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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Apr 6, 2017 9:17:27 GMT -5
For me in iOS Diamond III, 234 tracked games in we have tankers present just shy of 44% of the time, skewing the game highly in one direction or another. That stinks but I'm personally still generally having fun as I run what I want or feel is best for my dailies (my light lineup 72% of the time).
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Post by GuitarGuy on Apr 6, 2017 9:30:00 GMT -5
I am currently in MIII and as Boomsplat and others in similar leagues are stating, The MM can get very out of wack, mixing champion and gold players in the same match. Personally, I think one reason the Expert and Master Leagues are so hard is many former silver tier pilots are tanking and those players arent around for us in either red or blue and the MM has to struggle to fill the spots. One thing I have noticed and has helped some is paying attention to the MM searching for players timer. When the MM takes less than 5 seconds to decide a match, Most of the time I am placed on the random side of a 4 to 6 squad on the other side. When the MM takes upwards of 30 seconds to match up, I find the games a lot more balanced and less chance of running up on a full squad. I dont mind losing in a fair match, but when Im put up against a full squad of Master and champion players and my side with expert, diamond and even gold players mixed in, I feel like the MM is basically forcing a loss on me.
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Post by SThor on Apr 6, 2017 12:45:14 GMT -5
I see stuff like this from time to time albeit not this extreme and it's not frequent enough to ruin anything for me, but... I have not seen anything this bad before ?. Three on blue team and two on red were two and three slot hangars, very unfair to them ?. SThor
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Post by tagnal on Apr 6, 2017 14:46:51 GMT -5
Certain times of days is better than others. Later at night, the MM is way off. I'm 7/8-9 in expert 3 and last night when I played a game, I got thrown into a match of Champions. Other side was a squad of Thunder and TW all champions. My side had 3 expert players as well as ChainFire, BasedGod, and one other champion. Needless to say, all I was that game was free dmg to the other side. Another match had gold to master players on both sides. During the day, it is more balanced with mostly diamond - expert players.
Regarding droppers/tankers, there is at least one in almost 50% of my games.
Will have to see if that changes now that the new penalties are active.
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Post by SThor on Apr 6, 2017 15:31:09 GMT -5
What penalties are those? I understood the "Leaver League" to be a myth? ?
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Post by GuitarGuy on Apr 6, 2017 16:10:28 GMT -5
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 6, 2017 16:15:26 GMT -5
</div>Not to be a smartarse, but could you not make the claim that when the matchmaker seeds your opponents with expert, diamond, and even gold players, they're forcing a win on you? In other words, is it bad 50/50 (give or take)?
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Post by SThor on Apr 6, 2017 16:55:45 GMT -5
Depends... For the few recent games I've played tonight I personally seem to lose more than win. The seeding from lower leagues is not just within the opposition, you get teammates with "performance issues" ? SThor
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Post by SThor on Apr 6, 2017 17:20:39 GMT -5
BTW, one of those was a Bronze league player with 0 average damage, 0 average kills and a 36% win rate, 2997 wins though ?.
I sometimes skip maps I dislike, before the 15 second timer expires, to play the ones I prefer. I thought the game will then replace me with another player, does this not happen? Is this the "tanker league"? Am I a tanker now?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 20:46:52 GMT -5
Been playing awhile tonight after reading that Leaver protection has been invoked. A couple of things I have noticed, one is it seems to be taking longer to setup a match, usually 35 to 45 seconds, which I don't have a problem with. Another is they seem to be balanced matches. They also seem to be wide ranging in League ranking still. I have seen from Champion down to Diamond 1, that is on both sides. Of course a small squad of two or three throws this out of whack a little. Never will understand why a Master or Champion will draw a lower League player into a tough fight. Maybe to teach or see what it takes to be successful. Won't hazard a guess at what the actual reason is though. Also for the first time I saw a lot of different player names than usual.
I haven't seen any greyghost tonight. I did see one player who apparently had a disconnect. I base this on the fact that he was moving forward and just froze in mid step while firing his weapons. Unfortunately we were still moving out from our spawn.
So better, I'm not sure. Worse, definitely not.
Edit: Have played maybe a dozen more matches, still have been well balanced matches, no disconnects or players not doing their best. Been a lot of fun.
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Post by aladeen on Apr 6, 2017 22:29:18 GMT -5
Mm is so strange today seeing bots from gold to champion and sometimes only three bots or less on each side, let my brother play my account for a while and he's not good, i was diamond 1 and he got me to almost gold 3. Maybe that's why?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 22:44:51 GMT -5
My experience on iOS has been a little more bad than good. Lots of team tanking, just quitting out at the start. Many solo quitters on both red and blue, continuously. A steady stream of intentional tankers on red and blue. A lot of disconnects on red and blue. There's been a slight improvement since moving from diamond to expert. Still frustrating though. I won't quit ever!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 22:45:58 GMT -5
Mm is so strange today seeing bots from gold to champion and sometimes only three bots or less on each side, let my brother play my account for a while and he's not good, i was diamond 1 and he got me to almost gold 3. Maybe that's why? You probably got put in the tanker queue. That's quite a drop.
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Post by aladeen on Apr 6, 2017 22:50:37 GMT -5
Lol ok, looks like my brothers going to have use his own account from now on, I've had teams with tankers before but this short bus league is just ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 22:51:00 GMT -5
My experience on iOS has been a little more bad than good. Lots of team tanking, just quitting out at the start. Many solo quitters on both red and blue, continuously. A steady stream of intentional tankers on red and blue. A lot of disconnects on red and blue. There's been a slight improvement since moving from diamond to expert. Still frustrating though. I won't quit ever! It could be the tankers are out in force tonight. It's like a traffic jam, did you know, can be caused by one car slowing down and causing a cascade of cars behind her to slow down and eventually stop. Maybe that's what is happening, everyone is getting frustrated and it spreads throughout the system. They lose, but then they start to rage quit causing them to drop even more, causing them to take down more people with them, and the cycle repeats.
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Post by b4you on Apr 6, 2017 23:02:53 GMT -5
The game feels super stale. iOS D1. Pix needs to hurry up and release MB, WWbots, and improved Rog. I don't really care about leavers right now. I'm Ag poor and should really be G1 or D3 based on gear.
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Post by carnage on Apr 8, 2017 5:48:44 GMT -5
We already discussed about that but in my case, it's not really the quitters which are the biggest problem, but more the unbalance of the fights. It's one thing that my hangar is so-so and I face better hangar than mine in Diamond. I don't agree at all with a damage-based MM, but I deal with it. Now if at least the MM could really stick to Diamond players instead of putting me versus much higher leagues in half of my game, that would be appreciated. Example from one of my last games : One of of these things is not like the other, right ?
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Post by The VVatcher on Apr 8, 2017 6:07:29 GMT -5
I hardly notice them anymore. I'm just ambivalent towards it. But I say I get about 1:3 ratio.
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Post by [AuNv][AurS]GrainReaper on Apr 8, 2017 7:08:37 GMT -5
I think I'm in the perfect spot to meet all the tankers clubbing their way back up or that I've been getting matched up against hangars waaaaay better than mine, and it's quite often recently...... I don't know if there is a lack of players in my league (silverIII) so I get spawned as filler for higher leagues, (silver I up into gold) or more so the clubbers in my league...I'd love to level up my gear but silver is slim pickins when I am always losing.
And it doesn't help when there are tankers mixed with clubbers... Because I'm always on the wrong side of that mix.
The issue wasn't too bad in bronze where I figured tankers wanted to be, it's silver where I'm getting bashed.
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Post by [AuNv][AurS]GrainReaper on Apr 8, 2017 7:10:51 GMT -5
Welcome to Silver III......
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Post by Replicant on Apr 8, 2017 17:34:52 GMT -5
Some days I'm all "by the power of Grayskull!!!", other days I'm all "if it wasn't for those pesky kids". Thanks goodness for this foum where I can learn stuff, because "knowing is half the battle". Man that's a lot of eighties nostalgia packed into two sentences. Well played.
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Post by ewing411 on Apr 9, 2017 0:40:00 GMT -5
Diamond 2... same league as Mijapi, who knew...
My comparisons would be from six matches this month and a week or so daily gameplay from the start of last month. With the introduction of Leagues the matchmaking has improved. In the past it wasn't uncommon to see 11s and 12s, compared to my four-hanger 9/8s and 9/9s. It sucked. 11s seem more rare and 10s are the general worst.
I think the problem is my old-hanger measured against the new League System. After clawing my way past the seal clubbers this game had that golden time period with a mix of competive play and tactical free-form. Bots were purchased for fun. With limited AG/AU I still tried to be careful since purchases were going to semi-lock my hanger in place as the levels went up.
Currently the Fujin's deficits seem more punitive. Whenever my team wins I'm almost always low, when my team loses I could be anywhere on the rankings. The gut feeling is I didn't maximize my DPS options. When it was just on a score card it didn't matter, in a League System that prioritizes damage it matters a lot. I could have "good" losses in the past. Now stress over ranking means there can't be any good losses. Also seeing any friendly 1st spawn Sniper Heros causes me to flip because I know that I have to work harder on those early beacons and tank more enemy fire.
I'm trying to play a diverse hanger in a game that calls for Griffins and gold weapons. That's a bit overly simplistic but it conveys the sentiment.
I think lag along with the games meathod of determining explosive damage has my Orks and Tridents losing damage against mobile and/or far ranged players. A direct fire plasma/Zeus hanger would have been more competitive against everything except for the occasional gripe over Britbots.
As far as tanking goes I just don't know. The hope is Pix cracking down on it willl suddenly feel like the parting of a sea. That the highly competive damage-centered League environment will be more tolerable, even enjoyable. I just don't know. Gammers have been caring about stats for decades ever since we first had to use ink or crayon to fill in number grooves of those funny dice that weren't cube shaped. It was easier to not care whe the score card was about Ag rewards and epeenage. Now ranking seem more important than playing, that winning seems more important than enjoying the fight. If there had been Seal Clubbing and a league system at the same time I would have ditched this game last year.
Also a very odd thing has been going on with damage. Even though match maker has brought me more in line with levels I'm sometimes encountering people dishing out impossible damage. Things are often murky so it can easily be combined damage. But there are times after a match I check someone's hanger and cannot figure out how they out DPSed or burst damaged me that hard.
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Post by ds on Apr 9, 2017 0:55:39 GMT -5
Individual Tankers have gone down definitely but squad tanking is still rampant
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Post by ds on Apr 9, 2017 0:59:34 GMT -5
I am new to the forum. I am a casual player on ios and i run into many squads of gareth and lanclots with tarans, what i call my death squads. Never have a chance. Am I doing something wrong? 69 year old retiree?
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Post by [AuNv][AurS]GrainReaper on Apr 9, 2017 6:53:33 GMT -5
I am new to the forum. I am a casual player on ios and i run into many squads of gareth and lanclots with tarans, what i call my death squads. Never have a chance. Am I doing something wrong? 69 year old retiree? I run into your death squads quite often, nothing you are doing other than the other players dropping leagues to club us for easy gold and silver. The good news is....... well I don't know what the good news is.
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Post by Шɑɡɡɪή on Apr 9, 2017 7:40:12 GMT -5
I am new to the forum. I am a casual player on ios and i run into many squads of gareth and lanclots with tarans, what i call my death squads. Never have a chance. Am I doing something wrong? 69 year old retiree? . Hey, welcome to the forum. Nice to see another "young guy" here (66 years young here) ! I've found a ton of super useful stuff on this board. I know what you mean about running into death squads. You're not doing anything wrong. They seem to run in spurts and I've noticed it more often in the early hours of the morning. They make it a real challenge when you're trying to complete a daily task. Fun time to roll out my Gareth and see if I can kite one or two of them away from their tribe....... .
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Post by ds on Apr 9, 2017 7:40:40 GMT -5
Roger that. Thanks for the reply.
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Post by ds on Apr 9, 2017 7:43:19 GMT -5
Thanks "young guy". ?
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Post by [AuNv][AurS]GrainReaper on Apr 9, 2017 8:00:53 GMT -5
I am new to the forum. I am a casual player on ios and i run into many squads of gareth and lanclots with tarans, what i call my death squads. Never have a chance. Am I doing something wrong? 69 year old retiree? . Hey, welcome to the forum. Nice to see another "young guy" here (66 years young here) ! I've found a ton of super useful stuff on this board. I know what you mean about running into death squads. You're not doing anything wrong. They seem to run in spurts and I've noticed it more often in the early hours of the morning. They make it a real challenge when you're trying to complete a daily task. Fun time to roll out my Gareth and see if I can kite one or two of them away from their tribe....... . PowerWagon knows what he's talking about most of the time, when he doesn't know what he is talking about, his avatar is at least fun to watch! I've just completed my morning ritual of a stack of losses at the hands of the squads, I'm wondering how I can lose 12 league points when I'm top of my losing team, I thought it was -0 points for top loser, and -16 for bottom of the barrel loser. (I could be way off on that) If I play 12 games today it feels like I drop more league points than I gain anymore, even though my win/loss ratio overall is 54%+ wins... Damn MM
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Post by bmc on Apr 25, 2017 1:54:32 GMT -5
Some days I'm all "by the power of Grayskull!!!", other days I'm all "if it wasn't for those pesky kids". Thanks goodness for this foum where I can learn stuff, because "knowing is half the battle". Man that's a lot of eighties nostalgia packed into two sentences. Well played. Mondo thanks dude, your compliment is most bodacious. Stay radical.
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