag with orks. I had a good time running around with them. Only problem is that my damage was low all 4 games I played. And that poor Gareth didn't make it very far at level 5. lol.
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