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Post by blastronaut on Apr 9, 2017 9:20:04 GMT -5
So I made a new account to investigate League Scoring. Here are the results: Winning team gets the same points in all leagues: Winners| Place | Points | 1st
| +18 | | 2nd | +16 | | 3rd | +15 | | 4th | +14 | | 5th | +13 | | 6th | +12 |
The losing side is where it gets interesting: Losers| Place | Recruit & Private | Bronze | Silver + | | 1st | +4 | -6 | -12 | | 2nd | +4 | -6 | -13 | | 3rd | +3 | -7 | -14 | | 4th | +3 | -7 | -15 | | 5th | +2 | -8 | -16 | | 6th | +2 | -8 | -18 |
What does it mean? Every game played under Silver 3 league is adding points to the system:
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Private | ---Bronze--- | --- Silver + --- | | Points awarded | +88 + +18 | +88 + -42 | +88 + -88 | | Added League Points | +106 | +46 | 0 |
In short, points are supplied by clubbing n00bs as they enter Silver league play. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you think this is the best way to add points to the system? How would you do things differently? Please discuss. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 9:22:46 GMT -5
I would give the last player on the winning team and the first player on the losing team 0 points for silver+.
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Post by blastronaut on Apr 9, 2017 9:29:10 GMT -5
I would give the last player on the winning team and the first player on the losing team 0 points for silver+. I'm in favor of this, but it doesn't change where points are generated from. I think adjusting the 1st loser to -2 points in Silver + would be enough. Adds +10 per match to the system (from the Top). To compensate just reduce the rewards to the winning side in Bronze league and Below i.e. 6th place winner only gets +2. (Reduces the point contribution from the bottom by 10 points per match) |
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Apr 9, 2017 11:27:08 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I don't see the problem here.
Considering league points are not a currency, even heavily inflationary point distrinution doesn't really make any difference to the game.
At worst, one migh argue that recruits are sent to silver league too soon, but considering I still see maxed hangars in recruit league, doesn't make muh of a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 11:27:40 GMT -5
Not really sure what you're getting at. All leagues have points generated from nothing.
My opinion is that the league needs to follow a sound format. +3 for a win 0 for a loss. bye bye Tanking.
Gain X amount of points to more up a division.
At the month start, everyone is set to 0.
Yes, newbies will be clubbed during the first week or so (your time to shine) after that, they'll get matched with the more core players.
It'd be easy enough to make up to Bronze the newbies leagues. Anything 6 or above (plus gold bots) starts in silver.
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Post by blastronaut on Apr 9, 2017 11:55:35 GMT -5
AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] I never said there was a problem, but most here like to whine about n00bs getting clubbed. Point systems that don't generate all the points from the very bottom (new players) exist. I thought it would be an interesting discussion.
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Post by zer00eyz on Apr 9, 2017 12:01:14 GMT -5
MM is ELO, ELO faces deflation issues and you have to inject points into the system.
The problem is injecting them at the bottom isn't always a smart thing to do. Right now the people in legends league are accumulating points at a fast clip, creating downward pressure on every one in lower leagues ...
The current point distribution doesn't filter on damage any more, rather winning so if your a high damage looser your in a great position to farm gold!
This need to move points through the system is why you get thrown in with wolves some times, or have streaks of wins other times. My only question is did they program it that way or is just an artifact of the math involved to keep things working.
K-factor would fix SOME of this, slowing the motion of points. However league score calculations would require a calculator, and no one wants to have to do that (we would all end up confused and pissed off).
The above changes are a basic admission that the system is points starving, and not behaving the way Pix though it would. The reality is that they are going to have to make more changes because all they are doing is pushing noobs in with sharks. Without a massive set of data it is hard to say what should be done, but I can tell you already that this isn't enough to prop the system up.
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Post by zer00eyz on Apr 9, 2017 12:03:05 GMT -5
Not really sure what you're getting at. All leagues have points generated from nothing. My opinion is that the league needs to follow a sound format. +3 for a win 0 for a loss. bye bye Tanking. Gain X amount of points to more up a division. At the month start, everyone is set to 0. Yes, newbies will be clubbed during the first week or so (your time to shine) after that, they'll get matched with the more core players. It'd be easy enough to make up to Bronze the newbies leagues. Anything 6 or above (plus gold bots) starts in silver. You would be better off isolating the level 12 players and injecting points there. Any 12 gear gets you put in master or expert and you can't fall lower with it in your hanger... solve the points issue closer to the source of the problem (legends league). |
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Apr 9, 2017 12:10:09 GMT -5
You would be better off isolating the level 12 players and injecting points there. Any 12 gear gets you put in master or expert and you can't fall lower with it in your hanger... solve the points issue closer to the source of the problem (legends league). That's a very, Very, VERY clumsy way to fix the issue... but yeah, that'd work too and would solve par of the tanking ditching... because, let's not forget, it's not only seals being thrown at the sharks, it's also sharks swimming upstream to the seals. A lot of those. |
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Post by zer00eyz on Apr 9, 2017 12:25:10 GMT -5
You would be better off isolating the level 12 players and injecting points there. Any 12 gear gets you put in master or expert and you can't fall lower with it in your hanger... solve the points issue closer to the source of the problem (legends league). That's a very, Very, VERY clumsy way to fix the issue... but yeah, that'd work too and would solve par of the tanking ditching... because, let's not forget, it's not only seals being thrown at the sharks, it's also sharks swimming upstream to the seals. A lot of those. Yea, full on clumsy, but it solves the problem closer to the source without having to go "k factor"... there needs to be other places to inject points into the system, and it is impossible to figure out a "better way" without pix's data. I wonder how many people have seen a lift to their league score since this change. |
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Apr 10, 2017 14:26:59 GMT -5
That's a very, Very, VERY clumsy way to fix the issue... but yeah, that'd work too and would solve par of the tanking ditching... because, let's not forget, it's not only seals being thrown at the sharks, it's also sharks swimming upstream to the seals. A lot of those. Yea, full on clumsy, but it solves the problem closer to the source without having to go "k factor"... there needs to be other places to inject points into the system, and it is impossible to figure out a "better way" without pix's data. I wonder how many people have seen a lift to their league score since this change. I have. I slid into Silver 1 from Silver 2 without any change in my gear. |
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Post by cakeordeath on Apr 10, 2017 14:37:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I don't see the problem here. Considering league points are not a currency, even heavily inflationary point distrinution doesn't really make any difference to the game. At worst, one migh argue that recruits are sent to silver league too soon, but considering I still see maxed hangars in recruit league, doesn't make muh of a difference. Those maxed hangars in recruit and private league should inexorably be pushed out with every game they play if loses generate points. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 10, 2017 14:38:36 GMT -5
Every time I see this thread title pop back up to the top, I think, "well son, when a daddy league and a mommy league fall in love..."
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Post by cakeordeath on Apr 10, 2017 14:41:06 GMT -5
If recruit and private league can't go down in points, what are the first several hundred league points for? Or rather, how many league points does a brand spanking new entrant into recruit league have? Anything below that number is now just irrelevant inflation of the scores.
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Post by blastronaut on Apr 10, 2017 14:58:33 GMT -5
If recruit and private league can't go down in points, what are the first several hundred league points for? Or rather, how many league points does a brand spanking new entrant into recruit league have? Anything below that number is now just irrelevant inflation of the scores. I think I was at 399 when I entered League Play. But you could start at Zero because everybody gets points in every match when they are new. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 15:01:07 GMT -5
There really shouldn't be any major relegation possible if Pix really wanted to stick with the current "best hangar" thinking. Make the league challenges more substantial, then allow players to move up and down within the sub-tiers of that league (e.g. Silver I, II and III) until they have built up enough power to progress again. No one needs to go back to Bronze unless they weren't really Silver-worthy, and a more substantial challenge could make that more clear. I'd also add a basic gear test to the mix, but Pix's actions have made it loud-and-clear that they don't want to go that way.
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Post by zer00eyz on Apr 10, 2017 15:12:07 GMT -5
Every time I see this thread title pop back up to the top, I think, "well son, when a daddy league and a mommy league fall in love..." Does this mean it is going to take 9 months to get a working league system? Or are we breading BREEDING blue whales so 11 months? Edit: cakeordeath got two jokes in at my expense... I'm laughing my ?bum-bum? off! |
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Post by cakeordeath on Apr 10, 2017 15:15:48 GMT -5
Every time I see this thread title pop back up to the top, I think, "well son, when a daddy league and a mommy league fall in love..." Does this mean it is going to take 9 months to get a working league system? Or are we breading blue whales so 11 months? I'd like my breaded whale fried rather than baked. |
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Post by zer00eyz on Apr 10, 2017 15:24:35 GMT -5
Does this mean it is going to take 9 months to get a working league system? Or are we breading blue whales so 11 months? I'd like my breaded whale fried rather than baked. Whale sashimi, no cooking needed! |
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Post by cakeordeath on Apr 10, 2017 15:30:15 GMT -5
I'd like my breaded whale fried rather than baked. Whale sashimi, no cooking needed! Possibly delicious but raw breading... ? |
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Apr 10, 2017 15:51:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I don't see the problem here. Considering league points are not a currency, even heavily inflationary point distrinution doesn't really make any difference to the game. At worst, one migh argue that recruits are sent to silver league too soon, but considering I still see maxed hangars in recruit league, doesn't make muh of a difference. Those maxed hangars in recruit and private league should inexorably be pushed out with every game they play if loses generate points. yes, thats why they are all in bronze and silver. |
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Post by blastronaut on Apr 10, 2017 15:54:54 GMT -5
Those maxed hangars in recruit and private league should inexorably be pushed out with every game they play if loses generate points. yes, thats why they are all in bronze and silver. There IS a way around it. But Pixonic started banning accounts of people who were doing it. It is an actual loophole/exploit unlike leaving matches. |
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Apr 10, 2017 15:59:58 GMT -5
I dont want to know it. Not that I'd use it, but it would annoy me more than I already am.
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Post by cakeordeath on Apr 10, 2017 16:10:25 GMT -5
Every time I see this thread title pop back up to the top, I think, "well son, when a daddy league and a mommy league fall in love..." Does this mean it is going to take 9 months to get a working league system? Or are we breading BREEDING blue whales so 11 months? Edit: cakeordeath got two jokes in at my expense... I'm laughing my ?bum-bum? off! Glad to be of service!  |
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