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Post by moody on Apr 21, 2017 9:35:03 GMT -5
I am 9/9 about a quarter the way to 10/10. I mech out a good percentage of matches. I much prefer to mech out in the 9th minute with 5 slots than the 7th minute with 4. If I have left an advantage that the reds can not correct in one minute we will win. 4 gold bots, gold weapons on the fifth. Doesn't matter at all. The 5th slot is more important. You are not quarter way to 10/10 if you buy few Au weapons and bots before 5th slot, you most likely quarter way to 10/11. In addition, you also have 5th slot. You make assumptions. For example that anybody knows what they want to level when they begin? Given your example anybody could keep levelling non gold items that will work at top tier until after they got their 5th slot. You can spend a long time on griffins, tarans, magnums, pinatas, pins, thunders and Tulumbas which are all usable at top while saving for the fifth slot. I would be quarter of the way to 10/11 if I made different choices regardless of when I got specific gold bots and weapons. I have 4 spirals at 7 for example. Not because I had nothing better to level.
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Post by snk on Apr 21, 2017 9:56:13 GMT -5
I am using 2 Piñata now on my DB Griffin, but I am thinking replace it with Aphids.
My RBD Griffin in my inventory, I have replaced it with Tridents Carnage (just don't want to waste more time upgrade 4 weapons compare to 2 Tridents, they both have its advantages, not debating Which one better)
I am not using Thunder now, but Thunder/Orkan Lancelot could be in my hanger if I have time to upgrade them (still upgrading my Tridents Carnage)
So probably only 1 Thunder I am going to use as Ag weapons in your list.
I stop upgrade my DB Griffin because I bought a Taran and Galahad, I stop upgrade my Galahad because I bought Carnage, I stop upgrade Carnage because I bought Tridents. And I will stop upgrade my Tridents to upgrade 2 more Orkans, I will stop upgrade my Orkan to upgrade Lancelot.(if I want to have Thunder/Orkan Lance). ++++++Ancilelot in my purchase list.
Question, why I didn't purchase and start to upgrade DB Griffin and Galahad before my 5th slot when I can?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 21, 2017 10:09:17 GMT -5
What makes you think I underestimate anything... did you not see the levels of the weapons I use? I made the case in a thread yesterday that level 9 weapons are good against 12s you just have to shoot a little more. That wasn't the point. The point is that you have less bots. So, when you do die, that is 1/4 of your hangar that is gone. When a 5 slot hangar loses a bot, they lose 1/5 of their fighting ability. The team with more bots, if skill and weapons are somewhat equal, will win. The MM has been better at matching levels and skill lately, for me at least, so this becomes the biggest factor. I won't have less bot, I bought my fifth slot>Orkan>Galahad. But since I bought Orkan and Galahad 2-3 months later than I can, so I have 7/7 to 9/9 hanger now. If I go for Orkan>Galahad>5th slot, I will have 10/10 or even 10/11 hanger. That is exactly my point. By the time you have 10/10 hangar, if you don't already have a 5th slot, you are a weakness to the team (obviously I am using the word " you" in a general sense, not speaking to you, directly, when I talk about the "ifs"). Hell, I say you did it right. It is not a fast game. Impatience causes bad choices. Having a 4 slot hangar at 7/7 isn't horrible. At 9/9, where most of the skill starts to really show in most players, it is. And by that same token, a 5th slot at the 7/7 range, even if filled with an RDB griff or a Punisher Griff, will impact that game more by just having that 5th slot. You become an asset if you are leveling the right Ag/WSP weapons and bots. Yes, I know it takes a while. That is on purpose. We all like to think we are good, and maybe some of us have better reflexes than others naturally, but there is something that you can only gather from playing. Experience. By grinding at the lower levels for the 5th, you are not only getting the most impactful upgrade that you can at that level, you are amassing experience that cannot be valued in game terms the same way as an Orkan or a Galahad. For example, there are bots that I swore I hated and didn't play for a long time. Then I go back to them after months of play and realize that I have gotten more knowledge of the weapons used and the maps and the bots and the Reds' likely patterns of behavior. Which allowed me to play the bot I thought sucked as it should have been played, and then I see that it wasn't that the bot sucked, it was that I did. That long grind is there to A.) hone your skills and familiarize yourself with the maps and the enemies you face, as well as B.) tempt the impatient players to spend $ to get Au. There will always be both types of players. And the ones that play to grind, will be the ones that are most skilled in most games. (Sure there are exceptions, but I mean generally) Anyway, I am just bloviating. I will get off my soapbox and let the counter arguments come forth... but I truly feel that getting the 5th, 1st, or at the MOST, 2nd, as far as Au purchases, is more beneficial than rolling with 4 bots because it is easier to upgrade them faster. The fact that you are likely to be up against the same level bots as yourself, negate any advantage to getting to those levels and better weapons, quicker. It just makes you feel like you are getting further along at a faster pace. Well, if you aren't amassing experience (read, skills) at the same time, you are hurting yourself by skipping that process. And also, like has been pointed out, the Orkans are not quite as effective at changing the experience as they used to be. I think if a player is going to do that, a Gary is the best bet. Galahad is too much at 2500... but the Gary at 1250, will get you the best Beacon runner in the game to get those beacon capture awards and get Au that way at a more regular pace. I know the arguments for buying all the Au stuff first... and I agree that a few smaller Au purchases in the process of the grind for the 5th can sometimes help a player both get there quicker and have more enjoyment (see above paragraph)... and that there is not a 1 size fits all solution. However, for the majority of folks... grinding out the slot and then getting your better bots and weapons (and therefore better damage and better results and better league advancement) will be more beneficial, since you are laying the foundation of skill and a 5 slot hangar down first, then building a house of good weapons and bots on top of that to better compete in those higher leagues. In some cases, getting the good weapons and bots too early can actually stunt your skill growth. A period of quick advancement will be followed by a stagnant portion of loss after loss as your skill doesn't keep up with your damage potential. IMO, YMMV
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Post by snk on Apr 21, 2017 10:23:06 GMT -5
I won't have less bot, I bought my fifth slot>Orkan>Galahad. But since I bought Orkan and Galahad 2-3 months later than I can, so I have 7/7 to 9/9 hanger now. If I go for Orkan>Galahad>5th slot, I will have 10/10 or even 10/11 hanger. That is exactly my point. By the time you have 10/10 hangar, if you don't already have a 5th slot, you are a weakness to the team (obviously I am using the word " you" in a general sense, not speaking to you, directly, when I talk about the "ifs"). Hell, I say you did it right. It is not a fast game. Impatience causes bad choices. Having a 4 slot hangar at 7/7 isn't horrible. At 9/9, where most of the skill starts to really show in most players, it is. And by that same token, a 5th slot at the 7/7 range, even if filled with an RDB griff or a Punisher Griff, will impact that game more by just having that 5th slot. You become an asset if you are leveling the right Ag/WSP weapons and bots. Yes, I know it takes a while. That is on purpose. We all like to think we are good, and maybe some of us have better reflexes than others naturally, but there is something that you can only gather from playing. Experience. By grinding at the lower levels for the 5th, you are not only getting the most impactful upgrade that you can at that level, you are amassing experience that cannot be valued in game terms the same way as an Orkan or a Galahad. For example, there are bots that I swore I hated and didn't play for a long time. Then I go back to them after months of play and realize that I have gotten more knowledge of the weapons used and the maps and the bots and the Reds' likely patterns of behavior. Which allowed me to play the bot I thought sucked as it should have been played, and then I see that it wasn't that the bot sucked, it was that I did. That long grind is there to A.) hone your skills and familiarize yourself with the maps and the enemies you face, as well as B.) tempt the impatient players to spend $ to get Au. There will always be both types of players. And the ones that play to grind, will be the ones that are most skilled in most games. (Sure there are exceptions, but I mean generally) Anyway, I am just bloviating. I will get off my soapbox and let the counter arguments come forth... but I truly feel that getting the 5th, 1st, or at the MOST, 2nd, as far as Au purchases, is more beneficial than rolling with 4 bots because it is easier to upgrade them faster. The fact that you are likely to be up against the same level bots as yourself, negate any advantage to getting to those levels and better weapons, quicker. It just makes you feel like you are getting further along at a faster pace. Well, if you aren't amassing experience (read, skills) at the same time, you are hurting yourself by skipping that process. And also, like has been pointed out, the Orkans are not quite as effective at changing the experience as they used to be. I think if a player is going to do that, a Gary is the best bet. Galahad is too much at 2500... but the Gary at 1250, will get you the best Beacon runner in the game to get those beacon capture awards and get Au that way at a more regular pace. I know the arguments for buying all the Au stuff first... and I agree that a few smaller Au purchases in the process of the grind for the 5th can sometimes help a player both get there quicker and have more enjoyment (see above paragraph)... and that there is not a 1 size fits all solution. However, for the majority of folks... grinding out the slot and then getting your better bots and weapons (and therefore better damage and better results and better league advancement) will be more beneficial, since you are laying the foundation of skill and a 5 slot hangar down first, then building a house of good weapons and bots on top of that to better compete in those higher leagues. In some cases, getting the good weapons and bots too early can actually stunt your skill growth. A period of quick advancement will be followed by a stagnant portion of loss after loss as your skill doesn't keep up with your damage potential. IMO, YMMV I can see your point, what I regret so much is I am earning Au faster than I can upgrade after I bought my Stalker for beacon runner. My post above yours is what I am experiencing, I have 7600Au now but my last purchased Trident Carnage just reached 7/8 hours ago and my Stalker just 7/7.(my PDB/DB Griffin and Plasmahad is higher level)
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 21, 2017 10:34:22 GMT -5
That is exactly my point. By the time you have 10/10 hangar, if you don't already have a 5th slot, you are a weakness to the team (obviously I am using the word " you" in a general sense, not speaking to you, directly, when I talk about the "ifs"). Hell, I say you did it right. It is not a fast game. Impatience causes bad choices. Having a 4 slot hangar at 7/7 isn't horrible. At 9/9, where most of the skill starts to really show in most players, it is. And by that same token, a 5th slot at the 7/7 range, even if filled with an RDB griff or a Punisher Griff, will impact that game more by just having that 5th slot. You become an asset if you are leveling the right Ag/WSP weapons and bots. Yes, I know it takes a while. That is on purpose. We all like to think we are good, and maybe some of us have better reflexes than others naturally, but there is something that you can only gather from playing. Experience. By grinding at the lower levels for the 5th, you are not only getting the most impactful upgrade that you can at that level, you are amassing experience that cannot be valued in game terms the same way as an Orkan or a Galahad. For example, there are bots that I swore I hated and didn't play for a long time. Then I go back to them after months of play and realize that I have gotten more knowledge of the weapons used and the maps and the bots and the Reds' likely patterns of behavior. Which allowed me to play the bot I thought sucked as it should have been played, and then I see that it wasn't that the bot sucked, it was that I did. That long grind is there to A.) hone your skills and familiarize yourself with the maps and the enemies you face, as well as B.) tempt the impatient players to spend $ to get Au. There will always be both types of players. And the ones that play to grind, will be the ones that are most skilled in most games. (Sure there are exceptions, but I mean generally) Anyway, I am just bloviating. I will get off my soapbox and let the counter arguments come forth... but I truly feel that getting the 5th, 1st, or at the MOST, 2nd, as far as Au purchases, is more beneficial than rolling with 4 bots because it is easier to upgrade them faster. The fact that you are likely to be up against the same level bots as yourself, negate any advantage to getting to those levels and better weapons, quicker. It just makes you feel like you are getting further along at a faster pace. Well, if you aren't amassing experience (read, skills) at the same time, you are hurting yourself by skipping that process. And also, like has been pointed out, the Orkans are not quite as effective at changing the experience as they used to be. I think if a player is going to do that, a Gary is the best bet. Galahad is too much at 2500... but the Gary at 1250, will get you the best Beacon runner in the game to get those beacon capture awards and get Au that way at a more regular pace. I know the arguments for buying all the Au stuff first... and I agree that a few smaller Au purchases in the process of the grind for the 5th can sometimes help a player both get there quicker and have more enjoyment (see above paragraph)... and that there is not a 1 size fits all solution. However, for the majority of folks... grinding out the slot and then getting your better bots and weapons (and therefore better damage and better results and better league advancement) will be more beneficial, since you are laying the foundation of skill and a 5 slot hangar down first, then building a house of good weapons and bots on top of that to better compete in those higher leagues. In some cases, getting the good weapons and bots too early can actually stunt your skill growth. A period of quick advancement will be followed by a stagnant portion of loss after loss as your skill doesn't keep up with your damage potential. IMO, YMMV I can see your point, what I regret so much is I am earning Au faster than I can upgrade after I bought my Stalker for beacon runner. My post above yours is what I am experiencing, I have 7600Au now but my last purchased Trident Carnage just reached 7/8 hours ago and my Stalker just 7/7. Yes, and that... that even proves it more... a Stalker can eliminate the need to spend ANY Au before the 5th And man... what a problem to have! Too much Au! Trust me though, what seems like a surplus will feel like not enough if you haven't bought a Lance yet, or if you want to get a Rog, and more Orks, etc., etc. But yeah, upgrades sure slow the process! All I can say is if you are just itching to speed the upgrades along bc you have that extra Au, try to only spend what you would make in a day to keep from putting yourself in the hole. If your dailies plus average beacon awards = 100 Au a day, then don't speed the upgrade unitl it drops in time left that equals that amount of Au. You will deffo have need of Au as you move up... and you never know what the new bots and weapons are going to cost...Also, a lot of TT players save the Au to speed the upgrades for levels 11-12, since they are averaging 5 days an upgrade. If you have all the bots and weapons that cost Au, and by TT you should, then it becomes not a big deal and speeding those upgrades helps with the enjoyment process... providing you have the Ag to keep starting the 20 million Ag upgrades! LOL
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Post by snk on Apr 21, 2017 10:49:20 GMT -5
I can see your point, what I regret so much is I am earning Au faster than I can upgrade after I bought my Stalker for beacon runner. My post above yours is what I am experiencing, I have 7600Au now but my last purchased Trident Carnage just reached 7/8 hours ago and my Stalker just 7/7. Yes, and that... that even proves it more... a Stalker can eliminate the need to spend ANY Au before the 5th And man... what a problem to have! Too much Au! Trust me though, what seems like a surplus will feel like not enough if you haven't bought a Lance yet, or if you want to get a Rog, and more Orks, etc., etc. But yeah, upgrades sure slow the process! All I can say is if you are just itching to speed the upgrades along bc you have that extra Au, try to only spend what you would make in a day to keep from putting yourself in the hole. If your dailies plus average beacon awards = 100 Au a day, then don't speed the upgrade unitl it drops in time left that equals that amount of Au. You will deffo have need of Au as you move up... and you never know what the new bots and weapons are going to cost...Also, a lot of TT players save the Au to speed the upgrades for levels 11-12, since they are averaging 5 days an upgrade. If you have all the bots and weapons that cost Au, and by TT you should, then it becomes not a big deal and speeding those upgrades helps with the enjoyment process... providing you have the Ag to keep starting the 20 million Ag upgrades! LOL I have almost 300 millions Ag, probably enough for now since I keep purchasing new Au or WSP weapons and bots, upgrading the low level weapons and bots is cheap. I want to get my Trident Carnage to 9/10 or 9/11 first, then hard decisions.... should I upgrade my DB/PDB Griffin and Galahad to 10/10 first or purchase 2 Orkans/Lancelot and upgrade them first? Or even 2 aphids for my DB Griffin first? I really need more time to upgrade than earning Au.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 21, 2017 11:18:23 GMT -5
Yes, and that... that even proves it more... a Stalker can eliminate the need to spend ANY Au before the 5th And man... what a problem to have! Too much Au! Trust me though, what seems like a surplus will feel like not enough if you haven't bought a Lance yet, or if you want to get a Rog, and more Orks, etc., etc. But yeah, upgrades sure slow the process! All I can say is if you are just itching to speed the upgrades along bc you have that extra Au, try to only spend what you would make in a day to keep from putting yourself in the hole. If your dailies plus average beacon awards = 100 Au a day, then don't speed the upgrade unitl it drops in time left that equals that amount of Au. You will deffo have need of Au as you move up... and you never know what the new bots and weapons are going to cost...Also, a lot of TT players save the Au to speed the upgrades for levels 11-12, since they are averaging 5 days an upgrade. If you have all the bots and weapons that cost Au, and by TT you should, then it becomes not a big deal and speeding those upgrades helps with the enjoyment process... providing you have the Ag to keep starting the 20 million Ag upgrades! LOL I have almost 300 millions Ag, probably enough for now since I keep purchasing new Au or WSP weapons and bots, upgrading the low level weapons and bots is cheap. I want to get my Trident Carnage to 9/10 or 9/11 first, then hard decisions.... should I upgrade my DB/PDB Griffin and Galahad to 10/10 first or purchase 2 Orkans/Lancelot and upgrade them first? Or even 2 aphids for my DB Griffin first? I really need more time to upgrade than earning Au. wow... All good choices! I'd go, personally, with the Lance idea. I love mine. But aphids for Griff is a fun build... Idk... Depends more on what you like to play. Imo. However I know lances are proliferating higher leagues now. Damn... Tough choices!
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Apr 21, 2017 11:24:35 GMT -5
I have enough for Chubs but it's that damn red target he seems to acquire every time I see someone else drop him that keeps me from pulling the trigger. But Hell, go for it.
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 24, 2017 7:25:07 GMT -5
But even if you don't want to spend a minute on stuff that won't be in your top hangar later, it's doable without having too weird hangars. [...] I see your point, I upgraded all my weapons and bots equally (weapons 2-3 level evenly higher than my bots). I have wasted a lot of time upgrade the things I am not using now. But only upgrade PDB Griffin will make your whole hanger weaker (higher level need more time to upgrade), which means less likely you going to earn Au reward. You have to find the right placeholders. 6/5 Thunder Pinata Leo or a 6/5 Pinata Tulu Griffin will work fine in lower leagues, an Ecu Cossack works fine as beacon capper. Punishers as placeholder for Mags, Tulus as placeholders for Orkans, Thunders as placeholders for Tridents. All come at level 5 except for the Punishers, but chances are you have some light and medium weapons levelled from the start of the game, where you really don't have anything but Molots, Punishers and Spirals. Hell, a lineup of 2x Thunder Pinata Leo, 1x RDB Griff and 1x Tulu Pinata Griffin, all level 6/5, will do very well in bronze league. Also keep in mind that damage does not increase with time. My pet account had over 400k damage in bronze, and dropped to just under 300k now in silver II, even though my levels are higher. That's just the presence of britbots and Anciles, which start in silver II and those are very common in silver I.
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 24, 2017 7:34:33 GMT -5
I would be quarter of the way to 10/11 if I made different choices regardless of when I got specific gold bots and weapons. I have 4 spirals at 7 for example. Not because I had nothing better to level. Many players underestimate the time it takes to upgrade (and that assumes that you have enough silver). Getting a (heavy) robot to level 7 takes about a week and 6-10 million silver. Getting a robot from 5 to 12 takes 8 weeks and north of 200 million. So if you upgrade 5 robots worth of junk to level 7 and then your 5 target robots to 12, you "wasted" 10% time and less than 5% silver. Personally, I'd rather have a balanced hangar and fun with it. If I want a Trident Fury down the road but I know it will take 3 months, why not use a Trident Natty and level it to 9? That takes 3 days and 5 mil silver, but you'll play with a level 9 Natty instead of a level 6 Natty for 3 months or more, plus you have a good platform for the Tridents that you're upgrading anyway. And getting the Fury to level 12 takes 15 days and 55 million.
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Post by moody on Apr 24, 2017 18:10:56 GMT -5
I would be quarter of the way to 10/11 if I made different choices regardless of when I got specific gold bots and weapons. I have 4 spirals at 7 for example. Not because I had nothing better to level. Many players underestimate the time it takes to upgrade (and that assumes that you have enough silver). Getting a (heavy) robot to level 7 takes about a week and 6-10 million silver. Getting a robot from 5 to 12 takes 8 weeks and north of 200 million. So if you upgrade 5 robots worth of junk to level 7 and then your 5 target robots to 12, you "wasted" 10% time and less than 5% silver. Personally, I'd rather have a balanced hangar and fun with it. If I want a Trident Fury down the road but I know it will take 3 months, why not use a Trident Natty and level it to 9? That takes 3 days and 5 mil silver, but you'll play with a level 9 Natty instead of a level 6 Natty for 3 months or more, plus you have a good platform for the Tridents that you're upgrading anyway. And getting the Fury to level 12 takes 15 days and 55 million. I actually did that. Have the aforementioned level 9 Nat. i am still upping way more than the '5 bot top tier' hangar. I keep replacing my stuka with second plasmahad. I have intentions of a second lance which would get me an all Brit bot hangar, but I will still bring up Stuka and two carnage.
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Post by Insane Demon on Apr 25, 2017 19:21:40 GMT -5
I'm new (11 days of playing), so I'm no expert, but I've been giving this some thought... weapons >>>>> 5th slot. Why? Because stronger players won't get as much silver if they only kill 4 instead of 5 of your robots. I'm not going to buy the 5th slot until I've upgraded enough weapons to level 8. I'm not going to supply stronger players more silver. Neither should any of you. Wait until you're strong enough to beat them with 4 robots instead of 5.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 19:32:10 GMT -5
I'll keep this short and won't even bother to put forth arguments: Get the 5th slot before buying ANY gold weapons or robots. We can argue until the Cossacks come home but there's a reason all veterans of this game say the same thing. Heck, a hangar of 5 plasma Griffins (all silver+wsp bots and weapons) could be useful - if slightly odd - at any level of the game.
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Post by Insane Demon on Apr 25, 2017 19:44:59 GMT -5
Well, if you and your teammates are dropping like dead flies while the other team is still in there 1st or 2nd robots with 7 minutes still on the timer... don't deploy your 5th. Don't feed them damage points. Fighting until your hangar is empty isn't always the right decision if you're losing (all beacons are red and you're outnumbered). The advice on this forum seems to come from players who are in desperate need of silver.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 19:55:27 GMT -5
Well, if you and your teammates are dropping like dead flies while the other team is still in there 1st or 2nd robots with 7 minutes still on the timer... don't deploy your 5th. Don't feed them damage points. Fighting until your hangar is empty isn't always the right decision if you're losing (all beacons are red and you're outnumbered). The advice on this forum seems to come from players who are in desperate need of silver. Respectfully, the advice on this forum is generally given freely and with good intent to help pilots make decisions that will ultimately benefit them. Regarding your thoughts on silver, not dropping extra bots in the face of stiffer competition will have a larger impact on your own ability to not gain as much silver than it would in feeding others. And having the 5th slot is beneficial to your hangar in so many ways - variety of weapons/mechs, longevity in the fight, dialing up your aggression in a fight, damage output, and the ability to win more games by not meching out before the red team, more gold, more silver, etc, etc. That said, by all means, travel the road that best suits you. There is no right or wrong path. Some are just more scenic than others. But please do not conclude after a single day here that there is anything but good intentions behind the advice given to the players that visit. Cheers, and welcome to the forums.
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Post by Insane Demon on Apr 25, 2017 20:07:44 GMT -5
Well, if you and your teammates are dropping like dead flies while the other team is still in there 1st or 2nd robots with 7 minutes still on the timer... don't deploy your 5th. Don't feed them damage points. Fighting until your hangar is empty isn't always the right decision if you're losing (all beacons are red and you're outnumbered). The advice on this forum seems to come from players who are in desperate need of silver. Respectfully, the advice on this forum is generally given freely and with good intent to help pilots make decisions that will ultimately benefit them. Regarding your thoughts on silver, not dropping extra bots in the face of stiffer competition will have a larger impact on your own ability to not gain as much silver than it would in feeding others. And having the 5th slot is beneficial to your hangar in so many ways - variety of weapons/mechs, longevity in the fight, dialing up your aggression in a fight, damage output, and the ability to win more games by not meching out before the red team, more gold, more silver, etc, etc. That said, by all means, travel the road that best suits you. There is no right or wrong path. Some are just more scenic than others. But please do not conclude after a single day here that there is anything but good intentions behind the advice given to the players that visit. Cheers, and welcome to the forums. The focus should be on upgrading (more health + more damage) for longevity... winning with fewer bots, not more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 20:31:17 GMT -5
Insane Demon, upgrading and buying slots are not mutually exclusive. One takes ag, the other au. You don't have to not upgrade to run a full 5. Enjoy the game!
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Post by Insane Demon on Apr 25, 2017 21:05:40 GMT -5
Insane Demon , upgrading and buying slots are not mutually exclusive. One takes ag, the other au. You don't have to not upgrade to run a full 5. Enjoy the game! Lol I know! Sorry, I'm a bit drunk and was talking about the wrong thing... but I guess can I play it off and say I meant upgrading from Ag robots/weapons to Au robots/weapons. I know you don't care, but I just played a match where I only played with 2 of 4 bots because I was the last player on my team alive and couldn't win it for my team 1 v. 5. Came in 3rd for most damage (350k+) on my team. This is in Silver III. I say that to say this... I didn't get any gold, but I saved silver by not having to repair 4 damaged heavy bots. Much thanks to you Heavy Panda for being so respectful to a noob. I'm not used to this treatment.
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Post by 89sekhmet89 on Apr 26, 2017 17:09:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure that the more experienced players are taking into account the potentially wide disparities between where they are league-wise and where newer players who ask this type of question are. This is important because at the lower league levels, a fifth slot just doesn't make sense. I am in Silver III, and the vast majority of matches that have been won by killing off the other team haven't been because one side had an additional hangar slot. Instead, it's been because one side has an abundance of good weapons while the other doesn't, and sometimes because of tanking. It makes sense that the former issue would decrease as the leagues increase since WSP is chiefly a time-dependent item.
Anyway, a fifth slot doesn't help when all your teammates have been decimated by WSP and gold weapons. Now, you could be patient and wait for your eventual WSP weapons. However, another thing that more experienced players have to consider is that not everybody plays as often or as well as everyone else, nor is everyone concerned with league advancement. If a person is going to be in Silver for a while, there doesn't seem to be a great reason in my opinion to get a fifth slot that isn't needed and won't be used unless facing an overpowered enemy - in which case I feel weapons are a greater asset.
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Post by Insane Demon on Apr 26, 2017 17:21:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure that the more experienced players are taking into account the potentially wide disparities between where they are league-wise and where newer players who ask this type of question are. This is important because at the lower league levels, a fifth slot just doesn't make sense. I am in Silver III, and the vast majority of matches that have been won by killing off the other team haven't been because one side had an additional hangar slot. Instead, it's been because one side has an abundance of good weapons while the other doesn't, and sometimes because of tanking. It makes sense that the former issue would decrease as the leagues increase since WSP is chiefly a time-dependent item. Anyway, a fifth slot doesn't help when all your teammates have been decimated by WSP and gold weapons. Now, you could be patient and wait for your eventual WSP weapons. However, another thing that more experienced players have to consider is that not everybody plays as often or as well as everyone else, nor is everyone concerned with league advancement. If a person is going to be in Silver for a while, there doesn't seem to be a great reason in my opinion to get a fifth slot that isn't needed and won't be used unless facing an overpowered enemy - in which case I feel weapons are a greater asset. Thank you so much for posting this. This is what I was trying to articulate last night, but... I was intoxicated.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Apr 29, 2017 4:16:16 GMT -5
5th slot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 9:18:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure that the more experienced players are taking into account the potentially wide disparities between where they are league-wise and where newer players who ask this type of question are. This is important because at the lower league levels, a fifth slot just doesn't make sense. I am in Silver III, and the vast majority of matches that have been won by killing off the other team haven't been because one side had an additional hangar slot. Instead, it's been because one side has an abundance of good weapons while the other doesn't, and sometimes because of tanking. It makes sense that the former issue would decrease as the leagues increase since WSP is chiefly a time-dependent item. Anyway, a fifth slot doesn't help when all your teammates have been decimated by WSP and gold weapons. Now, you could be patient and wait for your eventual WSP weapons. However, another thing that more experienced players have to consider is that not everybody plays as often or as well as everyone else, nor is everyone concerned with league advancement. If a person is going to be in Silver for a while, there doesn't seem to be a great reason in my opinion to get a fifth slot that isn't needed and won't be used unless facing an overpowered enemy - in which case I feel weapons are a greater asset. You're right about this. Still, Orkans kinda suck until you have them at high level anyway, so in context of the original question I'll stick to rooting for 5th slot.
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Post by cheap on Apr 30, 2017 5:14:21 GMT -5
5th slot. lost many a matches due to team meching out cause they don't have the 5th even the 4th slot.i think it would help get the win and thus more gold for that orkan.
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Post by 89sekhmet89 on Apr 30, 2017 12:38:38 GMT -5
5th slot. lost many a matches due to team meching out cause they don't have the 5th even the 4th slot.i think it would help get the win and thus more gold for that orkan. Yeah, a good number of people in my matches still have only three slots. However, I've taken second in damage to such people, so I don't judge. I'm more irritated when I see that the first WSP purchase is a bot.
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Post by War Child on May 1, 2017 6:53:43 GMT -5
For simplicity sake
5th slot: Pros: Useful at ANY map Much more hanger diversity Can keep you alive the whole match Huge factor for wining the team
Cons: None
Orkans: Pros: Counter against shield bots
Cons: You can miss a salvo and do zero damage Only shines at knifing maps Tarans can be used as alternatives Very prone to attackers after a salvo
Pick 5th slot m8
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Post by snk on May 1, 2017 7:25:22 GMT -5
For simplicity sake 5th slot: Pros: Useful at ANY map Much more hanger diversity Can keep you alive the whole match I stop here, the last sentence is a lie. 5th slot may last you around 20% longer in the match, it can't keep you alive the whole match. Not even if you have 3 homing missiles and 2 sniper, because when you are the last one on the field, every red is after you. Your bots need to last avg 2mins 30secs if you only have 4 slot, 2mins if you have 5 slot. There is disadvantages buying 5 slot first, your can't upgrade your premium bots and weapons asap. Orkan is one of the best weapons in this game, check the legend league, most people in the league using around 4 Orkans probably out of 7- 8 medium hard point. That 50%.
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Post by moody on May 1, 2017 17:09:02 GMT -5
For simplicity sake 5th slot: Pros: Useful at ANY map Much more hanger diversity Can keep you alive the whole match I stop here, the last sentence is a lie. 5th slot may last you around 20% longer in the match, it can't keep you alive the whole match. Not even if you have 3 homing missiles and 2 sniper, because when you are the last one on the field, every red is after you. Your bots need to last avg 2mins 30secs if you only have 4 slot, 2mins if you have 5 slot. There is disadvantages buying 5 slot first, your can't upgrade your premium bots and weapons asap. Orkan is one of the best weapons in this game, check the legend league, most people in the league using around 4 Orkans probably out of 7- 8 medium hard point. That 50%. At the level of play where most people are looking at 5th slot, an orkan is less useful than at top tier. For a long time while I was still using mediums I had three boas. 2 thunder taran and 1 thunder orkan. The thunder Taran outshone the thunder Orkan by a long shot - especially with silver mediums and heavies as opponents. Sure the Orkan is really useful in top tier - mine shine at level 9 and 10. It's not really pertinent down there. Additionally a 5th slot give you options of which bot to field. If meching out is the difference between your side winning and losing - keeping a destrier going is going to be better than nothing.
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Post by snk on May 1, 2017 21:09:25 GMT -5
I stop here, the last sentence is a lie. 5th slot may last you around 20% longer in the match, it can't keep you alive the whole match. Not even if you have 3 homing missiles and 2 sniper, because when you are the last one on the field, every red is after you. Your bots need to last avg 2mins 30secs if you only have 4 slot, 2mins if you have 5 slot. There is disadvantages buying 5 slot first, your can't upgrade your premium bots and weapons asap. Orkan is one of the best weapons in this game, check the legend league, most people in the league using around 4 Orkans probably out of 7- 8 medium hard point. That 50%.p At the level of play where most people are looking at 5th slot, an orkan is less useful than at top tier. For a long time while I was still using mediums I had three boas. 2 thunder taran and 1 thunder orkan. The thunder Taran outshone the thunder Orkan by a long shot - especially with silver mediums and heavies as opponents. Sure the Orkan is really useful in top tier - mine shine at level 9 and 10. It's not really pertinent down there. Additionally a 5th slot give you options of which bot to field. If meching out is the difference between your side winning and losing - keeping a destrier going is going to be better than nothing. Orkans have double the damage of Piñata, they even come with better reload method. Compare damage wise, level 10 Taran damage per reload cycle is 58880 (14.4 seconds), Magnum has 44064 damage in 14.4 seconds. Taran has 33.6% more damage compare to Magnum. Orkans has almost 100% more damage compare to Piñata, compare to 33.6% Taran, Orkan is much bigger upgrade than Taran. I am not saying Taran isn't good, it is one of the best weapon against none shield bot. But Orkan also one of the best weapons against shields bots. I am not saying 5th slot isn't important. But saying having 5th slot will never merch out is simply not true. I have seen too many 4 slots player play until end of the match while 5 slots player merch out. Having 5th slot hanger may just have maximum 20% time in battle field (if your 5 bots/weapons type and level is as good as 4 bots player, definitely not likely). Can a Lancelot and Galahad defeat 2 PDB Griffin before being killed? YES, they most likely can if the Lancelot/Galahad meet them one after another one.
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Post by moody on May 1, 2017 21:47:59 GMT -5
At the level of play where most people are looking at 5th slot, an orkan is less useful than at top tier. For a long time while I was still using mediums I had three boas. 2 thunder taran and 1 thunder orkan. The thunder Taran outshone the thunder Orkan by a long shot - especially with silver mediums and heavies as opponents. Sure the Orkan is really useful in top tier - mine shine at level 9 and 10. It's not really pertinent down there. Additionally a 5th slot give you options of which bot to field. If meching out is the difference between your side winning and losing - keeping a destrier going is going to be better than nothing. Orkans have double the damage of Piñata, they even come with better reload method. Compare damage wise, level 10 Taran damage per reload cycle is 58880 (14.4 seconds), Magnum has 44064 damage in 14.4 seconds. Taran has 33.6% more damage compare to Magnum. Orkans has almost 100% more damage compare to Piñata, compare to 33.6% Taran, Orkan is much bigger upgrade than Taran. I am not saying Taran isn't good, it is one of the best weapon against none shield bot. But Orkan also one of the best weapons against shields bots. I am not saying 5th slot isn't important. But saying having 5th slot will never merch out is simply not true. I have seen too many 4 slots player play until end of the match while 5 slots player merch out. Having 5th slot hanger may just have maximum 20% time in battle field (if your 5 bots/weapons type and level is as good as 4 bots player, definitely not likely). Can a Lancelot and Galahad defeat 2 PDB Griffin before being killed? YES, they most likely can if the Lancelot/Galahad meet them one after another one. Paragraphs? I never said anything about never getting meched out with 5 slots. I never said anything about an orkan not being good. With some clever piloting the plasma galahad can beat 2 PDB griffin at once before being killed. I would not guarantee the Lancelot.
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Post by snk on May 2, 2017 4:50:50 GMT -5
Orkans have double the damage of Piñata, they even come with better reload method. Compare damage wise, level 10 Taran damage per reload cycle is 58880 (14.4 seconds), Magnum has 44064 damage in 14.4 seconds. Taran has 33.6% more damage compare to Magnum. Orkans has almost 100% more damage compare to Piñata, compare to 33.6% Taran, Orkan is much bigger upgrade than Taran. I am not saying Taran isn't good, it is one of the best weapon against none shield bot. But Orkan also one of the best weapons against shields bots. I am not saying 5th slot isn't important. But saying having 5th slot will never merch out is simply not true. I have seen too many 4 slots player play until end of the match while 5 slots player merch out. Having 5th slot hanger may just have maximum 20% time in battle field (if your 5 bots/weapons type and level is as good as 4 bots player, definitely not likely). Can a Lancelot and Galahad defeat 2 PDB Griffin before being killed? YES, they most likely can if the Lancelot/Galahad meet them one after another one. Paragraphs? I never said anything about never getting meched out with 5 slots. I never said anything about an orkan not being good. With some clever piloting the plasma galahad can beat 2 PDB griffin at once before being killed. I would not guarantee the Lancelot. I was quoting the other guys before you quote me. He simply giving misleading information. I was losing a match due to my team mate mech out, when the red team has 3 people without 5th slot and my team only has 1. I was simply saying having 5th slot will last you the whole match is wrong. Check the guy post that I was quoting then you know what I mean.
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