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Post by dam on Nov 12, 2016 19:39:56 GMT -5
Hello, what's the armor/weapon level for light robot?
I've read that a 2/7 gepard is high bronze, does it mean that a lvl 2 gepard with 7/7/6 weapon is medium bronze?
I'm interested to know how to upgrade my lvl 2 cossacks and my lvl 2 gepard. I use taran for Cossack and magnum for Gepard.
Thank you!
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 12, 2016 20:32:16 GMT -5
Low bronze is 4/6 lights, high bronze is 4/9 lights. That's it.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 13, 2016 8:00:27 GMT -5
If stop camping(!) didn't answer your question, you can check the matchmaking article in the wiki to see how each bot measures up to the tier system. The "line" for bronze is M 4/6 or L 4/9, so anything below will fall into bronze.
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Post by Zhøu™ on Nov 13, 2016 22:06:09 GMT -5
High bronze for Medium Bots (non-WSP) is lvl4 bots with lvl6 weapons as limit.
So lvl4 light bot with lvl6 weapons will probably still be in mid-bronze. As long as you don't see the Yamantau map, you're lower than High Bronze.
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Post by dam on Nov 14, 2016 16:15:29 GMT -5
Thanks for your answer but I'm not fully satisfied ahah High bronze is too high for me, what's the lvl of copper? What's 2/5? If I have 4/9 is high bronze but if I have 4/9,9,8? Ty
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 14, 2016 17:43:31 GMT -5
Copper isn't a thing, the only thing below bronze is rookie, which you can't be in if you're over pilot lv 4.
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Post by dam on Nov 16, 2016 3:38:47 GMT -5
Gepard: Low bronze: 4 / 6-6-6 High Bronze: 4 / 9-9-9 But if I want a lvl 2 gepard and not lvl 4? Can I have higher weapon lvl? Another similar thread: warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:92753?useskin=oasis 2/9-9-9 or 4/8-8-8 for high bronze, is it right? And for low bronze? Sorry, it's so confusing...
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 16, 2016 8:37:24 GMT -5
Might need to check me up on the math, but if L 4/6 is your implied line for low bronze, L (4-2/6+(2/2))=L 2/7.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 16, 2016 9:19:33 GMT -5
Low bronze is 4/6 lights, high bronze is 4/9 lights. That's it. Will a high win rate push you occasionally into lower silver with 4/9 lights?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 16, 2016 9:26:21 GMT -5
Low bronze is 4/6 lights, high bronze is 4/9 lights. That's it. Will a high win rate push you occasionally into lower silver with 4/9 lights? I don't believe winrate has much to do with matchmaking at all really... from what I have seen, even 100% winrates do not push you up in tiers. Sure you might see a dude moved down a tier every now and then, but they don't make for much competition most of the time anyway.
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Post by WorstAimEver on Nov 18, 2016 18:14:23 GMT -5
Just want to clear a bit of misinformation I see propagated here about low Bronze being 4/6. While it's true that 4/6 is indeed low Bronze, you can wring a little more power out of your weapons without ever seeing Yamantau. BUT there are conditions that go along with this. I'll use my Gepard setup since that's what I have experience with, so I can't say for certain this applies across the board to all light bots. This comes from my own experience over the course of somewhere between 200-300 games, so take it with a grain of salt.
You can actually run 4/6.67 and still remain low Bronze, but there are certain conditions for the weapon levels: 1. No single weapon level can be 10+ (self explanatory, you'll get Yamantau if you run a single level 10 EPMag or Pinata -- haven't tried other weapons though) 2. No two weapon levels combined can be 16+ (9/6/5 is fine, but 9/8/3 will have you seeing Yamantau)
Thus, while there are several different weapon level combinations that will yield an average of 6.67, not all combinations will keep you in low Bronze. And bot level seems to operate independent of weapon level to a certain degree. What I mean by that is that you can't run a level 1 Gep with 7/7/7 weapons (305 MM weight) and still stay low Bronze. The 7.00 average weapon level alone will have you seeing Yam, even though your total MM weight is actually lower than a level 4 Gep with 7/7/6 weapons (351.8 MM weight), which will not see Yam, even with a 10% BR modifier.
TL;DR: 4/6.66 is the actual limit of low Bronze -- but there are conditions.
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Post by dam on Nov 18, 2016 19:24:03 GMT -5
Thanks a lot! I will upgrade my gepards to lvl 4 and my magnum to 7-7-6, low bronze I'm coming
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Post by bryndamor on Nov 21, 2016 13:09:59 GMT -5
I agree w. WorstAimEver re low bronze. I thought that there would be more wiggle room for weapon level w. lower bot level but there was not.
WorstAimEver, do you have a gep limit for high bronze and.or low silver perchance?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 21, 2016 19:16:36 GMT -5
I agree w. WorstAimEver re low bronze. I thought that there would be more wiggle room for weapon level w. lower bot level but there was not. WorstAimEver, do you have a gep limit for high bronze and.or low silver perchance? 4/9 high bronze, 4/12 low silver.
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Post by bryndamor on Nov 22, 2016 3:50:55 GMT -5
I agree w. WorstAimEver re low bronze. I thought that there would be more wiggle room for weapon level w. lower bot level but there was not. WorstAimEver, do you have a gep limit for high bronze and.or low silver perchance? 4/9 high bronze, 4/12 low silver. so... would that mean 4/9.66 is still the limit for high bronze, or just 4/9,9,9?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 22, 2016 4:28:32 GMT -5
oh I don't know.. levelling weapons to absolute maximums is too much of a hassle. I wouldn't advise going to absolute maximum for any tier anyway, as you are more likely to be bumped into the next tier more often.
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Post by SuperHero on Nov 28, 2016 4:57:37 GMT -5
there is no hard ceiling. so please don't complain if you still find yourself in the tier above if the MM cant find enough players for that tier...
And frankly, I'm quite disturbed that you need to put so much effort to find the LOW bronze ceiling considering you even have a Gepard.
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Post by bryndamor on Dec 12, 2016 5:13:06 GMT -5
there is no hard ceiling. so please don't complain if you still find yourself in the tier above if the MM cant find enough players for that tier... And frankly, I'm quite disturbed that you need to put so much effort to find the LOW bronze ceiling considering you even have a Gepard. I haven't been on the forums for weeks, but I see that I was replied to so... It's called 'best in class' or bic in different game forums. For your specific role or arena of competition, the min-max players look for bic to best compete. In World of Warcraft, for example, certain generic trinkets or jewelry items would be bic or also 'bis' (best in slot) for certain classes. In WoW battlegrounds, there were also certain tiers so players could play vs other players but not be too outclassed simply because they weren't leveled all the way... like in this game. I have not played the game long enough to have level 12 bots and weapons -- you build towards that, and it takes a lot of time and resources. In the meantime, to gather said resources, you need to win... unless you happen to be the sort of player that just plunks down A LOT of cash to compensate. I am not that kind of player -- it shouldn't be about how much cash you are willing to pay to be able to compete, in my opinion, but some people think otherwise -- more power to them if that floats their boat, and I'm sure that I do have to compete against them. So, a _good_ player will often feel out/research where the division lines are so they can equip themselves to compete and win. Yes, skill is an offset to needing to be properly equipped, unless you happen to be thrown in vs another player or players that are just as skilled AND equipped. Yes, its known that MM will bend and blend bot weights to put matches together, but MM tries to keep bots within weight classes. There is nothing wrong w/ trying figure out where those lines are so you don't get your arse repeatedly beaten, unless that's something you like but I find it to be a waste of my time. I earned the gepards that I have from putting in time playing and winning, and slowly improving my hangar. There is nothing stopping others from progressing thoughtfully and carefully as well. I plan on moving from tier-top to tier-top and upgrade weapons in my inventory until I'm at least close. Having gepards doesn't guarantee winning. From reading forums, I understand that at higher tiers, light bots have a harder time competing against the upgraded medium and heavy bots, so yes, I will stay in LOW bronze until my weapons are upgraded to be able to move into high bronze, then sit there a bit while I upgrade weapons to low silver, etc for high silver, then low gold. I figure that I will have to sit in low or high silver a while while I save up for rhinos and such.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 7:50:45 GMT -5
Holy moly, what are you even trying to help this wannabe clubber? If hes so miserable that he wants to keep his Gep in low bronze (a place where a Gep is simply asocial) he should search the info by himself.
Its not even high numbers. Fingers on both hands should suffice...-.-*
Btw all this info is potentially obsolete when the MM update comes in january.
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