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Post by Poopface on Aug 16, 2020 7:17:23 GMT -5
So I got fed up with the MM yesterday and submitted a ticket telling them I wasn't impressed. They gave me a survey to fill out. They also said that if you want to do one, submit a ticket to request your own link for feedback. The initial bit is about the new update, but there is a nice empty form at the end where you can give your general thoughts about the game.
Will it do anything to change the course of development? Extremely doubtful, but on the other hand they definitely won't do anything if people don't share their opinions.
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Post by runamok on Aug 16, 2020 8:31:58 GMT -5
Pointless. It’s just a feel good mechanic to keep players around. On a side note, it’s good to see you can attach screenshots again. You couldn’t do that for ages on iOS.
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Post by nix on Aug 16, 2020 9:32:08 GMT -5
Well I hope they’ll listen, but tbh I doubt it.
For the first time ever, I agree with the people saying that the game is dying. Piss poor matchmaking game after game for the past 6 months is the cause of it imo.
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Post by [CK]erazor on Aug 16, 2020 9:46:49 GMT -5
Well I hope theyâll listen, but tbh I doubt it. For the first time ever, I agree with the people saying that the game is dying. Piss poor matchmaking game after game for the past 6 months is the cause of it imo. They won't. Why would they listen now? They could have been listening four years ago.
War Robots could be e-sports like LOL, CS, PUBG and other games. War Robots could have international events like other games, prices in the some hundred thousand or one million bucks range, like other games. IF THE 「fluffernutter」ING GAMEPLAY WAS BALANCED.
Pixonic never understood the potential of this game. Never. They just did not get it. They still don't get it.
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Post by nix on Aug 16, 2020 10:54:08 GMT -5
Well I hope theyâ??ll listen, but tbh I doubt it. For the first time ever, I agree with the people saying that the game is dying. Piss poor matchmaking game after game for the past 6 months is the cause of it imo. They won't. Why would they listen now? They could have been listening four years ago.
War Robots could be e-sports like LOL, CS, PUBG and other games. War Robots could have international events like other games, prices in the some hundred thousand or one million bucks range, like other games. IF THE ?fluffernutter?ING GAMEPLAY WAS BALANCED.
Pixonic never understood the potential of this game. Never. They just did not get it. They still don't get it.
nix Sorry for yelling at you. Well I agree with you. Where I think maybe we don’t entirely agree, is that I can sort of see the rationale for their exorbitant monetization of the game (not that I think it’s a good strategy, just saying that after working in corporate for a decade, I understand a bit of how these decisions are made) but the really dumb thing now is that they are failing to provide entertaining matches for their paying customers by mixing 4-bot level 7-9 hangars with top meta players. It really is making solo games unplayable and they seem indifferent to the issue. Btw mods, sorry if I’m derailing the discussion, maybe this really belongs in the rants&rants section |
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Post by [CK]erazor on Aug 16, 2020 11:06:39 GMT -5
They won't. Why would they listen now? They could have been listening four years ago.
War Robots could be e-sports like LOL, CS, PUBG and other games. War Robots could have international events like other games, prices in the some hundred thousand or one million bucks range, like other games. IF THE ?fluffernutter?ING GAMEPLAY WAS BALANCED.
Pixonic never understood the potential of this game. Never. They just did not get it. They still don't get it.
nix Sorry for yelling at you. Well I agree with you. Where I think maybe we don’t entirely agree, is that I can sort of see the rationale for their exorbitant monetization of the game (not that I think it’s a good strategy, just saying that after working in corporate for a decade, I understand a bit of how these decisions are made) but the really dumb thing now is that they are failing to provide entertaining matches for their paying customers by mixing 4-bot level 7-9 hangars with top meta players. It really is making solo games unplayable and they seem indifferent to the issue. Btw mods, sorry if I’m derailing the discussion, maybe this really belongs in the rants&rants section We do indeed agree 100%. I do understand their corporate decisions 100%. I know why they're doing what they're doing.
But I also know, that there was, it's the past now, no way back for them, a different route Pixonic could have followed.
They're milking this thing till it's dead instead of milking it for years to come, but not pushing P2W or P2P too far (power cells, with the upcoming drones even more important), as they're doing since a few weeks or months now.
They pushed over the top. That's why the game will ultimately be a failure now. The players who spent like 10 bucks a months have realized, that their money won't make a difference.
@mods. If this is a rant now instead of a discussion about the current state of the game, feel free to move it to rants. A lot of us are on edge now, so yeah. I think I'm not ranting, but that's to assess for the mods.
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Post by Adazahi on Aug 16, 2020 11:48:26 GMT -5
Well I agree with you. Where I think maybe we donâ??t entirely agree, is that I can sort of see the rationale for their exorbitant monetization of the game (not that I think itâ??s a good strategy, just saying that after working in corporate for a decade, I understand a bit of how these decisions are made) but the really dumb thing now is that they are failing to provide entertaining matches for their paying customers by mixing 4-bot level 7-9 hangars with top meta players. It really is making solo games unplayable and they seem indifferent to the issue. Btw mods, sorry if Iâ??m derailing the discussion, maybe this really belongs in the rants&rants section We do indeed agree 100%. I do understand their corporate decisions 100%. I know why they're doing what they're doing.
But I also know, that there was, it's the past now, no way back for them, a different route Pixonic could have followed.
They're milking this thing till it's dead instead of milking it for years to come, but not pushing P2W or P2P too far (power cells, with the upcoming drones even more important), as they're doing since a few weeks or months now.
They pushed over the top. That's why the game will ultimately be a failure now. The players who spent like 10 bucks a months have realized, that their money won't make a difference.
@mods. If this is a rant now instead of a discussion about the current state of the game, feel free to move it to rants. A lot of us are on edge now, so yeah. I think I'm not ranting, but that's to assess for the mods.
Idk what they think they're gonna get out of milking this cow, pulverizing it, and eating its ashes. Seriously, this game has a year or two of lifespan left. I dread the day that message announcing the closure of the servers on the facebook comes out. When 1% of the playerbase is keeping the lights on at Pix HQ, you know theres a problem. What I think? Rollback all the p2w BS changes, nerf crazy ?dookie? and buff trash bots so everything is level, and then sell cosmetics. Its almost as if Pix just doesn't think that there are any companies whatsoever that make billions of ?fluffernutter?ing dollars more than than them through games that offer ZERO p2w and solely sell cosmetics. *cough* Epic Games, Activision, EA, Bungie, and Respawn *cough* Yes, some of these guys are slimy too, but their whole stupid lootbox systems don't give you an advantage. You don't need that legendary skin for your favorite hero, it won't do anything, hell, if it's flashier than the default skin it may even give you a disadvantage, but people get it because its cool! I just wish Pix had a meeting and decided "Okay, so lets just make some ?deteriorated bum-bum? amazing looking high effort bot/weapon special editions - and a lot of them. Like, seriously. For Halloween, we make the damn ares glow red, have cool animations, make the shield red, and look like a hell demon - hell, lets make its energy beams red too! This ?dookie? should put eldrich ares to shame. Give it a set of equally ?deteriorated bum-bum? special edition weapons - flamethrowers, maybe - and put them in the lootbox. Next Halloween, we make a different bot have the cool skin, and the current one gets sold in the offers section for a fraction of the price alongside its matching weapons." This whole idea of "exclusive, rare, OG, special edition" skins hooks people really damn good. Everyone wants a cool bot that only comes around once a year for a week, it generates hype, and more importantly, revenue. But nah, the p2w business model is obviously much better. What do I know, I'm a high schooler, not middle aged suit with a MBA in sales. |
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Post by linearblade on Aug 16, 2020 14:14:14 GMT -5
They won't. Why would they listen now? They could have been listening four years ago.
War Robots could be e-sports like LOL, CS, PUBG and other games. War Robots could have international events like other games, prices in the some hundred thousand or one million bucks range, like other games. IF THE ?fluffernutter?ING GAMEPLAY WAS BALANCED.
Pixonic never understood the potential of this game. Never. They just did not get it. They still don't get it.
nix Sorry for yelling at you. Well I agree with you. Where I think maybe we don’t entirely agree, is that I can sort of see the rationale for their exorbitant monetization of the game (not that I think it’s a good strategy, just saying that after working in corporate for a decade, I understand a bit of how these decisions are made) but the really dumb thing now is that they are failing to provide entertaining matches for their paying customers by mixing 4-bot level 7-9 hangars with top meta players. It really is making solo games unplayable and they seem indifferent to the issue. Btw mods, sorry if I’m derailing the discussion, maybe this really belongs in the rants&rants section Basically because robots are totally unbalanced, you get this problem. Previously you could stick them all together, because a lancelot wasn’t substantially better than a rogotka or whatever. Since robots are not separated by type “ie a heavy weight league , lightweight league etc” , when they force newbies into nightmarish champion games, they get mauled. If your team has the more brain dead randoms, your screwed. Titans also don’t help. It often comes down to how many laser mings are in play at a given time. This doesn’t happen as much in squad games . But in pub games numbers win. It’s like 3v3 in Starcraft 2. It’s not about micro, it’s about macro. If they are intent upon using the ladder system they have presently, then they should adjust the season window, or sort by wing cups instead of the reset points |
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 16, 2020 16:02:49 GMT -5
Match make by average honor. They can use the same formula they use now to get quick matches, but this would greatly improve games (IMO)
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Post by linearblade on Aug 16, 2020 17:06:19 GMT -5
Match make by average honor. They can use the same formula they use now to get quick matches, but this would greatly improve games (IMO) I thought about this and think it won’t work. Because the higher you go the lower your honor goes in theory, because matches get tougher. But it would be better than what’s there now for sure. |
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Post by CarlosDanger on Aug 16, 2020 18:47:21 GMT -5
Pix does not care about you or your gaming experience, I thought that was accepted canon.
All you are is a data point used by an algorithm designed intentionally to frustrate players into spending money. The CFO gives lectures to other gaming app companies to teach them how to do the same.
Any illusion of control you have regarding your success or failure in the game is a carefully crafted illusion. Pix actually admits this.
The only way you will find enjoyment in the game is if you treat it as a poorly designed Sim game, It is a combat game only in the same way McDonald’s is a hamburger company. McDonalds collects money from franchise’s to build a real estate empire. Corporate McDonalds has almost nothing to do with hamburgers. Pilots in war robots use combat as a platform to Sim up their bots. At the corporate level, Pixonic has almost nothing to do with combat. It is an engineered experience to generate revenue from people to Sim up their bots. The biggest changes Pixonic has made over the past four years all involve slowing down the rate of progress to INTENTIONALLY frustrate you.
War robots is NOT a combat game, It is a Sim.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 16, 2020 19:07:14 GMT -5
Match make by average honor. They can use the same formula they use now to get quick matches, but this would greatly improve games (IMO) I thought about this and think it won’t work. Because the higher you go the lower your honor goes in theory, because matches get tougher. But it would be better than what’s there now for sure. As you say anything would be better. But I mean I average probably 3000 honor (skimming thru screen shots), if they just match up with players who actually get honor rather than cups games should get more even. Additionally, they could have more people tempted to spend if the matches were like this. There’s zero incentive for me at this time, there’s no amount of money that could solve games like this  |
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Post by Garbage game on Aug 16, 2020 19:49:11 GMT -5
Poopface gets all the candy and doesn’t share. Mind you us having access to the link would just asplode their servers more and shower us in lag like a piñata full of it
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Post by Poopface on Aug 16, 2020 19:53:47 GMT -5
Poopface gets all the candy and doesn’t share. Mind you us having access to the link would just asplode their servers more and shower us in lag like a piñata full of it My OP actually had the link in there before I reread the Pixonic response which said that the link was "my" link and if others wanted to comment to submit a request for it. The response near the bottom says, "In case you would like to share the link with your friends please ask them to request their own link through our support system. In case you share the link yourself your answers may be overwritten by them."
That's what made me have to edit the OP. I missed that detail the first time around. |
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Post by linearblade on Aug 16, 2020 22:57:40 GMT -5
I thought about this and think it won’t work. Because the higher you go the lower your honor goes in theory, because matches get tougher. But it would be better than what’s there now for sure. As you say anything would be better. But I mean I average probably 3000 honor (skimming thru screen shots), if they just match up with players who actually get honor rather than cups games should get more even. Additionally, they could have more people tempted to spend if the matches were like this. There’s zero incentive for me at this time, there’s no amount of money that could solve games like this Keep in mind. We typically screen cap good games and ignite the bad ones. I’m not even sure it’s a bad thing if honor attenuates, because it *should* get harder the higher you go. It might also lead to stale games playing the same people over and over. Like champ 10 means there are literally 1000 players above you for that server (ios / Android etc) So there not really that many players. I suspect honor is the same way. Re screen cap: Yea, games like that suck. It happens every day to me over and over. |
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Post by erik1 on Aug 16, 2020 23:20:31 GMT -5
I'd love it if you could prove it to me. You'd be my new best friend.
Everyone keeps talking about Pixonic knowing nothing about making money, but are they really that in the dark? Are they really that (forgive me) incompetent? Too many people like the game. I can imagine that when worst comes to worst, when people really do stop complaining / bluffing and actually quit the game, do we think Pixonic will be caught with their pants down? How many people will never, ever play the game again even when Pixonic decides to tell us they are sorry, they will make changes and we should come back to the game?
They're making War Robots remastered, which suggests a long-term game plan. Are they really going to drop their mouths open if everyone quits in the year? You make millions of dollars through p2w, and then you make millions more dollars by bringing back players through competitive play, right? Or do you believe that once a quitter always a quitter?
Please, prove me wrong. I for one would love to see Pixonic drop their mouths open if everyone quits in a year. I would quit this game if you could prove to me that in one or two years the game servers will be shut down.
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Post by kdsteph3530 on Aug 16, 2020 23:35:38 GMT -5
yea it certainly seems like the MM has gotten worse lately. I've had more games than usual that end within 4-5m, either as wins or defeats, or games that are ruined by the presence of whales w/ max hangars from S rank clans. For reference, I run a hangar w/ 4 meta bots, and most equipment at L9-10, and only maxed two premium modules. I actually do quite well, currently averaging 2.2 mil, almost 7 kills, 1 titan kill per match, win % around 60%.
Undoubtedly, part of the reason for that is b/c I have a long standing policy of immediately quitting matches (BR) that fit any of the following criteria:
1) 100% of Yamantau, sometimes Springfield. Maps on which plasma Mings do well are dumb.
2) full squads
3) duos from top clans (on either side)
If I've been losing a bunch lately and I'm feeling pissed at the MM gods, I'll occasionally quit matches if I see even solo players from top S-clans (think Dark Elite, WE R, Godz, etc.). Apologies to the WE R and Dark Elite players I've seen on this forum. Sometimes I'll quit matches if I see the same whale from the previous match.
I play this game for my own enjoyment, and I refuse to waste my time or boosters in matches where I don't stand a chance of winning. I've been put in LPQ before, and I'll gladly play a few matches w/ my own hangar or Skirmish to get out of it to avoid playing a regular match of low quality.
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